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No, Not Those Brownies

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[Editor’s Note: Today’s entry marks the blog debut of Uni Watch intern Vince Grzegorek. Please join me in congratulating him on his fine work. — PL]

If you’ve been watching any of the Browns’ recent games, you may have noticed that many of the players were sporting sideline ponchos with the “Brownie the Elf” logo on the back.

Here at the Uni Watch Intern Department, we think they look particularly snazzy. So with Christmas fast approaching and elves holding a treasured and storied place in holiday lore, this seems like an appropriate time to take a deeper look at the history of the Brownie logo and its association with Cleveland football.

The story begins long before the Cleveland Browns adopted the little creature as their logo — long before the team even existed, in fact. “Brownies” date back to folklore, where they were elf-like creatures who helped out with household chores as long as you left them little goodies to eat (further background is available here, here, and here, and the cover illustration from a children’s tale entitled “Brownie and the Cook” can be seen here). Palmer Cox was one of the first artists to illustrate Brownie on a consistent basis in his cartoons. Here’s an example from an 1896 comic he produced for the Philadelphia Inquirer. Cox is also credited with being one of the first to realize the Brownies’ immense commercial appeal. He began drawing and using the elves in advertising work that he produced for different companies, including Kodak, Luden’s, and Brownie soda.

All of which brings us, finally, to the Cleveland Browns.

The association of the elf and the gridiron Browns begins in the late 1940s with Arthur McBride, who was the team’s owner at the time. During a string of four incredibly successful seasons from 1946-49 (each of which resulted in an All American Football Conference championship), McBride sought to make his team more recognizable and marketable with music, parades, marching bands, and so on. He also asked for submissions for mascot logos, and after careful consideration chose Brownie as the new face of the team.

Brownie got an update around 1950 and looked like this until 1969. Alternate logos included an orange elf from 1950-69, and a halfback elf from 1960-69. After the Browns won the NFL title in 1964 (yes, it was that long ago, Cleveland fans), Brownie was often depicted with a crown signifying the team’s achievement.

Even representatives from the Cleveland Browns are befuddled as to the exact origin, date, and key figures in the creation of the logo (which made its first appearance in an ad for tickets to the 1946 opening game against the Miami Seahawks). However, many of the earliest versions of the elf are credited to Dick Dugan, who became the sports cartoonist for the Cleveland Plain Dealer and often depicted Brownie in battle against the team’s opponents, like the Broncos and Redskins (although the scenarios he sketched took on a sort of gallows humor when the Browns stunk).

Cleveland fans loved the athletically inclined little creature with pointed shoes, whose image could be seen adorning various publications and advertisements (from both the team and the public), such as in this 1961 Browns schedule, and the 1949 Media Guide.

So, what do you do with a logo that the fans love?

Well, if you’re Art Modell, you get rid of it. Apparently, Modell, who became the team’s owner in 1961, was completely embarrassed by the elf and hated it so much that in the mid-1960s he began to phase it out. Yes, in addition to taking the team from Cleveland, Modell also was responsible for putting the lovable Brownie on the unemployment line.

Thankfully, when the Browns were resurrected in 1999, Brownie got a new lease on life. New owner Randy Lerner has made a big push to use the elf logo more and more for the organization. “I think it’s a great anchor for our tradition and for the look and feel of the Browns,” he has said. “But I also understand that there is something to freshening up the act, so I think that’s a balancing act we’re having right now.”

As you can see from the team’s sideline ponchos, the organization is using Brownie in more ways than just for merchandise sales (although it’s clearly evident from the hats and shirts and fleeces that there is a definite push in that direction too). In fact, the Browns have used the elf logo on the 2006 Training Camp Patch celebrating the franchise’s 60th anniversary, and a throwback elf logo appears on the front of their 2006 Media Guide (here’s a close-up view). Fans have embraced Brownie, too — one guy even put the elf on his RV, and another has gotten a more permanent reminder of his allegiances.

As many of you may have noticed in yesterday’s comment section, Ohio State QB Troy Smith was even seen reppin’ an elf throwback jacket at Tuesday night’s OSU basketball game.

While Brownie’s revival is welcome news, there’s one place that the elf should never appear (and thankfully, Lerner agrees). Paul Brown actually proposed this idea in 1953, but dismissed the idea after seeing mock-ups created by then trainer Leo Murphy. Good thing too, because the only thing that should ever be added to the team’s helmets are uniform numbers, like the ones the team wore with for its recent throwback game against the Bengals.

We’re generally pleased with Brownie’s reappearance. It adds a great traditional aspect to the team’s imagery, which meshes nicely with the more recent addition of the “Dawg” logo (but please, let’s not have them mesh like this or this, ideas that belong in the same graveyard as this one).

Three other Brownie items of note:

• Brownie was also pressed into mascot duty by the St. Louis Browns baseball team just prior to their move to Baltimore (where they became the Orioles). During this brief run, Brownie appeared on the team’s jersey sleeve, on the cover of the team’s 1952 schedule, and even on the door to owner Bill Veeck’s office.

• “Elf Brownie” is also the name of a typeface.

• Need a last-minute Christmas gift? Live near northeastern Ohio? You can get plenty of Brownie-related merchandise at the GPS Gift Gallery in Rocky River, Ohio, the self-proclaimed “Home of the Brownie Elf.”

Meanwhile, as far as the logos and designs of sideline ponchos go, the Uni Watch Intern Department and a group of elves will be working earnestly on this topic in the coming weeks, so stay tuned.

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    Well done, Vince!

    I love the Brownie logo. I ALMOST wish I could sport one in public, but as a Steeler fan, that’s just not possible.

    In light of the uproar over the Wisconsin logo, a school in the New Orleans area had better hope that the Tar Heels don’t find out about the logo they’ve been using.

    link

    Nice Job. I’m a Redskins fan, but love the throwback jacket Troy Smith is wearing…I’d wear that anyday!

    I love the return of traditional sideline ponchos, and the Brownie logo is a great symbol. Lots of history.

    The Cleveland Browns have done a great service to all of competative sports by returing to their roots…such tradition and history in seeing “Brownie” returned to the sidelines!!! If only the rest of the NFL would pay homage to their past and return to “classic” uniforms, and get rid of the “modern” crap that I see in NFL games…(Vikings, Cardinals, Broncos, Patriots, Eagles, Rams, Seahawks, any of the newer teams…are you listneing???)

    Great site, as always, and a Merry Christmas to my fellow Uniform Fanatics in cyberspace!!!

    Not bad for your first post, Intern. Keep up the good work, and maybe Paul will let you inform us some more.

    Great work, Vince. :) I actually found the hsitory lesson fascinating, and I don’t even like Cleveland. (I’m a die-hard Steelers fan, so while I will eat brownies, I will not wear them!)

    I do hope they never put the elf on the helmet though. That would put the Browns at an unfair advantage, as they could easily score while the other teams were laughing at them!

    GREAT work, Vince! Maybe we’ll bump into you with the other 20,000 or so who actually make it down this Sunday.

    HERE WE GO BROWNIES, HERE WE GO! WOOF! WOOF!

    Nice job Vince. Now all we have to do is finagle discounts at GPS Gift Gallery for all the free publicity. Those cornhole sets they have are pretty expensive.

    Also, alums of the west side all-boys Catholic high schools will be happy to know they have plenty of link and St. Ignatius gear.

    Nice one Vince. The Brownie is one of those things, that growing up in Cleveland I always wondered about and never sat down to research it.

    I will go on record and state that I absolutely hate the dog logo. I was so glad that they don’t have them in the endzones anymore. (related note: how great do the script logos look in the endzones? I hope they stick with those)

    This is all coming from someone that hasnt cared about the NFL since the Browns bolted for Baltimore, but I will always love those orange and brown unis.

    An interesting subject, and well written. Thanks for the information. And thanks to Paul for putting himself at risk to be link. I hope to hear more from the Intern Department soon!

    Browns alternate all-brown pants (see this year’s Madden alternate uni which is baed on NFL uniform catalog) have Brownie Elf on each hip. . . .although the team isn’t planning on wearing them.

    I gotta say, I really don’t like that dog logo all that much. Give that one up and bring back the Brownie full time. What does the dog have to do with the Browns anyway? Doesn’t make all that much sense.

    Good job Vince.

    With all the Iverson footage being shown over the past few weeks, I was reminded of how bad some of the Sixers unis have been over the past 15 years. The exception was the kit from 1994-97 link. The white home unis (not shown) looked really sharp.

    I never got why they went away from these after such a short time.

    Very solid first post…good history on the elves and their connection

    I’m actually surpised how many people don’t like the dog logo…isn’t it used all over in Cleveland?

    NOW GO GET ME SOME COFFEE INTERN!!!!!

    Excellent job. I always liked Brownie. I always thought the baseball team used him first; never realized it was the other way around. Excellent history lesson!

    [quote comment=”31926″]Good job Vince.

    With all the Iverson footage being shown over the past few weeks, I was reminded of how bad some of the Sixers unis have been over the past 15 years. The exception was the kit from 1994-97 link. The white home unis (not shown) looked really sharp.

    I never got why they went away from these after such a short time.[/quote]

    link and link are my favorite Sixers unis

    [quote comment=”31917″]I will go on record and state that I absolutely hate the dog logo. [/quote]

    I agree wholeheartedly. The logo was nothing more than a bullshit way to capitalize on the new, about-as-rowdy-as-the-doctor’s-office “Dawg Pound.” While the dog logo linked to by Vince wasn’t that bad, the first “Dawg Pound” logo was absolutely link. As was the link.

    The marketing team was trying way too hard to find a logo. Thankfully, they went back to the Brownie.

    As you can see from the team’s sideline ponchos….

    Are those Sears ponchos or are they Mexican ponchos?

    [quote comment=”31924″]Am I the only one that thinks that elf looks incredibly stupid.

    The elf needs work.[/quote]
    I agree.

    I love the Brownie logo. I ALMOST wish I could sport one in public, but as a Steeler fan, that’s just not possible.

    I wholeheartedly concur with this sentiment. I saw that t-shirt, and thought about it for just a second… Old football logos are often great, including the old Steelers logo of the steelworker punting. Nice stuff.

    I know you’re a Browns fan, but I have to use the Colts reference because it’s appropriate. If Paul is our Peyton Manning, nice to see that Vince is his Marvin Harrison – the guy he can faithfully throw it to knowing that the ball won’t be dropped. Excellent work Vince. As someone who has been to Cleveland on business a few times, I have always enjoyed my experiences there. I have seen the new stadium (during off season) and it really is nice. I like Brownie as a logo – but I agree not to put him on the helmets. That would be like Notre Dame putting the pugilistic leprechaun on the helmets.

    (Minna – pugilistic is for your vocabulary builder today!!)

    [quote comment=”31921″]Browns alternate all-brown pants (see this year’s Madden alternate uni which is baed on NFL uniform catalog) have Brownie Elf on each hip.[/quote]

    No they don’t. Maybe they do in Madden, but not in the link.

    [quote comment=”31908″]The Cleveland Browns have done a great service to all of competative sports by returing to their roots…such tradition and history in seeing “Brownie” returned to the sidelines!!! If only the rest of the NFL would pay homage to their past and return to “classic” uniforms, and get rid of the “modern” crap that I see in NFL games…(Vikings, Cardinals, Broncos, Patriots, Eagles, Rams, Seahawks, any of the newer teams…are you listneing???)[/quote]

    I wholeheartedly agree.

    Awesome job, Vince. Long live Brownie.

    I love the Browns, they ain’t my favorite, but I love’em. They got a swift kick in the nuts when buddy moved them out of town to Baltimore (which by the way, should’ve been named different than the Ravens, I would’ve picked the Stallions, just cause of the old Baltimore Colts). But you don’t just move a tradition based team, in pretty well where football is a religion. Depressingly, doesn’t look too good for another town based on hockey tradition, with #66 making the linka legendary team in the NHL.

    Not to get off track from the great Brownie story, but there was some interesting NHL equipment info in last night’s Red Wings/Blue Jackets game.

    Columbus goalie Fredrik Norrena started the game with link stick. Notice the blue butt end (the wad of tape at the top of the stick). This picture is from the Dec 18th game, I can’t find one from the 20th.

    He was then told to switch to link, the TSN broadcast explained that the rules stipulate that a goaltender can only have a white butt on his stick. To avoid any confusion for the goal judge of any black circular object that may enter the net.

    Nice job!

    Although the title reminded me of an unfortunate incident involving those brownies, the Dead, and an added ingredient at Bonnaroo a few years ago…

    [quote comment=”31949″]I love the Browns, they ain’t my favorite, but I love’em. They got a swift kick in the nuts when buddy moved them out of town to Baltimore (which by the way, should’ve been named different than the Ravens, I would’ve picked the Stallions, just cause of the old Baltimore Colts). But you don’t just move a tradition based team, in pretty well where football is a religion. Depressingly, doesn’t look too good for another town based on hockey tradition, with #66 making the link a legendary team in the NHL.[/quote]

    The “Baltimore Stallions” name is owned by the CFL’s Montreal Alouettes. The CFL had a huge battle with the Indianapolis Colts over being called the Baltimore Colts when the CFL set up shop in Baltimore. It was settled when the owners of the Baltimore CFL franchise backed off the “Colts” name and went to the Stallions. Years later, the Stallions would leave town and move to Montreal where they became the Alouettes.

    As for the Penguins, nothing is known about their future for another 4-6 weeks. The Island of Capri can file an appeal. I wouldn’t write off the NHL in Pittsburgh yet. I have a feeling that Bettman and Cuban/Marino may end up with a deal.

    A post from late yesterday mentioned the facemasks in this photo: link

    The facemasks are impressive. Note that there are two different types, plus a goalie mask. But there are also many other items of interest in the picture.

    1) When I first saw it, I wondered why the US Women’s team was playing a team from “McDonalds.” Talk about logo creep! You have to look carefully to see that it is the Japan national team. The Japanese flag is clearly secondary to the advertisement and is about the same size as the uni manufacturer logo.

    2) Note the numbers on the shorts/skirts of the teams.

    3) Armbands around biceps.

    4) Some of the women are wearing earrings and/or bracelets.

    Much of this is clearer in the two page spread in the magazine.

    [quote comment=”31950″]
    Columbus goalie Fredrik Norrena started the game with link stick. Notice the blue butt end (the wad of tape at the top of the stick). This picture is from the Dec 18th game, I can’t find one from the 20th.

    He was then told to switch to link, the TSN broadcast explained that the rules stipulate that a goaltender can only have a white butt on his stick. To avoid any confusion for the goal judge of any black circular object that may enter the net.[/quote]

    Good call on that, Kim. I watched that game last night, and here is the wording of the rule:

    Rule 19 – Sticks

    a) The sticks shall be made of wood or other material approved by the Rules Committee, and must not have any projections. Adhesive tape of any color may be wrapped around the stick at any place for the purpose of reinforcement or to improve control of the puck. In the case of a goalkeeper’s stick, there shall be a knob of white tape or some other protective material approved by the League. This knob must not be less than one-half inch (1/2″) thick at the top of the shaft.
    Failure to comply with this provision of the Rule will result in the goalkeeper’s stick being deemed unfit for play. The goalkeeper’s stick must be changed without the application of a minor penalty.”

    I assume that Norrena hadn’t got league approval for the blue tape, thus forcing the officials to make him switch sticks.

    [quote comment=”31953″][quote comment=”31949″]I love the Browns, they ain’t my favorite, but I love’em. They got a swift kick in the nuts when buddy moved them out of town to Baltimore (which by the way, should’ve been named different than the Ravens, I would’ve picked the Stallions, just cause of the old Baltimore Colts). But you don’t just move a tradition based team, in pretty well where football is a religion. Depressingly, doesn’t look too good for another town based on hockey tradition, with #66 making the link a legendary team in the NHL.[/quote]

    The “Baltimore Stallions” name is owned by the CFL’s Montreal Alouettes. The CFL had a huge battle with the Indianapolis Colts over being called the Baltimore Colts when the CFL set up shop in Baltimore. It was settled when the owners of the Baltimore CFL franchise backed off the “Colts” name and went to the Stallions. Years later, the Stallions would leave town and move to Montreal where they became the Alouettes.

    As for the Penguins, nothing is known about their future for another 4-6 weeks. The Island of Capri can file an appeal. I wouldn’t write off the NHL in Pittsburgh yet. I have a feeling that Bettman and Cuban/Marino may end up with a deal.[/quote]

    Let’s just say the Pens are done in Pittsburgh (hypothetically of course)…where are they moving to? I keep hearing Kansas City and Houston…with Las Vegas as a long shot. Teebz, and other puckheads, give me your ideal team names for all those locations.

    Kansas City – got to go back to tradition and use Scouts, but with the Native American inference, I doubt they’d do that.

    Houston – If it weren’t for Edmonton, I’d go with Oilers…but that ain’t happening either. I have a tough time with Houston

    Las Vegas – I’d go with the High Rollers – but I’m an idiot.

    Hey all-
    Thanks for all the well wishes. I really appreciate it (and thanks to Paul for giving me the chance to write for the blog.)

    Some notes…
    1. I read on a message board somewhere that the Browns actually petitioned the NFL to create brown pants with the elf logo on each hip, but after Randy Lerner saw the mock-up he didn’t like it and ditched the idea (much like Paul Brown ditching the helmet idea.) However, that is all by way of hearsay.

    2. The dog logo isn’t bad, but I wish they would have left it for the fans who showed up dressed like dogs and barked in the stands instead of making it an official alternate logo for the organization. Should have stayed a nickname in my opinion.

    3. The updated dog logo (done in 2002) was actually designed by Paul’s friend Todd Radom who used his own bulldog as a model. There’s a Uni Watch interview with Todd in the espn archives.

    4. The old cartoons were perhaps the most interesting thing for me to look through.

    Great work. I feel the pain of the Steeler Fan in distress about actually liking a product of the city by the lake. However, the Steelers had a logo of a steel worker punting a ball on a beam, before they went to the current SteelMark logo with the hypocycloids.

    Teebz, you have an immeasurable wealth of knowledge. Seriously. I am constantly amazed.

    Anyway, I hope you’re right about the Penguins staying in Pittsburgh. If they move, I will be severely bothered. I’m tired of franchises moving.

    Also, on a different subject, this talk of Dawgs reminded me that I forgot to post the photo of Chelsea’s link. I thought it was actually kind of a fun idea.

    But it’s only recently that Chelsea has started calling its teams “Dawgs” and “Bulldawgs,” and I don’t really care for it.

    When Cleveland got the Browns back in ’99, the league supposedly designed a few different sets of new uniforms for them. The Browns of course said no to all and went with the traditional look.
    Does anyone have any info or pics of what those “other” uniforms looked like?

    [quote comment=”31953″]As for the Penguins, nothing is known about their future for another 4-6 weeks. The Island of Capri can file an appeal. I wouldn’t write off the NHL in Pittsburgh yet. I have a feeling that Bettman and Cuban/Marino may end up with a deal.[/quote]

    The Penguins sadly are now done in Pittsburgh, I have zero faith in any “Plan B’ put together by the crooked politicians. The Pirates got their new stadium even though they have no intention of ever being competitive ever again and the Steelers, who could have paid for their own new stadium and didn’t even need one, got their’s, so the Pens get screwed and the only team I care about in this crappy town is now going to leave, nuts.

    [quote comment=”31955″][quote comment=”31950″]
    Columbus goalie Fredrik Norrena started the game with link stick. Notice the blue butt end (the wad of tape at the top of the stick). This picture is from the Dec 18th game, I can’t find one from the 20th.

    He was then told to switch to link, the TSN broadcast explained that the rules stipulate that a goaltender can only have a white butt on his stick. To avoid any confusion for the goal judge of any black circular object that may enter the net.[/quote]

    Good call on that, Kim. I watched that game last night, and here is the wording of the rule:

    Rule 19 – Sticks

    a) The sticks shall be made of wood or other material approved by the Rules Committee, and must not have any projections. Adhesive tape of any color may be wrapped around the stick at any place for the purpose of reinforcement or to improve control of the puck. In the case of a goalkeeper’s stick, there shall be a knob of white tape or some other protective material approved by the League. This knob must not be less than one-half inch (1/2″) thick at the top of the shaft.
    Failure to comply with this provision of the Rule will result in the goalkeeper’s stick being deemed unfit for play. The goalkeeper’s stick must be changed without the application of a minor penalty.”

    I assume that Norrena hadn’t got league approval for the blue tape, thus forcing the officials to make him switch sticks.[/quote]

    Something like that is rarely noticed by the officials, it’s usually called to thier attention.

    I’d bet the Wings mentioned it at some point. Especially since they had played just two days before, and were likely looking at game video.

    [quote comment=”31959″]
    Let’s just say the Pens are done in Pittsburgh (hypothetically of course)…where are they moving to? I keep hearing Kansas City and Houston…with Las Vegas as a long shot. Teebz, and other puckheads, give me your ideal team names for all those locations.

    Kansas City – got to go back to tradition and use Scouts, but with the Native American inference, I doubt they’d do that.

    Houston – If it weren’t for Edmonton, I’d go with Oilers…but that ain’t happening either. I have a tough time with Houston

    Las Vegas – I’d go with the High Rollers – but I’m an idiot.[/quote]

    Las Vegas didn’t work for the IHL, and it certainly wouldn’t work for an NHL team, so I’m not even considering it. People don’t go to Las Vegas to watch a hockey game, and there are strict rules on gambling on LV-based teams. Las Vegas is a bad idea.

    Houston has a long tradition of hockey thanks to their WHA days as the Aeros. The IHL and AHL have come along as picked up the city of Houston, and even expanded the market with teams in Dallas (Stars), San Antonio (Rampage – AHL), Fort Worth (Brahmas – CHL, who have suspended operations this season), and a pile of other teams. Another NHL team in Texas isn’t a good idea, especially when it comes to dealing with Tom Hicks.

    If you move Pittsburgh to Kansas City, you have to go to the name of Scouts. If they have the Chiefs, they can have the Scouts. Kansas City is practically chomping at the bit to get a team due to their new arena. The problem is that one of Nashville or Columbus then has to move to the Eastern Conference, and there has to be juggling thanks to Pittsburgh’s Atlantic division placement. Nashville could work as an Southeast division team, and move Washington to the Atlantic division, but shuffling teams is bad for business with their current scheduling system.

    Honestly, leaving the team in Pittsburgh is good for Pittsburgh, good for the NHL, and good for hockey in general. Pittsburgh has great rivalries with Washington, New Jersey, Philly, NYR, and the NYI. Trying to develop a rivalry between Dallas-Kansas City or KC-St. Louis would take years to do.

    [quote comment=”31968″]
    Something like that is rarely noticed by the officials, it’s usually called to thier attention.

    I’d bet the Wings mentioned it at some point. Especially since they had played just two days before, and were likely looking at game video.[/quote]

    That may be the case. Scotty Bowman was famous for noticing little things to throw a player off. Mike Babcock is the same style of coach. I wouldn’t doubt that he noticed it on game film. And clearly, it worked in throwing Norrena off his game. :o)

    [quote comment=”31939″][quote comment=”31921″]Browns alternate all-brown pants (see this year’s Madden alternate uni which is baed on NFL uniform catalog) have Brownie Elf on each hip.[/quote]

    No they don’t. Maybe they do in Madden, but not in the link.[/quote]

    Righto. . . but per my inside source, the Brownie Elf was going to be handstitched on each hip.

    Awsome Job Vince!!! It sounds like you have been doing this for awhile. Even though I am a Steelers fan I can still appreciate the history of one of our rivals. I am definitally looking foward to another article from the uniwatch intern department.

    if the Penguins move to Houston take the AHL name of the Aeros…
    hopefully they will stay in Pittsburgh though…

    Vince,

    Great job! Of course, that is to be expected – you are a Clevelander, and Clevelanders are good at everything… except professional sports.

    I too wish the “Dawg” logo would go away. “Big Dawg” and the other knuckleheads in the Pound should have been where it ended.

    Any word on if the Browns will sport the brown pants in the course of the last two weeks of the season? I’m waiting to pass judgment until I see them on the field.

    Teebz,
    Don’t worry about Nashville or Columbus, move the Red Wings back to the East. They need to play Toronto more than once a year, and avoid those early round playoff trips to Edmonton and San Jose.

    [quote comment=”31984″]Teebz,
    Don’t worry about Nashville or Columbus, move the Red Wings back to the East. They need to play Toronto more than once a year, and avoid those early round playoff trips to Edmonton and San Jose.[/quote]

    You lose out on the Colorado-Detroit rivalry then. Since they would only play against each other once a year, that’s a rivalry they can’t miss out on. Besides, do I really want to watch Detroit hammer Toronto every fourth weekend on Hokcey Night in Canada? :o)

    [quote comment=”31983″]Move ’em to Hartford! I may be a Bruins fan, but I miss the Whalers.[/quote]

    I love the idea – but the Whalers name will never come back – and Hartford has done very well with their AHL team – plus the Wolf Pack have a great logo!

    I too dismissed Las Vegas instantly – but I keep hearing it, so I thought I’d mention it. I agree another team in Texas isn’t a great idea (The only ice there is in the drinks!)

    I hope they stay in Pittsburgh honestly. The Penguin is a great name. If they do go to KC, the re-alignment would be a major pain, but I’d definitely do the Caps to the Atlantic (as a Ranger fan, I’d get to see Ovechkin more).

    ESPN had a great article on other teams that need to move before the Pens…they mentioned the Panthers, the Preds, and the Caps…all based on lousy attendance figures. It’s a good read.

    [quote comment=”31987″]You lose out on the Colorado-Detroit rivalry then. Since they would only play against each other once a year, that’s a rivalry they can’t miss out on.[/quote]

    It seems like the Colorado/Detroit rivalry has died down quite a bit the last few years. At least that’s what it feels like to me. It was a serious frenzy around the whole link, but I haven’t felt that much of a frenzy in a while.

    But since I don’t have my finger on the pulse of the NHL, I may just be missing it.

    [quote comment=”31924″]Am I the only one that thinks that elf looks incredibly stupid.

    The elf needs work.[/quote]
    WHAT?! ehhh, come on now

    Forewarning for everyone watching the Las Vegas Bowl tonight: source tells me the Ducks will be wearing their black unis with the yellow helmets.

    [quote comment=”31997″]Forewarning for everyone watching the Las Vegas Bowl tonight: source tells me the Ducks will be wearing their black unis with the yellow helmets.[/quote]
    So, they’re going to look like the Colorado Buffs?

    BRILLIANT!

    [quote comment=”31950″]Not to get off track from the great Brownie story, but there was some interesting NHL equipment info in last night’s Red Wings/Blue Jackets game.

    Columbus goalie Fredrik Norrena started the game with link stick. Notice the blue butt end (the wad of tape at the top of the stick). This picture is from the Dec 18th game, I can’t find one from the 20th.

    He was then told to switch to link, the TSN broadcast explained that the rules stipulate that a goaltender can only have a white butt on his stick. To avoid any confusion for the goal judge of any black circular object that may enter the net.[/quote]
    kewl

    [quote comment=”31953″][quote comment=”31949″]I love the Browns, they ain’t my favorite, but I love’em. They got a swift kick in the nuts when buddy moved them out of town to Baltimore (which by the way, should’ve been named different than the Ravens, I would’ve picked the Stallions, just cause of the old Baltimore Colts). But you don’t just move a tradition based team, in pretty well where football is a religion. Depressingly, doesn’t look too good for another town based on hockey tradition, with #66 making the link a legendary team in the NHL.[/quote]

    The “Baltimore Stallions” name is owned by the CFL’s Montreal Alouettes. The CFL had a huge battle with the Indianapolis Colts over being called the Baltimore Colts when the CFL set up shop in Baltimore. It was settled when the owners of the Baltimore CFL franchise backed off the “Colts” name and went to the Stallions. Years later, the Stallions would leave town and move to Montreal where they became the Alouettes.

    As for the Penguins, nothing is known about their future for another 4-6 weeks. The Island of Capri can file an appeal. I wouldn’t write off the NHL in Pittsburgh yet. I have a feeling that Bettman and Cuban/Marino may end up with a deal.[/quote]
    I thought the CFL owned the rights to the team, but wasn’t sure, huh.. Baltimore should’ve cut a cheque to the league for the Stallions name.

    On the [quote comment=”31953″][quote comment=”31949″]I love the Browns, they ain’t my favorite, but I love’em. They got a swift kick in the nuts when buddy moved them out of town to Baltimore (which by the way, should’ve been named different than the Ravens, I would’ve picked the Stallions, just cause of the old Baltimore Colts). But you don’t just move a tradition based team, in pretty well where football is a religion. Depressingly, doesn’t look too good for another town based on hockey tradition, with #66 making the link a legendary team in the NHL.[/quote]

    The “Baltimore Stallions” name is owned by the CFL’s Montreal Alouettes. The CFL had a huge battle with the Indianapolis Colts over being called the Baltimore Colts when the CFL set up shop in Baltimore. It was settled when the owners of the Baltimore CFL franchise backed off the “Colts” name and went to the Stallions. Years later, the Stallions would leave town and move to Montreal where they became the Alouettes.[/quote]

    “Years later” isn’t that accurate of a term, if my memory serves me correctly the Baltimore FC/CFLers/Stallions only existed for something like 2 seasons…along with the rest of the terrible US expansion.

    [quote comment=”31953″][quote comment=”31949″]I love the Browns, they ain’t my favorite, but I love’em. They got a swift kick in the nuts when buddy moved them out of town to Baltimore (which by the way, should’ve been named different than the Ravens, I would’ve picked the Stallions, just cause of the old Baltimore Colts). But you don’t just move a tradition based team, in pretty well where football is a religion. Depressingly, doesn’t look too good for another town based on hockey tradition, with #66 making the link a legendary team in the NHL.[/quote]

    The “Baltimore Stallions” name is owned by the CFL’s Montreal Alouettes. The CFL had a huge battle with the Indianapolis Colts over being called the Baltimore Colts when the CFL set up shop in Baltimore. It was settled when the owners of the Baltimore CFL franchise backed off the “Colts” name and went to the Stallions. Years later, the Stallions would leave town and move to Montreal where they became the Alouettes.

    As for the Penguins, nothing is known about their future for another 4-6 weeks. The Island of Capri can file an appeal. I wouldn’t write off the NHL in Pittsburgh yet. I have a feeling that Bettman and Cuban/Marino may end up with a deal.[/quote]
    bloody well hope they do, Pittsburgh without the Penguins?, come on. but hey, Cleveland was without the Browns. It’s almost like, who gives a shit about the fans, geez.

    Great job today Vince. I LOVE hearing the history behind these teams and their logos. I’m really glad that so many sports teams are starting to embrace their older logos, they had so much more character than today’s logos created by some marketing firm 1,000 miles away.

    Also, it made me think about link that seems to be making a comeback!

    Good Stuff!!!

    [quote comment=”31955″][quote comment=”31950″]
    Columbus goalie Fredrik Norrena started the game with link stick. Notice the blue butt end (the wad of tape at the top of the stick). This picture is from the Dec 18th game, I can’t find one from the 20th.

    He was then told to switch to link, the TSN broadcast explained that the rules stipulate that a goaltender can only have a white butt on his stick. To avoid any confusion for the goal judge of any black circular object that may enter the net.[/quote]

    Good call on that, Kim. I watched that game last night, and here is the wording of the rule:

    Rule 19 – Sticks

    a) The sticks shall be made of wood or other material approved by the Rules Committee, and must not have any projections. Adhesive tape of any color may be wrapped around the stick at any place for the purpose of reinforcement or to improve control of the puck. In the case of a goalkeeper’s stick, there shall be a knob of white tape or some other protective material approved by the League. This knob must not be less than one-half inch (1/2″) thick at the top of the shaft.
    Failure to comply with this provision of the Rule will result in the goalkeeper’s stick being deemed unfit for play. The goalkeeper’s stick must be changed without the application of a minor penalty.”

    I assume that Norrena hadn’t got league approval for the blue tape, thus forcing the officials to make him switch sticks.[/quote]

    Milwaukee is also a possibility

    By the way, after looking through SIs “This Year’s Most Interesting Pictures” gallery I decided that I wanted to nominate link photo as Uniwatch photo of the year. Did Djay Jones take Tyler Grisham’s head off? Was it because of his uniform? As a devoted uniwatcher I say yes.

    Great article.

    As a graduate of the school of visual arts and a big sports uniform fanatic, it was great to read a comprehensive story about one of the more unusual – yet fitting – sports logos in American popular culture.

    I would love to see more stories about franchise logos, their histories, and where they came from.

    Happy Holidays

    [quote comment=”31938″]

    (Minna – pugilistic is for your vocabulary builder today!!)[/quote]

    Nice, Banker B. I’m throwing in bellicose and pugnacious. Great job, Vince the Intern. Erudite and enlightening.

    [quote comment=”32009″]By the way, after looking through SIs “This Year’s Most Interesting Pictures” gallery I decided that I wanted to nominate link photo as Uniwatch photo of the year. Did Djay Jones take Tyler Grisham’s head off? Was it because of his uniform? As a devoted uniwatcher I say yes.[/quote]

    I see those weird knee bands everywhere in sports. Even see them on arms sometimes. What the heck is the purpose?

    Nice, i guess that he got them color coded to that Clemson monstrosity.

    [quote comment=”32007″]Great job today Vince. I LOVE hearing the history behind these teams and their logos. I’m really glad that so many sports teams are starting to embrace their older logos, they had so much more character than today’s logos created by some marketing firm 1,000 miles away.

    Also, it made me think about link that seems to be making a comeback!

    Good Stuff!!![/quote]
    Here’s a link at the old Saints logo.

    Great job, Vince. Yet another Steeler fan who hates all things Cleveland, but it was a well-written, well-researched article.

    And who’s this “Paul” guy that keeps getting mentioned? It’s Vince’s site now, right? (smirk)

    The problem with the Penguins moving to KC/LV/Hou is the lack of any potential buyers from those markets. The only two buyers on the radar are (1) Cuban/Marino and (2) Steelhead Brewery in Canada. Group 1 has obvious Pittsburgh ties, and and Group 2 has stated the team belongs in Pittsburgh.

    If they do move, I hope there is a name change and the black/gold Penguins sweaters get mothballed before they ever become RBK form-fitting disasters.

    T minus 8 hours to flaming Oregon helmets. Hope it’s in HD.

    Regarding the Penguins potential move, as a current KC resident, I’d love it if they moved here. I grew up in Boston loving the Bruins, and it would be great to catch some hockey here. I work a couple of blocks from the sprint center site, and it’s gonna be a nice venue, and with other entertainment going up in the immediate area surrounding the arena, I think the penguins would do well here.

    [quote comment=”31959″]

    Let’s just say the Pens are done in Pittsburgh (hypothetically of course)…where are they moving to? I keep hearing Kansas City and Houston…with Las Vegas as a long shot. Teebz, and other puckheads, give me your ideal team names for all those locations.

    Kansas City – got to go back to tradition and use Scouts, but with the Native American inference, I doubt they’d do that.

    Houston – If it weren’t for Edmonton, I’d go with Oilers…but that ain’t happening either. I have a tough time with Houston

    Las Vegas – I’d go with the High Rollers – but I’m an idiot.[/quote]

    KC KFC
    Las Vegas Showgirls/Gamblers
    Houston Steers/Shotguns

    M. Scrooge, puckhead-in-training

    Better yet, how about the Penguins move to MN and become the North Stars reincarnated? That would be nirvana.

    And that should be the KC KFCs in my last post.

    T minus 8 hours to flaming Oregon helmets. Hope it’s in HD

    I’ll tune in just to see – it’s kind of like when the “Faces of Death” videos first came out – you had to see a little of them even though you knew it would scar you for life.

    I was browsing through the photo gallery of VY on ESPN.com, and noticed that link can’t link to make up link mind about how he wants to wear his sleeves. In college, he link wore the elastic style sleeve.

    [quote comment=”32023″]Better yet, how about the Penguins move to MN and become the North Stars reincarnated? That would be nirvana.

    And that should be the KC KFCs in my last post.[/quote]

    As long as Dallas is still the Stars, that sadly will never happen. I always thought Dallas should go with the Lone Stars, team with the Cowboys and use a blue and silver uni. Not enough of a difference for merchandising I know, but MAN I miss the North Stars…and the Nordiques…and even the Winnipeg Jets.

    [quote comment=”32013″][quote comment=”31938″]

    (Minna – pugilistic is for your vocabulary builder today!!)[/quote]

    Nice, Banker B. I’m throwing in bellicose and pugnacious. Great job, Vince the Intern. Erudite and enlightening.[/quote]
    And slyly sliding in “erudite”. I honestly have to look that up. I’m asking U of A for my money back.

    [quote comment=”32029″][quote comment=”32023″]Better yet, how about the Penguins move to MN and become the North Stars reincarnated? That would be nirvana.

    And that should be the KC KFCs in my last post.[/quote]

    As long as Dallas is still the Stars, that sadly will never happen. I always thought Dallas should go with the Lone Stars, team with the Cowboys and use a blue and silver uni. Not enough of a difference for merchandising I know, but MAN I miss the North Stars…and the Nordiques…and even the Winnipeg Jets.[/quote]

    Sigh. I know. I agree that Dallas should be the Lone Stars if anything.

    You know how I feel about the North Stars? It’s like the true love who got away. I have a hot new boyfriend (the Wild!) whom I love dearly, but I would dump him in a second if my old boyfriend (the North Stars) came back to me. Sad, but true.

    [quote comment=”32013″][quote comment=”31938″]

    (Minna – pugilistic is for your vocabulary builder today!!)[/quote]

    Nice, Banker B. I’m throwing in bellicose and pugnacious. Great job, Vince the Intern. Erudite and enlightening.[/quote]

    I’m still stuck on decolletage from the other day…

    :D

    stetson was wearing their green road uni’s at florida last night. i noticed that stetson had a white nameplate (with green letters) on their green uni. it looked terrible. it looked like they had just pulled the nameplate off the home white uni’s and put it their road uni’s.

    [quote comment=”32030″][quote comment=”32013″][quote comment=”31938″]

    (Minna – pugilistic is for your vocabulary builder today!!)[/quote]

    Nice, Banker B. I’m throwing in bellicose and pugnacious. Great job, Vince the Intern. Erudite and enlightening.[/quote]
    And slyly sliding in “erudite”. I honestly have to look that up. I’m asking U of A for my money back.[/quote]

    MetsfanAZ, don’t feel bad about it. I used to read the dictionary (I’m not joking) when I was a kid. My brother said I informed him when I reached the letter ‘I’. I also read alot of real books, and I am happy to drop a little of my vocab skillz on my crew.

    [quote comment=”32032″][quote comment=”32013″][quote comment=”31938″]

    (Minna – pugilistic is for your vocabulary builder today!!)[/quote]

    Nice, Banker B. I’m throwing in bellicose and pugnacious. Great job, Vince the Intern. Erudite and enlightening.[/quote]

    I’m still stuck on decolletage from the other day…

    :D[/quote]

    Original Jim, yead, I bet you are. It’s a good word on which to be stuck, no? am reading third Soos’ baseball mystery book. The front cover is great with a pic of Wrigley back in the day and of lettering on the plackets. You were the one who read the series, right?

    [quote comment=”32023″]Better yet, how about the Penguins move to MN and become the North Stars reincarnated? That would be nirvana.

    And that should be the KC KFCs in my last post.[/quote]

    Kentucky Fried Chicken has nothing to do with Kansas City, Missouri. I’m confused about your team name suggestion…

    [quote comment=”32036″][quote comment=”32032″][quote comment=”32013″][quote comment=”31938″]

    (Minna – pugilistic is for your vocabulary builder today!!)[/quote]

    Nice, Banker B. I’m throwing in bellicose and pugnacious. Great job, Vince the Intern. Erudite and enlightening.[/quote]

    I’m still stuck on decolletage from the other day…

    :D[/quote]

    Original Jim, yead, I bet you are. It’s a good word on which to be stuck, no? am reading third Soos’ baseball mystery book. The front cover is great with a pic of Wrigley back in the day and of lettering on the plackets. You were the one who read the series, right?[/quote]

    Sigh. What good does it do to have a big vocabulary when I can’t freaking type? Yeah, not yead.

    [quote comment=”32038″][quote comment=”32023″]Better yet, how about the Penguins move to MN and become the North Stars reincarnated? That would be nirvana.

    And that should be the KC KFCs in my last post.[/quote]

    Kentucky Fried Chicken has nothing to do with Kansas City, Missouri. I’m confused about your team name suggestion…[/quote]

    Phil, yeah, I know. I was just being snarky because the initials were close. Sorry for the confusion.

    [quote comment=”32040″][quote comment=”32038″][quote comment=”32023″]Better yet, how about the Penguins move to MN and become the North Stars reincarnated? That would be nirvana.

    And that should be the KC KFCs in my last post.[/quote]

    Kentucky Fried Chicken has nothing to do with Kansas City, Missouri. I’m confused about your team name suggestion…[/quote]

    Phil, yeah, I know. I was just being snarky because the initials were close. Sorry for the confusion.[/quote]

    Ah ok, my snarky detector isn’t working today lol

    As for an actual KC team name, I really have no clue what would be good. There was a minor league team called the outlaws and I thought it was lame. Scouts is a cool name, but native american imagery is something that sort of bothers me. I’ll have to think this over lol

    [quote comment=”32040″][quote comment=”32038″][quote comment=”32023″]Better yet, how about the Penguins move to MN and become the North Stars reincarnated? That would be nirvana.

    And that should be the KC KFCs in my last post.[/quote]

    Kentucky Fried Chicken has nothing to do with Kansas City, Missouri. I’m confused about your team name suggestion…[/quote]

    Phil, yeah, I know. I was just being snarky because the initials were close. Sorry for the confusion.[/quote]
    There has got to be a KC Masterpiece tie in somehow. BBQ colored jerseys, shoulder patches in the shape of soppin’ bread, etc.

    [quote comment=”32042″][quote comment=”32040″][quote comment=”32038″][quote comment=”32023″]Better yet, how about the Penguins move to MN and become the North Stars reincarnated? That would be nirvana.

    And that should be the KC KFCs in my last post.[/quote]

    Kentucky Fried Chicken has nothing to do with Kansas City, Missouri. I’m confused about your team name suggestion…[/quote]

    Phil, yeah, I know. I was just being snarky because the initials were close. Sorry for the confusion.[/quote]
    There has got to be a KC Masterpiece tie in somehow. BBQ colored jerseys, shoulder patches in the shape of soppin’ bread, etc.[/quote]
    Even better…the KC Stengels!

    [quote comment=”32032″][quote comment=”32013″][quote comment=”31938″]

    (Minna – pugilistic is for your vocabulary builder today!!)[/quote]

    Nice, Banker B. I’m throwing in bellicose and pugnacious. Great job, Vince the Intern. Erudite and enlightening.[/quote]

    I’m still stuck on decolletage from the other day…

    :D[/quote]

    If you’re stuck on the decolletage, Minna needs to use different glitter. Besides, wasn’t it Jerry Seinfeld who said cleavage is a lot like direct sunlight – a quick glance now and again is OK, but if you stare right at it, you can cause yourself great harm.

    I used to read the dictionary too Minna – that’s why I have a lot of fun with the English language.

    [quote comment=”32015″][quote comment=”32007″]Great job today Vince. I LOVE hearing the history behind these teams and their logos. I’m really glad that so many sports teams are starting to embrace their older logos, they had so much more character than today’s logos created by some marketing firm 1,000 miles away.

    Also, it made me think about link that seems to be making a comeback!

    Good Stuff!!![/quote]
    Here’s a link at the old Saints logo.[/quote]

    It looks like Snoopy wearing a Saints helmet.

    [quote comment=”32043″][quote comment=”32042″][quote comment=”32040″][quote comment=”32038″][quote comment=”32023″]Better yet, how about the Penguins move to MN and become the North Stars reincarnated? That would be nirvana.

    And that should be the KC KFCs in my last post.[/quote]

    Kentucky Fried Chicken has nothing to do with Kansas City, Missouri. I’m confused about your team name suggestion…[/quote]

    Phil, yeah, I know. I was just being snarky because the initials were close. Sorry for the confusion.[/quote]
    There has got to be a KC Masterpiece tie in somehow. BBQ colored jerseys, shoulder patches in the shape of soppin’ bread, etc.[/quote]
    Even better…the KC Stengels![/quote]

    That’s CLASSIC!! Post of the day!

    [quote comment=”32047″]Let’s honor Buck, and all of the past players…

    KC Monarchs.[/quote]

    I love Buck – but I doubt he was much of a hockey player…and having the Kings and the Monarchs in the same conference – especially since Manchester (the Kings AHL team) is the Monarchs. Besides – I thought the original KC team was the Clowns in the Negro Leagues…or am I wrong?

    lol I was thinking BBQ theme, but the best BBQ that I’ve had locally is Arthur Bryant’s. If LA didn’t have the kings, that would be a cool name (I know there was an NBA kings here in KC before moving to CA). I have a feeling whatever they come up with will be lame, unless somehow we can start a grassroots effort to create and develop an identity for the team.

    [quote comment=”32043″][quote comment=”32042″][quote comment=”32040″][quote comment=”32038″][quote comment=”32023″]Better yet, how about the Penguins move to MN and become the North Stars reincarnated? That would be nirvana.

    And that should be the KC KFCs in my last post.[/quote]

    Kentucky Fried Chicken has nothing to do with Kansas City, Missouri. I’m confused about your team name suggestion…[/quote]

    Phil, yeah, I know. I was just being snarky because the initials were close. Sorry for the confusion.[/quote]
    There has got to be a KC Masterpiece tie in somehow. BBQ colored jerseys, shoulder patches in the shape of soppin’ bread, etc.[/quote]
    Even better…the KC Stengels![/quote]

    I was going to go with the KC Sunshine Bands, but the Stengels is a brilliant suggestion!

    [quote comment=”32035″]I used to read the dictionary (I’m not joking) when I was a kid.[/quote]

    Minna, my brother used to read encyclopedias when he was younger. (I’m not sure which letter he reached.) I can believe the dictionary thing. And really, there are many worse things to read.

    Plus, a little more vocabulary is good for everybody.

    I really dont think calling the team the monarchs would honor the negro league players, it would be a disservice and capitalizing off a name they really couldn’t, if that makes any sense. But I haven’t lived in KC long enough to know what gives this town its identity

    [quote comment=”31933″]As you can see from the team’s sideline ponchos….

    Are those Sears ponchos or are they Mexican ponchos?[/quote]

    hm. no foolin’.

    [quote comment=”32051″][quote comment=”32043″][quote comment=”32042″][quote comment=”32040″][quote comment=”32038″][quote comment=”32023″]Better yet, how about the Penguins move to MN and become the North Stars reincarnated? That would be nirvana.

    And that should be the KC KFCs in my last post.[/quote]

    Kentucky Fried Chicken has nothing to do with Kansas City, Missouri. I’m confused about your team name suggestion…[/quote]

    Phil, yeah, I know. I was just being snarky because the initials were close. Sorry for the confusion.[/quote]
    There has got to be a KC Masterpiece tie in somehow. BBQ colored jerseys, shoulder patches in the shape of soppin’ bread, etc.[/quote]
    Even better…the KC Stengels![/quote]

    I was going to go with the KC Sunshine Bands, but the Stengels is a brilliant suggestion![/quote]

    Equally brilliant (the Guiness commercial is in my head now).

    Has to be some kind of “cat” name – so they can be nicknamed the Kansas City Kitties.

    [quote comment=”31959″][quote comment=”31953″][quote comment=”31949″]I love the Browns, they ain’t my favorite, but I love’em. They got a swift kick in the nuts when buddy moved them out of town to Baltimore (which by the way, should’ve been named different than the Ravens, I would’ve picked the Stallions, just cause of the old Baltimore Colts). But you don’t just move a tradition based team, in pretty well where football is a religion. Depressingly, doesn’t look too good for another town based on hockey tradition, with #66 making the link a legendary team in the NHL.[/quote]

    The “Baltimore Stallions” name is owned by the CFL’s Montreal Alouettes. The CFL had a huge battle with the Indianapolis Colts over being called the Baltimore Colts when the CFL set up shop in Baltimore. It was settled when the owners of the Baltimore CFL franchise backed off the “Colts” name and went to the Stallions. Years later, the Stallions would leave town and move to Montreal where they became the Alouettes.

    As for the Penguins, nothing is known about their future for another 4-6 weeks. The Island of Capri can file an appeal. I wouldn’t write off the NHL in Pittsburgh yet. I have a feeling that Bettman and Cuban/Marino may end up with a deal.[/quote]

    Let’s just say the Pens are done in Pittsburgh (hypothetically of course)…where are they moving to? I keep hearing Kansas City and Houston…with Las Vegas as a long shot. Teebz, and other puckheads, give me your ideal team names for all those locations.

    Kansas City – got to go back to tradition and use Scouts, but with the Native American inference, I doubt they’d do that.

    Houston – If it weren’t for Edmonton, I’d go with Oilers…but that ain’t happening either. I have a tough time with Houston

    Las Vegas – I’d go with the High Rollers – but I’m an idiot.[/quote]

    Kansas City Millionares / Houston Trappers
    Las Vegas Scorpions or SandTraps or $Benjamins$ haha, this is fun
    But the Penguins belong in Pitt. Florida’s gotta go. And bring back the WHALERS!

    [quote comment=”31961″]Great work. I feel the pain of the Steeler Fan in distress about actually liking a product of the city by the lake. However, the Steelers had a logo of a steel worker punting a ball on a beam, before they went to the current SteelMark logo with the hypocycloids.[/quote]
    Does the awesome Steeler logo represent something in the city of steel? just interested..

    And all this talk of a KC hockey team name is all well and good, but here’s my question: what color scheme should a KC hockey team have? The same as the team’s former location, or a new look?

    [quote comment=”32044″][quote comment=”32032″][quote comment=”32013″][quote comment=”31938″]

    (Minna – pugilistic is for your vocabulary builder today!!)[/quote]

    Nice, Banker B. I’m throwing in bellicose and pugnacious. Great job, Vince the Intern. Erudite and enlightening.[/quote]

    I’m still stuck on decolletage from the other day…

    :D[/quote]

    If you’re stuck on the decolletage, Minna needs to use different glitter. Besides, wasn’t it Jerry Seinfeld who said cleavage is a lot like direct sunlight – a quick glance now and again is OK, but if you stare right at it, you can cause yourself great harm.

    I used to read the dictionary too Minna – that’s why I have a lot of fun with the English language.[/quote]

    I have you hyp-motized! I used the darkest glitter I could find—a deep, purple/blue. Put some in my (black) hair, too, to make it all shiny.

    Glad to know I am not alone in my love of words. Wait until you see the vocab builder I’ll be throwing at you tomorrow.

    [quote comment=”32052″][quote comment=”32035″]I used to read the dictionary (I’m not joking) when I was a kid.[/quote]

    Minna, my brother used to read encyclopedias when he was younger. (I’m not sure which letter he reached.) I can believe the dictionary thing. And really, there are many worse things to read.

    Plus, a little more vocabulary is good for everybody.[/quote]

    Burrill, your brother was more ambitious than I! I only wanted to learn new words. As for worse things to read—I have probably read those, too. I am a prolific reader with a voracious appetite.

    [quote comment=”31982″]Vince,

    Great job! Of course, that is to be expected – you are a Clevelander, and Clevelanders are good at everything… except professional sports.

    I too wish the “Dawg” logo would go away. “Big Dawg” and the other knuckleheads in the Pound should have been where it ended.

    Any word on if the Browns will sport the brown pants in the course of the last two weeks of the season? I’m waiting to pass judgment until I see them on the field.[/quote]
    The Browns helmet would look splendid with numbers on them,..just on one side though.

    [quote comment=”32050″]lol I was thinking BBQ theme, but the best BBQ that I’ve had locally is Arthur Bryant’s. If LA didn’t have the kings, that would be a cool name (I know there was an NBA kings here in KC before moving to CA). I have a feeling whatever they come up with will be lame, unless somehow we can start a grassroots effort to create and develop an identity for the team.[/quote]

    I agree with you about Bryant’s, and I sure wouldn’t pick KC Masterpiece as the franchise to name a team after, with their embezzling and bankruptcy and whatnot.

    The only name I could think of to suggest was the KC Strip Steaks, but that has a rather, ah … homoerotic connotation. If (and it’s a big-ass “if”) KC gets a team, I’d either leave the Penguins name as-is or go back to the Scouts. Failing that … “the Stengels” sounds great to me!

    [quote comment=”32061″]And all this talk of a KC hockey team name is all well and good, but here’s my question: what color scheme should a KC hockey team have? The same as the team’s former location, or a new look?[/quote]

    It really depends on the name that is chosen I think. Now if we can come up with a cool name, we could develop a color scheme and look. It could be a fun uniwatch project. Whether ownership will even look at a public contribution is the big question.

    [quote comment=”31984″]Teebz,
    Don’t worry about Nashville or Columbus, move the Red Wings back to the East. They need to play Toronto more than once a year, and avoid those early round playoff trips to Edmonton and San Jose.[/quote]
    whoa, did I just read more Detroit Red Wings-Toronto Maple Leafs matchups? :-D, double whoa

    [quote comment=”32029″]I miss the North Stars…and the Nordiques…and even the Winnipeg Jets.[/quote]

    Since both Winnipeg and Quebec City are smaller than any of the current NHL cities. Hartford is in the same boat in terms of being a small market. Would it be nice to have a team back in Hartford? Yes. Will it happen? Not likely.

    Before we get crazy with a naming convention and poll and a mascot design contest, let’s look at this rationally.

    Kansas City is minutes away from Lawrence, Kansas, the home of the University of Kansas. I know in Nebraska that the largest “city” in Nebraskas is the Cornhuskers stadium when the Huskers play at home. Is it the same for Kansas football? More importantly, is it similar to Duke or North Carolina for basketball? If so, you’re pulling potentially 100,000 people away from pro hockey in Kansas City if they are as college-crazy as other fans seem to be.

    Kansas City had an NHL team for 2 years in the 1970s. There was no support then. They had an IHL team from 1990-2001 that played in front of sparse crowds. Is it wise going back to a city where hockey seems to be an afterthought to most residents?

    The Penguins belong in Pittsburgh where they average 14,000 per game in the hole known as Mellon Arena. They will get a new arena. At whose expense is all that needs to be decided.

    [quote comment=”31983″]Move ’em to Hartford! I may be a Bruins fan, but I miss the Whalers.[/quote]

    too bad the Hurricanes own (and have locked up in a vault) the rights to the Whalers name/logo/etc.

    Hartford would go NUTS if they got the Whalers back. about a year ago, I was in a mall in West Hartford, and there was this guy walking around in a sweet kelly green satin Whalers jacket, Whalers cap and blue Whalers sweatpants. and a lot of other people wearing Whalers caps or t-shirts.

    Hartford is a case of a city that really, really misses its team.

    (probably because there’s nothing else in Hartford worth caring about)

    [quote comment=”31987″][quote comment=”31984″]Teebz,
    Don’t worry about Nashville or Columbus, move the Red Wings back to the East. They need to play Toronto more than once a year, and avoid those early round playoff trips to Edmonton and San Jose.[/quote]

    You lose out on the Colorado-Detroit rivalry then. Since they would only play against each other once a year, that’s a rivalry they can’t miss out on. Besides, do I really want to watch Detroit hammer Toronto every fourth weekend on Hokcey Night in Canada? :o)[/quote]
    Go Leafs Go!

    The KC Mississippi Rivers. Blue, white and silver.

    The KC Calicos. Black, white and orange.

    The KC Fountains (City of Fountains). Blue, white and silver.

    The KC Heartbreakers (Heart of America). Red, white and orange.

    The KC Stockers (known for stockyards). Brown, black and green.

    [quote comment=”32055″][quote comment=”32051″][quote comment=”32043″][quote comment=”32042″][quote comment=”32040″][quote comment=”32038″][quote comment=”32023″]Better yet, how about the Penguins move to MN and become the North Stars reincarnated? That would be nirvana.

    And that should be the KC KFCs in my last post.[/quote]

    Kentucky Fried Chicken has nothing to do with Kansas City, Missouri. I’m confused about your team name suggestion…[/quote]

    Phil, yeah, I know. I was just being snarky because the initials were close. Sorry for the confusion.[/quote]
    There has got to be a KC Masterpiece tie in somehow. BBQ colored jerseys, shoulder patches in the shape of soppin’ bread, etc.[/quote]
    Even better…the KC Stengels![/quote]

    I was going to go with the KC Sunshine Bands, but the Stengels is a brilliant suggestion![/quote]

    Equally brilliant (the Guiness commercial is in my head now).

    Has to be some kind of “cat” name – so they can be nicknamed the Kansas City Kitties.[/quote]

    The Kansas City Cheetah’s?? Could use the link?

    Teebz,

    I’ve only lived here a couple of years, so I have little to no room to comment on local culture. But I would definitely support the NHL here in KC. I work a few blocks away from the arena site and would definitely stroll over after work to catch a game, and I think a lot of downtown workers would, especially with the entertainment district being built around the arena. I’ve only been to Kemper once, but it’s in the middle of an industrial rundown area that wouldn’t attract anyone for regular games. I think a solid NHL franchise would do pretty well given the current circumstances of economic development in the city.

    I just hope the Brownie logo gets used in the propper context, that it’s just not thrown on stuff that looks modern and looks completely out of place.

    Sort of like link with the Cincinnatti Reds unis. If the jerseys had an actual old school looking type face, then Mr. Redlegs would look good. But it’s too much of a mix of modern and old (the modern part is ruinning it) so it doesn’t look good.

    [quote comment=”31992″][quote comment=”31983″]Move ’em to Hartford! I may be a Bruins fan, but I miss the Whalers.[/quote]

    I love the idea – but the Whalers name will never come back – and Hartford has done very well with their AHL team – plus the Wolf Pack have a great logo!

    I too dismissed Las Vegas instantly – but I keep hearing it, so I thought I’d mention it. I agree another team in Texas isn’t a great idea (The only ice there is in the drinks!)

    I hope they stay in Pittsburgh honestly. The Penguin is a great name. If they do go to KC, the re-alignment would be a major pain, but I’d definitely do the Caps to the Atlantic (as a Ranger fan, I’d get to see Ovechkin more).

    ESPN had a great article on other teams that need to move before the Pens…they mentioned the Panthers, the Preds, and the Caps…all based on lousy attendance figures. It’s a good read.[/quote]
    Florida Panthers 100% for sure, Nashville’s building something in that state, and Washington!, geez, who is ruining that franchise?, need new ownership, the Capitals are as valuable to the NHL as the Penguins are. Wasn’t it Washington vs Pittsburgh that went like into 5 playoff OT’s like 10 or 15 years ago?, I know the Capitals were involved, but I’m not sure if it was the Penguins or not, maybe the Islanders?..You got the link to that article Banker Bill?

    [quote comment=”32008″][quote]I assume that Norrena hadn’t got league approval for the blue tape, thus forcing the officials to make him switch sticks.[/quote]

    Milwaukee is also a possibility[/quote]

    I am making this my new default non-sequiteur reply.

    “In light of the recent tax cuts, do you believe abolishing the tolls on the bridges would be a good idea?”
    “Milwaukee is also a possibility.”

    Kansas City Blues would be cool if St. Louis didn’t already have it, given this city’s connection to music. Kansas City Jazz might be an option, even though there’s the NBA team with the same name.

    [quote comment=”32080″] Wasn’t it Washington vs Pittsburgh that went like into 5 playoff OT’s like 10 or 15 years ago?, I know the Capitals were involved, but I’m not sure if it was the Penguins or not, maybe the Islanders?..You got the link to that article Banker Bill?[/quote]

    It was the Isles.

    April 18, 1987 – Pat LaFontaine scores at 8:42 of quadruple overtime as the Islanders beat the Washington Capitals 4-3 in Game Seven of the Patrick Division semifinals.

    And if the Pens do move to Texas, they can be the Houston Nutts. Thank you, my work here is done.

    [quote comment=”32080″][quote comment=”31992″][quote comment=”31983″]Move ’em to Hartford! I may be a Bruins fan, but I miss the Whalers.[/quote]

    I love the idea – but the Whalers name will never come back – and Hartford has done very well with their AHL team – plus the Wolf Pack have a great logo!

    I too dismissed Las Vegas instantly – but I keep hearing it, so I thought I’d mention it. I agree another team in Texas isn’t a great idea (The only ice there is in the drinks!)

    I hope they stay in Pittsburgh honestly. The Penguin is a great name. If they do go to KC, the re-alignment would be a major pain, but I’d definitely do the Caps to the Atlantic (as a Ranger fan, I’d get to see Ovechkin more).

    ESPN had a great article on other teams that need to move before the Pens…they mentioned the Panthers, the Preds, and the Caps…all based on lousy attendance figures. It’s a good read.[/quote]
    Florida Panthers 100% for sure, Nashville’s building something in that state, and Washington!, geez, who is ruining that franchise?, need new ownership, the Capitals are as valuable to the NHL as the Penguins are. Wasn’t it Washington vs Pittsburgh that went like into 5 playoff OT’s like 10 or 15 years ago?, I know the Capitals were involved, but I’m not sure if it was the Penguins or not, maybe the Islanders?..You got the link to that article Banker Bill?[/quote]

    I can try…
    link

    [quote comment=”32082″]Kansas City Blues would be cool if St. Louis didn’t already have it, given this city’s connection to music. Kansas City Jazz might be an option, even though there’s the NBA team with the same name.[/quote]

    Pdil, I was thinking about this vein , too. How about the KC Charlie Parkers? Or the KC Trumpets? How about the KC Rhythm? Then they can have a concept for a name like the Wild!

    [quote comment=”32049″]I love Buck – but I doubt he was much of a hockey player…and having the Kings and the Monarchs in the same conference – especially since Manchester (the Kings AHL team) is the Monarchs. Besides – I thought the original KC team was the Clowns in the Negro Leagues…or am I wrong?[/quote]

    It was the link

    ed

    “Years later” isn’t that accurate of a term, if my memory serves me correctly the Baltimore FC/CFLers/Stallions only existed for something like 2 seasons…along with the rest of the terrible US expansion.[/quote]
    If it were two seasons, it would have to be years later wouldn’t it?

    a. i havent been able to find this t shirt in the browns store. its a must have based on the size, simplicity and retro feel of the logo.
    link

    b. i dont know how ANY browns fan can say anything bad about the “dawg” logo. that logo represents YOU THE FAN! without the fan there would never have been the dawg logo.

    [quote comment=”32093″][quote comment=”32082″]Kansas City Blues would be cool if St. Louis didn’t already have it, given this city’s connection to music. Kansas City Jazz might be an option, even though there’s the NBA team with the same name.[/quote]

    Pdil, I was thinking about this vein , too. How about the KC Charlie Parkers? Or the KC Trumpets? How about the KC Rhythm? Then they can have a concept for a name like the Wild![/quote]

    Phil! sheesh. I am using a different typing system (Dvorak) with the h by the d.

    Tape, I am stealing your non-sequitur response.

    Teebz, you might not want to read the article Banker B. linked. You won’t like what he says about the Nordiques leaving Quebec. I didn’t like what he said about the North Stars (though I see his reasoning).

    Great Job Vince! Your post was one of the few things that went right for my beloved Browns this season! Love the Brownie. GO BROWNS!

    [quote comment=”32102″]
    Teebz, you might not want to read the article Banker B. linked. You won’t like what he says about the Nordiques leaving Quebec. I didn’t like what he said about the North Stars (though I see his reasoning).[/quote]

    No, what Burnside said is true. After a decade of losing seasons, no one supported or cared about the Nordiques. The Stastneys were the only reason people cared early on. In their last season in Quebec when they were thought to be a Cup favorite, people started showing up. However, it was far too late at that point.

    [quote comment=”32099″]sorry html skills needs work
    (does the link button not work?)

    link
    So, to sum up…The Penguins had a group lined up that would build a stadium for free. The local Gov. gave the gaming rights to another company who wants to build near Heinz and PNC, but, and this kills me, the Steelers and Pirates don’t want it.

    What the Hell is going on in Pittsburgh politics?

    [quote comment=”32035″][quote comment=”32030″][quote comment=”32013″][quote comment=”31938″]

    (Minna – pugilistic is for your vocabulary builder today!!)[/quote]

    Nice, Banker B. I’m throwing in bellicose and pugnacious. Great job, Vince the Intern. Erudite and enlightening.[/quote]
    And slyly sliding in “erudite”. I honestly have to look that up. I’m asking U of A for my money back.[/quote]

    MetsfanAZ, don’t feel bad about it. I used to read the dictionary (I’m not joking) when I was a kid. My brother said I informed him when I reached the letter ‘I’. I also read alot of real books, and I am happy to drop a little of my vocab skillz on my crew.[/quote]
    keep dropping Minna, (even though I can’t pronounce the words), I mumble them when I’m reading your posts, s’all good

    [quote comment=”32106″]
    So, to sum up…The Penguins had a group lined up that would build a stadium for free. The local Gov. gave the gaming rights to another company who wants to build near Heinz and PNC, but, and this kills me, the Steelers and Pirates don’t want it.

    What the Hell is going on in Pittsburgh politics?[/quote]
    This actually comes from this ESPN article

    [quote comment=”32006″][quote comment=”31953″][quote comment=”31949″]I love the Browns, they ain’t my favorite, but I love’em. They got a swift kick in the nuts when buddy moved them out of town to Baltimore (which by the way, should’ve been named different than the Ravens, I would’ve picked the Stallions, just cause of the old Baltimore Colts). But you don’t just move a tradition based team, in pretty well where football is a religion. Depressingly, doesn’t look too good for another town based on hockey tradition, with #66 making the link a legendary team in the NHL.[/quote]

    The “Baltimore Stallions” name is owned by the CFL’s Montreal Alouettes. The CFL had a huge battle with the Indianapolis Colts over being called the Baltimore Colts when the CFL set up shop in Baltimore. It was settled when the owners of the Baltimore CFL franchise backed off the “Colts” name and went to the Stallions. Years later, the Stallions would leave town and move to Montreal where they became the Alouettes.

    As for the Penguins, nothing is known about their future for another 4-6 weeks. The Island of Capri can file an appeal. I wouldn’t write off the NHL in Pittsburgh yet. I have a feeling that Bettman and Cuban/Marino may end up with a deal.[/quote]
    bloody well hope they do, Pittsburgh without the Penguins?, come on. but hey, Cleveland was without the Browns. It’s almost like, who gives a shit about the fans, geez.[/quote]
    oh and how could I’ve forgotten, Minnesota was without the North Stars, sorry Minna. keep your chin up, and yours eyes on the ball at all times (i dunno, it’s Christmas week, and I’m drunk) hiccup/stumble

    [quote comment=”32045″][quote comment=”32015″][quote comment=”32007″]Great job today Vince. I LOVE hearing the history behind these teams and their logos. I’m really glad that so many sports teams are starting to embrace their older logos, they had so much more character than today’s logos created by some marketing firm 1,000 miles away.

    Also, it made me think about link that seems to be making a comeback!

    Good Stuff!!![/quote]
    Here’s a link at the old Saints logo.[/quote]

    It looks like Snoopy wearing a Saints helmet.[/quote]
    or Jay Leno

    another rumored place for the Penguins to move is Hamilton, ON… wow, having Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo all that close… that could be some crazy rivalries…

    [quote comment=”32061″]And all this talk of a KC hockey team name is all well and good, but here’s my question: what color scheme should a KC hockey team have? The same as the team’s former location, or a new look?[/quote]
    same as the Chiefs

    [quote comment=”32111″]another rumored place for the Penguins to move is Hamilton, ON… wow, having Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo all that close… that could be some crazy rivalries…[/quote]

    Both the Leafs and Sabres would block that move. That’s a no-brainer if I’m MLSE or Golisano.

    [quote comment=”32062″][quote comment=”32044″][quote comment=”32032″][quote comment=”32013″][quote comment=”31938″]

    (Minna – pugilistic is for your vocabulary builder today!!)[/quote]

    Nice, Banker B. I’m throwing in bellicose and pugnacious. Great job, Vince the Intern. Erudite and enlightening.[/quote]

    I’m still stuck on decolletage from the other day…

    :D[/quote]

    If you’re stuck on the decolletage, Minna needs to use different glitter. Besides, wasn’t it Jerry Seinfeld who said cleavage is a lot like direct sunlight – a quick glance now and again is OK, but if you stare right at it, you can cause yourself great harm.

    I used to read the dictionary too Minna – that’s why I have a lot of fun with the English language.[/quote]

    I have you hyp-motized! I used the darkest glitter I could find—a deep, purple/blue. Put some in my (black) hair, too, to make it all shiny.

    Glad to know I am not alone in my love of words. Wait until you see the vocab builder I’ll be throwing at you tomorrow.[/quote]
    are the words gonna be any longer than firetruck, phew, that took a lot outta me. break time, now i’m nervous

    All this talk of Kansas City and the possible new NHL team names made me think of the Kansas City T-bones. The T-bones are a minor league baseball team (not even sure what level). They incorporate the BBQ identity with being so literal.

    link

    link

    The mascot they have walking around the stadium is named “Sizzler”. You gotta love it.

    link

    [quote comment=”32022″][quote comment=”31959″]

    Let’s just say the Pens are done in Pittsburgh (hypothetically of course)…where are they moving to? I keep hearing Kansas City and Houston…with Las Vegas as a long shot. Teebz, and other puckheads, give me your ideal team names for all those locations.

    Kansas City – got to go back to tradition and use Scouts, but with the Native American inference, I doubt they’d do that.

    Houston – If it weren’t for Edmonton, I’d go with Oilers…but that ain’t happening either. I have a tough time with Houston

    Las Vegas – I’d go with the High Rollers – but I’m an idiot.[/quote]

    KC KFC
    Las Vegas Showgirls/Gamblers
    Houston Steers/Shotguns

    M. Scrooge, puckhead-in-training[/quote]

    If they did move to Houston, Gamblers would also work as a nice homage to Houston’s USFL team. The logo was kick ass: link

    That being said, Houston isn’t really a hockey town. Houston is a football town through and through. The Astros and Rockets have made deep inroads (going to a World Series and winning back to back NBA Championships will do that), but the city remains football oriented and I just cannot see an NHL franchise surviving, let alone becoming prosperous, there.

    [quote comment=”32083″][quote comment=”32080″] Wasn’t it Washington vs Pittsburgh that went like into 5 playoff OT’s like 10 or 15 years ago?, I know the Capitals were involved, but I’m not sure if it was the Penguins or not, maybe the Islanders?..You got the link to that article Banker Bill?[/quote]

    It was the Isles.

    April 18, 1987 – Pat LaFontaine scores at 8:42 of quadruple overtime as the Islanders beat the Washington Capitals 4-3 in Game Seven of the Patrick Division semifinals.[/quote]

    There was a 5OT game in (I think) 2000: Penguins vs. Flyers.

    [quote comment=”32074″]The KC Mississippi Rivers. Blue, white and silver.

    The KC Calicos. Black, white and orange.

    The KC Fountains (City of Fountains). Blue, white and silver.

    The KC Heartbreakers (Heart of America). Red, white and orange.

    The KC Stockers (known for stockyards). Brown, black and green.[/quote]

    Call me a stickler for authenticity, but the KC Mississippi Rivers colors should be brown and baby poop green. At no point in its path is the river blue.

    [quote comment=”32065″][quote comment=”31991″]eh Teebz. i forgot to thank’ya for yestaday
    link[/quote]

    mmmmmmmm donuts….[/quote]
    yeah donuts (boston cream for me please), a little off topic, but if the Leafs are gonna alter their Maple Leafs logo, the one Timmy is wearing on the jersey looks perfect.

    [quote comment=”32122″][quote comment=”32074″]The KC Mississippi Rivers. Blue, white and silver.

    The KC Calicos. Black, white and orange.

    The KC Fountains (City of Fountains). Blue, white and silver.

    The KC Heartbreakers (Heart of America). Red, white and orange.

    The KC Stockers (known for stockyards). Brown, black and green.[/quote]

    Call me a stickler for authenticity, but the KC Mississippi Rivers colors should be brown and baby poop green. At no point in its path is the river blue.[/quote]
    Nor does it come anywhere near Kansas City…

    The only name I could think of to suggest was the KC Strip Steaks,
    well,..you can count out the vegetarians supporting the team :-‘

    The Kansas City Tumbleweed? (You’d think with my being a trademark lawyer, I’d be able to make up good names. No chance.)

    The link mentioning the Devils reminded me of a Flyers-Devils game I went to back in March. I’m from Philly (mow living in Northern NJ and working in NYC), so I was expecting a raucous crowd like I experienced at Madison Square Garden or at the Nassau County Coliseum. Nope. It was silent and quiet; as if you were watching hockey in a museum.

    [quote comment=”32069″][quote comment=”32061″]And all this talk of a KC hockey team name is all well and good, but here’s my question: what color scheme should a KC hockey team have? The same as the team’s former location, or a new look?[/quote]

    It really depends on the name that is chosen I think. Now if we can come up with a cool name, we could develop a color scheme and look. It could be a fun uniwatch project. Whether ownership will even look at a public contribution is the big question.[/quote]
    ownership taking the public into consideration? I’d love to say they would Phil, but they don’t care. ie’s North Stars, Browns,

    Wow, nice job Vince. Interesting little history on Brownie there.

    Since we’re on the topic of the NHL here in the commants, my local paper (the San Jose Mercury News) was in on the San Jose Sharks trying out the new uniforms the NHL plans to try at the All-Star Game and roll out for next season. They wrote link featuring some of the Sharks’ reactions on the new uniforms – and despite Gary Bettman’s claims to the contrary, there were a number of Sharks players who didn’t like the uniforms.

    I can’t wait for the league-wide roll-out of these unis next season; hopefully it’ll have a similar result to the synthetic ball fiasco the NBA’s had this year.

    [quote comment=”32122″][quote comment=”32074″]The KC Mississippi Rivers. Blue, white and silver.

    The KC Calicos. Black, white and orange.

    The KC Fountains (City of Fountains). Blue, white and silver.

    The KC Heartbreakers (Heart of America). Red, white and orange.

    The KC Stockers (known for stockyards). Brown, black and green.[/quote]

    Call me a stickler for authenticity, but the KC Mississippi Rivers colors should be brown and baby poop green. At no point in its path is the river blue.[/quote]
    Well, if that’s the case…it should be the KC MISSOURI Rivers since the Mississippi River is on the other side of the state in St. Louis.

    Personally, I vote for the KC Chefs…they could have the same colors as the Chiefs and all fans have to do is cover the “i” when going to watch some puck-slapping!

    Great Googily Moogily!

    Kansas City Tornados? lol might not sit well for people who had their house destroyed by one though

    [quote comment=”32129″][quote comment=”32122″][quote comment=”32074″]The KC Mississippi Rivers. Blue, white and silver.

    The KC Calicos. Black, white and orange.

    The KC Fountains (City of Fountains). Blue, white and silver.

    The KC Heartbreakers (Heart of America). Red, white and orange.

    The KC Stockers (known for stockyards). Brown, black and green.[/quote]

    Call me a stickler for authenticity, but the KC Mississippi Rivers colors should be brown and baby poop green. At no point in its path is the river blue.[/quote]
    Well, if that’s the case…it should be the KC MISSOURI Rivers since the Mississippi River is on the other side of the state in St. Louis.

    Personally, I vote for the KC Chefs…they could have the same colors as the Chiefs and all fans have to do is cover the “i” when going to watch some puck-slapping!

    Great Googily Moogily![/quote]

    And don’t forget, the Kansas River meets up with the missouri river here in the city!

    [quote comment=”32129″]
    Personally, I vote for the KC Chefs…they could have the same colors as the Chiefs and all fans have to do is cover the “i” when going to watch some puck-slapping!

    Great Googily Moogily![/quote]

    As funny as the commercial is, I’m sure it was done with the blessing of the NFL and the team (though I’m only guessing). I can’t imagine that another sports team with similar colors and a similar name would be accepted.

    As I told I client once, “I love that idea. Too bad it won’t work. I’ll give you points for creativity.”

    [quote comment=”32121″]

    There was a 5OT game in (I think) 2000: Penguins vs. Flyers.[/quote]

    Also correct. Keith Primeau scored on Ron Tugnutt to end that game. “On May 5, 2000, Primeau scored the game-winning goal in the longest game in modern NHL playoff history”. That game lasted 152 minutes and one second. Only two games have been longer, one in 1933 and the other in 1936.

    [quote comment=”32133″][quote comment=”32129″]
    Personally, I vote for the KC Chefs…they could have the same colors as the Chiefs and all fans have to do is cover the “i” when going to watch some puck-slapping!

    Great Googily Moogily![/quote]

    As funny as the commercial is, I’m sure it was done with the blessing of the NFL and the team (though I’m only guessing). I can’t imagine that another sports team with similar colors and a similar name would be accepted.

    As I told I client once, “I love that idea. Too bad it won’t work. I’ll give you points for creativity.”[/quote]
    Awwwww…BOOOOOO!!!

    But yeah, that was a GREAT commercial. I’m not too sure that they neede the NFL’s permission…they never said “Chiefs” in the ad nor did they show the logo as far as I can recall.

    [quote comment=”32133″][quote comment=”32129″]
    Personally, I vote for the KC Chefs…they could have the same colors as the Chiefs and all fans have to do is cover the “i” when going to watch some puck-slapping!

    Great Googily Moogily![/quote]

    As funny as the commercial is, I’m sure it was done with the blessing of the NFL and the team (though I’m only guessing). I can’t imagine that another sports team with similar colors and a similar name would be accepted.

    As I told I client once, “I love that idea. Too bad it won’t work. I’ll give you points for creativity.”[/quote]

    Calling them the Chiefs would also be a great reference to one of the funniest hockey movies ever: Slapshot.

    link

    [quote comment=”32135″]
    Awwwww…BOOOOOO!!!

    But yeah, that was a GREAT commercial. I’m not too sure that they neede the NFL’s permission…they never said “Chiefs” in the ad nor did they show the logo as far as I can recall.[/quote]

    True. You’d be surprised how well trademarks are protected today from parody, though. (And commercials aren’t considered parody, since they’re commercial use.) So I was guessing that the Snickers ad was done with someone’s blessing. But it’s just a guess.

    [quote comment=”32083″][quote comment=”32080″] Wasn’t it Washington vs Pittsburgh that went like into 5 playoff OT’s like 10 or 15 years ago?, I know the Capitals were involved, but I’m not sure if it was the Penguins or not, maybe the Islanders?..You got the link to that article Banker Bill?[/quote]

    It was the Isles.

    April 18, 1987 – Pat LaFontaine scores at 8:42 of quadruple overtime as the Islanders beat the Washington Capitals 4-3 in Game Seven of the Patrick Division semifinals.[/quote]
    that’s what I call Game Seven Heaven, thanks Teebz

    [quote comment=”32134″][quote comment=”32121″]

    There was a 5OT game in (I think) 2000: Penguins vs. Flyers.[/quote]

    Also correct. Keith Primeau scored on Ron Tugnutt to end that game. “On May 5, 2000, Primeau scored the game-winning goal in the longest game in modern NHL playoff history”. That game lasted 152 minutes and one second. Only two games have been longer, one in 1933 and the other in 1936.[/quote]

    Wow, I’m not a big hockey fan, but I remember that game well. I was in college and my two room-mates were Flyers and Pens fans, respectively. We were all planning on going out to a bar that night to celebrate the end of the semester, but we had to wait until the game ended–if I recall, we never made it out, but that was one hell of a game.

    [quote comment=”32136″]
    Calling them the Chiefs would also be a great reference to one of the funniest hockey movies ever: Slapshot.

    link

    The Johnstown Chiefs actually exist. They are an ECHL team. They are the only team that hasn’t changed their name since joining the league. The Chiefs play their home games in the Cambria County War Memorial Arena in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, where most of the hockey scenes in Slap Shot were filmed. The team colors are black, gold and white due to an affiliation with the Bruins, and the Chiefs’ road uniforms are based on 1970s Bruins jerseys. They are now part of the Tampa Bay Lightning system.

    However, I didn’t know this: “The owners originally wanted to name the team the Jets in honor of a team that had played in Johnstown from 1950 to 1977, mostly in the Eastern Hockey League. However, the old Jets’ former owners still held the trademark for the name and refused to allow the new team to use it. Fortunately, they had a second choice. The hockey cult movie Slap Shot had been filmed in Johnstown, and featured a minor league team called the Charlestown Chiefs. The owners readily jumped on the tie-in, and the Johnstown Chiefs were born. It is the only original ECHL franchise still based in its original city.”

    [quote comment=”32140″][quote comment=”32134″][quote comment=”32121″]

    There was a 5OT game in (I think) 2000: Penguins vs. Flyers.[/quote]

    Also correct. Keith Primeau scored on Ron Tugnutt to end that game. “On May 5, 2000, Primeau scored the game-winning goal in the longest game in modern NHL playoff history”. That game lasted 152 minutes and one second. Only two games have been longer, one in 1933 and the other in 1936.[/quote]

    Wow, I’m not a big hockey fan, but I remember that game well. I was in college and my two room-mates were Flyers and Pens fans, respectively. We were all planning on going out to a bar that night to celebrate the end of the semester, but we had to wait until the game ended–if I recall, we never made it out, but that was one hell of a game.[/quote]

    I’ve got a t-shirt the Flyers made after that game. It has the relavant stats. Score, time, # of drinks, # of pizzas ordered, etc.

    [quote comment=”32106″][quote comment=”32099″]sorry html skills needs work
    (does the link button not work?)

    link
    So, to sum up…The Penguins had a group lined up that would build a stadium for free. The local Gov. gave the gaming rights to another company who wants to build near Heinz and PNC, but, and this kills me, the Steelers and Pirates don’t want it.

    What the Hell is going on in Pittsburgh politics?[/quote]

    In reference to the “Moves we’d make” section of this article, let me say this for the Caps. As a resident of the DC metro area, I’d have to guess one of the biggest reasons for low attendance at Caps games (and other DC teams) is the horrible traffic congestion the area faces.

    I only live about 30 miles outside of DC in virginia, I would love to get to some more games, but it sometimes takes me more than 2 hours to get into the city! Add to that the time it takes to get on trains or find parking, and it gets to the point where you pretty much need to take half a day off work if you want to get there in time for the face off. So I prefer to just watch most games on TV.

    [quote comment=”32143″]
    I’ve got a t-shirt the Flyers made after that game. It has the relavant stats. Score, time, # of drinks, # of pizzas ordered, etc.[/quote]

    I went to the game played after that one, where the defenseman. . . what was his name . . . scored a goal seconds into it to start his hat trick.

    That ESPN article on the hocky team edition of musical chairs has the situation in washington somewhat wrong. The reason people don’t go to caps games is because…oh…maybe because they don’t WIN. Sure, they have the most exciting player in the league, but they still haven’t put together a consistent season since maybe 2000. Also, I’m not so sure anyone in DC likes Ted Leonsis. Not only did he go Dan Snyder-style by hiring a bunch of high-priced guys who weren’t an actual team (not to mention the fact that he runs AOL. THAT will make anyone popular…).

    With the drop in attendance at hockey games, does anyone think the NHL might do what a lot of MLS teams are doing and build smaller arenas? That trend in the MLS has led to some really nice, comfortable, and intimate stadiums which provide a nice environment for watching sports. Plus, when you have an 11,000-seat stadium, an attendance of 11,000 certainly looks a lot better.

    [quote comment=”32134″][quote comment=”32121″]

    There was a 5OT game in (I think) 2000: Penguins vs. Flyers.[/quote]

    Also correct. Keith Primeau scored on Ron Tugnutt to end that game. “On May 5, 2000, Primeau scored the game-winning goal in the longest game in modern NHL playoff history”. That game lasted 152 minutes and one second. Only two games have been longer, one in 1933 and the other in 1936.[/quote]
    wasn’t that one of the games that the NHL wanted to get away from? hence the reason for bringing shootout (which I like, but not in the playoffs)I’m not 100% for the shootout, but it seems to be a good addition thus far. the point system is screwed, the winner should get three points, and the loser only one, or two for the winner, and none for the loser, right now it’s 2 for the winner and 1 for the loser.

    Oh yeah…I forgot to congratulate Vince on making it into the big leagues. Congrats, and great post.

    [quote comment=”32145″][quote comment=”32143″]
    I’ve got a t-shirt the Flyers made after that game. It has the relavant stats. Score, time, # of drinks, # of pizzas ordered, etc.[/quote]

    I went to the game played after that one, where the defenseman. . . what was his name . . . scored a goal seconds into it to start his hat trick.[/quote]

    Andy Delmore… currently playing for the Springfield Falcons, Tampa Bay’s AHL affiliate.

    [quote comment=”32147″][quote comment=”32134″][quote comment=”32121″]

    There was a 5OT game in (I think) 2000: Penguins vs. Flyers.[/quote]

    Also correct. Keith Primeau scored on Ron Tugnutt to end that game. “On May 5, 2000, Primeau scored the game-winning goal in the longest game in modern NHL playoff history”. That game lasted 152 minutes and one second. Only two games have been longer, one in 1933 and the other in 1936.[/quote]
    wasn’t that one of the games that the NHL wanted to get away from? hence the reason for bringing shootout (which I like, but not in the playoffs)I’m not 100% for the shootout, but it seems to be a good addition thus far. the point system is screwed, the winner should get three points, and the loser only one, or two for the winner, and none for the loser, right now it’s 2 for the winner and 1 for the loser.[/quote]

    I like the shootout in the regular season – but you HAVE to have overtimes in the playoffs. I like soccer, but having the World Cup decided by penalty kicks is completely asinine. You can’t have any kind of championship determined by a practice exercise. Imagine – game 7, World Series, tie score…nope no extra innings – let’s have a home run derby determine the winner.

    Reference the KC Scouts debate. Although the original logo was an Indian Scout, you could easily change this to a US Cavalry Scout (Vicinity to Fort Riley).
    Colors would naturally be:
    Light Blue Pants
    Dark Blue Sweater with Gold accents
    Black helmets (to mimic stetsons)

    [quote comment=”31902″]Well done, Vince!

    I love the Brownie logo. I ALMOST wish I could sport one in public, but as a Steeler fan, that’s just not possible.[/quote]

    A lifelong Bengal fan, I’m sworn to hate the Browns. But Brownie is the best NFL logo. Now if they turn him into a ‘rioded up super brownie; I will burn Cleveland to the ground

    I wish Oregon State would leave Benny Beaver alone. Old Benny: yea!! link

    Sonic the Hedge-Beaver: Boo!
    link

    Speaking of shootouts – puckheads, again I ask your opinions..

    In overtime, when a goal is scored, the goal and assists are counted in the players stats. In a shootout, the goalie for the winning team is credited with a win, yet nobody is given credit for the goals scored. If NOTHING else, shouldn’t the winning goal scorer be credited with a goal – on the official NHL score sheet, they list who scored the winning goal, yet it is never added to the statistics.

    Whattaya think folks?

    Maybe the Browns should incorporate more mythology into its tradition, like pixies, fairies, unicorns, and the prospects of winning another NFL championship.

    [quote comment=”32153″]Speaking of shootouts – puckheads, again I ask your opinions..

    In overtime, when a goal is scored, the goal and assists are counted in the players stats. In a shootout, the goalie for the winning team is credited with a win, yet nobody is given credit for the goals scored. If NOTHING else, shouldn’t the winning goal scorer be credited with a goal – on the official NHL score sheet, they list who scored the winning goal, yet it is never added to the statistics.

    Whattaya think folks?[/quote]
    I agree, good point

    [quote comment=”32147″]
    wasn’t that one of the games that the NHL wanted to get away from? hence the reason for bringing shootout (which I like, but not in the playoffs)I’m not 100% for the shootout, but it seems to be a good addition thus far. the point system is screwed, the winner should get three points, and the loser only one, or two for the winner, and none for the loser, right now it’s 2 for the winner and 1 for the loser.[/quote]

    Not at all. The playoffs will always remain with a winner and a loser. The shootout is for regular season only. OT in the Stanley Cup playoffs is as dramatic is a bottom-of-the-9th-inning, game seven walk-off homerun in the World Series or a 55-yard field goal in the Super Bowl with no time remaining. It is the defining moment in the playoffs of the NHL, especially when it means so much in terms of momentum.

    [quote comment=”32153″]Speaking of shootouts – puckheads, again I ask your opinions..

    In overtime, when a goal is scored, the goal and assists are counted in the players stats. In a shootout, the goalie for the winning team is credited with a win, yet nobody is given credit for the goals scored. If NOTHING else, shouldn’t the winning goal scorer be credited with a goal – on the official NHL score sheet, they list who scored the winning goal, yet it is never added to the statistics.

    Whattaya think folks?[/quote]

    Overtime is considered regulation time, meaning that all points and PIMs are recorded. Since the shootout is played outside of regulation time, the points are not awarded.

    I think the state of Wisconsin should get an NHL team, it’s got hockey ingredients: snow, cold weather, rabid fans and lots of BEER!

    [quote comment=”32151″]Reference the KC Scouts debate. Although the original logo was an Indian Scout, you could easily change this to a US Cavalry Scout (Vicinity to Fort Riley).
    Colors would naturally be:
    Light Blue Pants
    Dark Blue Sweater with Gold accents
    Black helmets (to mimic stetsons)[/quote]

    You mean like the Barney Rubble Hairpieces uniforms, but with a black helmet?

    [quote comment=”32157″][quote comment=”32147″]
    wasn’t that one of the games that the NHL wanted to get away from? hence the reason for bringing shootout (which I like, but not in the playoffs)I’m not 100% for the shootout, but it seems to be a good addition thus far. the point system is screwed, the winner should get three points, and the loser only one, or two for the winner, and none for the loser, right now it’s 2 for the winner and 1 for the loser.[/quote]

    Not at all. The playoffs will always remain with a winner and a loser. The shootout is for regular season only. OT in the Stanley Cup playoffs is as dramatic is a bottom-of-the-9th-inning, game seven walk-off homerun in the World Series or a 55-yard field goal in the Super Bowl with no time remaining. It is the defining moment in the playoffs of the NHL, especially when it means so much in terms of momentum.[/quote]
    you can’t compare field goals to overtime winners, or bottom of the ninth dingers.

    [quote comment=”32159″][quote comment=”32153″]Speaking of shootouts – puckheads, again I ask your opinions..

    In overtime, when a goal is scored, the goal and assists are counted in the players stats. In a shootout, the goalie for the winning team is credited with a win, yet nobody is given credit for the goals scored. If NOTHING else, shouldn’t the winning goal scorer be credited with a goal – on the official NHL score sheet, they list who scored the winning goal, yet it is never added to the statistics.

    Whattaya think folks?[/quote]

    Overtime is considered regulation time, meaning that all points and PIMs are recorded. Since the shootout is played outside of regulation time, the points are not awarded.[/quote]

    I understand that, but I can’t see how the goalie gets credit for the win – that is a goaltender statistic – shows in his record. How can one player have a benefit to their statistics based on their performace in a shootout when other players can’t? Doesn’t it seem a little unfair to the skaters? I know some people will say “It’ll inflate the goal scorers stats.” Unless you have a 20-something round shootout, nobody can score more than 1 goal in a shootout. I just want equality for the Marek Maliks of the world that score these beautiful goals and get nothing but a worthless ESPY award for them.

    [quote comment=”32100″]b. i dont know how ANY browns fan can say anything bad about the “dawg” logo. that logo represents YOU THE FAN! without the fan there would never have been the dawg logo.[/quote]

    No offense TK, but I completely disagree.

    The Dawg Pound came about organically, specifically from two Browns team members and thereafter adopted by the fans in a certain section.

    By the time the Browns were leaving in 1995, the Dawg Pound theme was getting a bit worn out as the team little resembled the Browns defenses that inspired the moniker. What kept it going was the fans in that specific section who brought it to life.

    A lot of those original guys that started barking in 1984 have given up their tickets or have been replaced by friends and family members. Nowadays, being in the Dawg Pound is just a license to be a little louder, drunker and crazier than other sections. But it’s nothing like the old Dawg Pound.

    The aforementioned logos were not developed to celebrate the fan, but to capitalize on fans that wanted to pretend they sat in those bleacher seats at old Municipal Stadium. Because the team had no identity or players until late in 1999, the team used the Dawg Pound logo on everything as a way to sell merchandise.

    Sorry, for the soapbox rant, I don’t mean to keep bringing this up.

    [quote comment=”32163″]]
    you can’t compare field goals to overtime winners, or bottom of the ninth dingers.[/quote]

    Yes, you can. They end the game, just like OT goals do, and result in one team winning and one team losing. How are they different?

    Interesting note buried deep in an article on washingtonpost.com about the Caps practicing on an outdoor rink.

    “The Capitals had accepted an invitation from Chevy Chase Club to hold a practice at its private rink. And although the ice surface was smaller than regulation and the mid-morning sun forced goaltender Olie Kolzig to use eye black, everyone seemed to enjoy the experience, even if it didn’t help them forget about the Lightning loss.”

    I’m on the lookout for pictures of this.

    [quote comment=”32159″][quote comment=”32153″]Speaking of shootouts – puckheads, again I ask your opinions..

    In overtime, when a goal is scored, the goal and assists are counted in the players stats. In a shootout, the goalie for the winning team is credited with a win, yet nobody is given credit for the goals scored. If NOTHING else, shouldn’t the winning goal scorer be credited with a goal – on the official NHL score sheet, they list who scored the winning goal, yet it is never added to the statistics.

    Whattaya think folks?[/quote]

    Overtime is considered regulation time, meaning that all points and PIMs are recorded. Since the shootout is played outside of regulation time, the points are not awarded.[/quote]

    OK – here’s another flaw in that logic/rule…players are penalized in regulation time or overtime and have to serve their penalties. Shootout is not considered “regulation time” – say a Brendan Shanahan got a game misconduct earlier in the game. By that theory, regulation time is over and he could come back for the shootout. Lots of holes in the NHL shootout, don’t you think?

    Do you think Troy Smith dropped $480 of his own coin on that Brownie Throwback jacket? THe NCAA rules cops don’t need an excuse to bust heads.

    [quote comment=”32166″][quote comment=”32163″]]
    you can’t compare field goals to overtime winners, or bottom of the ninth dingers.[/quote]

    Yes, you can. They end the game, just like OT goals do, and result in one team winning and one team losing. How are they different?[/quote]
    they’re definenately (

    Teebz, talking hockey with you gets me through my day. Wish we could meet at a sports pub and drink a few cold ones and discuss all things puck.

    I actually want to open a hockey themed sports bar – call it the Penalty Box and have all my bartenders wear referee jerseys.

    [quote comment=”32101″]bellicose and pugnacious
    bless you.[/quote]

    Ha! You funny, Broker75. This and your other post about mumbling…I hope you’re not doing that at work!

    [quote comment=”32173″]Teebz, talking hockey with you gets me through my day. Wish we could meet at a sports pub and drink a few cold ones and discuss all things puck.

    I actually want to open a hockey themed sports bar – call it the Penalty Box and have all my bartenders wear referee jerseys.[/quote]

    you should call it “the sin bin”.
    My $0.02

    [quote comment=”32172″][quote comment=”32166″][quote comment=”32163″]]
    you can’t compare field goals to overtime winners, or bottom of the ninth dingers.[/quote]

    Yes, you can. They end the game, just like OT goals do, and result in one team winning and one team losing. How are they different?[/quote]
    they’re definenately ([/quote]
    what the hell was that??? computer brain freeze I guess. What I meant was field goals aren’t as exciting is all

    [quote comment=”32164″]
    I understand that, but I can’t see how the goalie gets credit for the win – that is a goaltender statistic – shows in his record. How can one player have a benefit to their statistics based on their performace in a shootout when other players can’t? Doesn’t it seem a little unfair to the skaters? I know some people will say “It’ll inflate the goal scorers stats.” Unless you have a 20-something round shootout, nobody can score more than 1 goal in a shootout. I just want equality for the Marek Maliks of the world that score these beautiful goals and get nothing but a worthless ESPY award for them.[/quote]

    Goalies’ win-loss stats are recorded exactly the same way that wins and losses are recorded in the NHL for teams. When Ron Tugnutt got pulled in favour of Kari Lehtonen during a shootout, he got a no decision, even though he played the entire game. Lehtonen lost the shootout and was credited with the loss. Why? Because the goaltender is the only player on the ice for the entire game, including the shootout. Even though, he wasn’t responsible for the goals scored during the game, Lehtonen becomes responsible for his team in the shootout.

    [quote comment=”32173″]Teebz, talking hockey with you gets me through my day. Wish we could meet at a sports pub and drink a few cold ones and discuss all things puck.

    I actually want to open a hockey themed sports bar – call it the Penalty Box and have all my bartenders wear referee jerseys.[/quote]
    I’ll support ya, only if the female bartender and waitress’ sport a “meshed” referee jersey.

    I still don’t like it…

    By the way – Ron Tugnutt is THE GREATEST OALIE NAME IN HISTORY!

    You can’t have a playmaking center with the last name “Tugnutt”.

    [quote comment=”32174″][quote comment=”32101″]bellicose and pugnacious
    bless you.[/quote]

    Ha! You funny, Broker75. This and your other post about mumbling…I hope you’re not doing that at work![/quote]
    ahhh,..yes, I live in a fantasy world, and I’m living it(TM)

    Nice one, Teebz, comin’ up with Andy Delmore there. Still the only rookie defenseman to score a hat trick in an NHL playoff game.

    [quote comment=”32080″] Wasn’t it Washington vs Pittsburgh that went like into 5 playoff OT’s like 10 or 15 years ago?, I know the Capitals were involved, but I’m not sure if it was the Penguins or not, maybe the Islanders?[/quote]

    You are correct, sir! (Hihoooo!) Ten years after that Caps/Isles marathon, on April 24-25, 1996, the Caps went four overtimes against the Penguins, until Petr Nedved scored at 2:22 a.m.

    I still remember that Pens/Flyers 5-OT game. Primeau got around Darius Kasparaitis and scored that goal at 2:35 a.m. — exactly 7 hours after the game started.

    Now, check out what I found on eBay. I don’t even know what to think about this — one of the all-time great logos slapped onto a sartorial atrocity:

    link

    [quote comment=”32177″][quote comment=”32173″]Teebz, talking hockey with you gets me through my day. Wish we could meet at a sports pub and drink a few cold ones and discuss all things puck.

    I actually want to open a hockey themed sports bar – call it the Penalty Box and have all my bartenders wear referee jerseys.[/quote]

    you should call it “the sin bin”.
    My $0.02[/quote]
    in which currency, this matters eh.

    [quote comment=”32170″]
    OK – here’s another flaw in that logic/rule…players are penalized in regulation time or overtime and have to serve their penalties. Shootout is not considered “regulation time” – say a Brendan Shanahan got a game misconduct earlier in the game. By that theory, regulation time is over and he could come back for the shootout. Lots of holes in the NHL shootout, don’t you think?[/quote]

    A game misconduct is the removal of the player from the game until its completion. The game is not over at the end of regulation time if the game is still tied. The shootout is considered part of the game because the game can not remained tied by today’s rules.

    [quote comment=”32179″][quote comment=”32164″]
    I understand that, but I can’t see how the goalie gets credit for the win – that is a goaltender statistic – shows in his record. How can one player have a benefit to their statistics based on their performace in a shootout when other players can’t? Doesn’t it seem a little unfair to the skaters? I know some people will say “It’ll inflate the goal scorers stats.” Unless you have a 20-something round shootout, nobody can score more than 1 goal in a shootout. I just want equality for the Marek Maliks of the world that score these beautiful goals and get nothing but a worthless ESPY award for them.[/quote]

    Goalies’ win-loss stats are recorded exactly the same way that wins and losses are recorded in the NHL for teams. When Ron Tugnutt got pulled in favour of Kari Lehtonen during a shootout, he got a no decision, even though he played the entire game. Lehtonen lost the shootout and was credited with the loss. Why? Because the goaltender is the only player on the ice for the entire game, including the shootout. Even though, he wasn’t responsible for the goals scored during the game, Lehtonen becomes responsible for his team in the shootout.[/quote]
    sounds similar to MLB with relief pitchers taking the loss in relief, doesn’t it? Also, Lehtonen was in net for the deciding goal.

    [quote comment=”32173″]Teebz, talking hockey with you gets me through my day. Wish we could meet at a sports pub and drink a few cold ones and discuss all things puck.

    I actually want to open a hockey themed sports bar – call it the Penalty Box and have all my bartenders wear referee jerseys.[/quote]

    Totally. That would be my HNIC hangout. “The Sin Bin” is a cool name, but could be mistaken for for another kind of bar, especially with those mesh waitress uniforms. ;o)

    [quote comment=”32100″]a. i havent been able to find this t shirt in the browns store. its a must have based on the size, simplicity and retro feel of the logo.
    link

    still waiting…

    [quote comment=”32110″]

    Also, it made me think about link that seems to be making a comeback!

    Good Stuff!!![/quote]
    Here’s a link at the old Saints logo.[/quote]

    It looks like Snoopy wearing a Saints helmet.[/quote]
    or Jay Leno[/quote]

    i thought this was a dead on ringer for snidely whiplash (after an online shopping spree at helmet hut’s gridioronmemories.com)
    link

    [quote comment=”32184″]Nice one, Teebz, comin’ up with Andy Delmore there. Still the only rookie defenseman to score a hat trick in an NHL playoff game.

    link

    That was a great call. Andy Delmore. You know, a friend of mine used to have Springfield Falcons season tickets.

    As for the uniform. . . . YEEEEEEEACK! Though, it’s always good to see the Nords logo. I bought my sister some Nords stuff when I visited Quebec back when I was in high school (I had a pen pal there and stayed with her family for a week). To this day, she still has the boxer shorts (go figure, the gag gift has lasted).

    [quote comment=”32181″]I still don’t like it…

    By the way – Ron Tugnutt is THE GREATEST OALIE NAME IN HISTORY!

    You can’t have a playmaking center with the last name “Tugnutt”.[/quote]

    Little bit of irony if he pulls a groin

    [quote comment=”32185″][quote comment=”32177″][quote comment=”32173″]Teebz, talking hockey with you gets me through my day. Wish we could meet at a sports pub and drink a few cold ones and discuss all things puck.

    I actually want to open a hockey themed sports bar – call it the Penalty Box and have all my bartenders wear referee jerseys.[/quote]

    you should call it “the sin bin”.
    My $0.02[/quote]
    in which currency, this matters eh.[/quote]

    In Fort Worth, we have a divey sports bar called “The Penalty Box”. Not much hockey talk – it takes a backseat to football talk around here unfortunately. Feel free to open a franchise though!

    [quote comment=”32152″][quote comment=”31902″]Well done, Vince!

    I love the Brownie logo. I ALMOST wish I could sport one in public, but as a Steeler fan, that’s just not possible.[/quote]

    A lifelong Bengal fan, I’m sworn to hate the Browns.

    But Brownie is the best NFL logo. Now if they turn him into a ‘rioded up super brownie; I will burn Cleveland to the ground

    I wish Oregon State would leave Benny Beaver alone. Old Benny: yea!! link

    Sonic the Hedge-Beaver: Boo!
    link

    Not to mention he looks scared out of his mind after being flung through the air by a three-man sling shot.

    Andy Delmore was hated by me for years after that game. He and Primeau basically killed the Penguins in that series. He was almost as hated as David Volek was in 1993. That 1993 loss to the Isles almost killed me. A small part of me died that afternoon. I remember exactly where I was when the Islanders eliminated the Penguins.

    Funny how the brain works like that. :o)

    [quote comment=”31926″]Good job Vince.

    With all the Iverson footage being shown over the past few weeks, I was reminded of how bad some of the Sixers unis have been over the past 15 years. The exception was the kit from 1994-97 link. The white home unis (not shown) looked really sharp.

    I never got why they went away from these after such a short time.[/quote]
    The 76ers do have some bad jerseys. For a team with a patriotic name, their logos are link in their lack of any obvious patriotic theme. Their color combinations are upsetting. I never liked their link jerseys and the link make me want to wash my eyes out with soap. I’d like to see any jersey with link across the front and the red/white/blue combo.
    Also, when and why was link worn?

    [quote comment=”32173″]Teebz, talking hockey with you gets me through my day. Wish we could meet at a sports pub and drink a few cold ones and discuss all things puck.

    I actually want to open a hockey themed sports bar – call it the Penalty Box and have all my bartenders wear referee jerseys.[/quote]

    Just make sure they were link and not link, but linkwill be a little classier than mesh

    [quote comment=”32178″][quote comment=”32172″][quote comment=”32166″][quote comment=”32163″]]
    you can’t compare field goals to overtime winners, or bottom of the ninth dingers.[/quote]

    Yes, you can. They end the game, just like OT goals do, and result in one team winning and one team losing. How are they different?[/quote]

    What I meant was field goals aren’t as exciting is all[/quote]
    just making sure you got that Teebz, my computer is screwed, maybe I should get rid of the dial up.

    [quote comment=”32203″][quote comment=”32178″]
    What I meant was field goals aren’t as exciting is all[/quote]
    just making sure you got that Teebz, my computer is screwed, maybe I should get rid of the dial up.[/quote]

    Gotcha. However, a 50-yard kick to win the Bowl is still pretty exciting if you like the NFL, especially if it’s your team.

    Personally, not my thing.

    [quote comment=”32202″][quote comment=”32173″]Teebz, talking hockey with you gets me through my day. Wish we could meet at a sports pub and drink a few cold ones and discuss all things puck.

    I actually want to open a hockey themed sports bar – call it the Penalty Box and have all my bartenders wear referee jerseys.[/quote]

    Just make sure they were link and not link, but linkwill be a little classier than mesh[/quote]
    you my dear, are hired!

    Do we ever run out of “the codes” that are required to post? like the e4f3 things? Paul? Vince? Mr.Gates?
    I think we’re gonna break 300 if this keeps up, what is the record anyways?

    Tornadoes would be a good name for a team in Kansas City. The whole “offensive to the people who live there” argument doesn’t work. The Carolinas have been hit by hurricanes numerous times, and yet the hockey team is named the Hurricanes. And when the south Louisiana parish of Plaquemines was devastated by a hurricane, necessitating the merger of three of the parish’s high schools, what mascot was chosen? Not one of the three old mascots, but a new one: Hurricanes

    [quote comment=”32201″]Also, when and why was link worn?[/quote]

    This has been asked many times on this board. They wore ’em for a couple of exhibition games in Europe before this season, I think in Spain. (Are the shoulder graphics the colors of the Spanish flag? I’m colorblind.)

    I really liked the Sixers jerseys from my childhood (those would be the 78-91 jerseys). Simple and classy.

    Notice how the copy worn by Iverson doesn’t have the same font thickness as the originals do.

    I was highly disappointed in the Pat Croce-era redesign (though the blue jerseys don’t bug me like they do everyone else). I was really disappointed in Charles Barkley’s number being retired with the new logo. The old logo didn’t have a patriotic theme – link.

    [quote comment=”32201″][quote comment=”31926″]Good job Vince.

    With all the Iverson footage being shown over the past few weeks, I was reminded of how bad some of the Sixers unis have been over the past 15 years. The exception was the kit from 1994-97 link. The white home unis (not shown) looked really sharp.

    I never got why they went away from these after such a short time.[/quote]
    The 76ers do have some bad jerseys. For a team with a patriotic name, their logos are link in their lack of any obvious patriotic theme. Their color combinations are upsetting. I never liked their link jerseys and the link make me want to wash my eyes out with soap. I’d like to see any jersey with link across the front and the red/white/blue combo.
    Also, when and why was link worn?[/quote]

    [quote comment=”32201″][quote comment=”31926″]Good job Vince.

    With all the Iverson footage being shown over the past few weeks, I was reminded of how bad some of the Sixers unis have been over the past 15 years. The exception was the kit from 1994-97 link. The white home unis (not shown) looked really sharp.

    I never got why they went away from these after such a short time.[/quote]
    The 76ers do have some bad jerseys. For a team with a patriotic name, their logos are link in their lack of any obvious patriotic theme. Their color combinations are upsetting. I never liked their link jerseys and the link make me want to wash my eyes out with soap. I’d like to see any jersey with link across the front and the red/white/blue combo.
    Also, when and why was link worn?[/quote]

    Someone asked exactly the same question yesterday, but I have no problem answering it again. Several NBA teams played preseason games in Europe in October. To commemorate this, most of the NBA teams incorporated the colors of the host nation’s flag into their uniforms. The Sixers played a club team in Barcelona. Spain’s flag is is red and gold: link

    Full story is here: link

    Nothing like showing off a little flag knowledge to stroke the ego.

    [quote comment=”32201″][quote comment=”31926″]
    Also, when and why was link worn?[/quote]
    Holy Kenny Rogers’ hat!

    Man, are we a loquacious, vociferous, boisterous and obstreperous bunch today. MY BAD for the Mississippi faux pas—obviously, geography was not my thing.

    We’ve hit 260 before in comments—I think we will break that today.

    Hey, Banker B., if the female wait staff is wearing mesh or snug tops (with glitter on their decolletages), then I want the men to be topless and wearing tight jeans. With Ed Hochulis’s guns.

    Broker75, you really did get in the holiday spirits early, didn’t you? Ditch the dial-up. I switched about eight months ago, and I can’t imagine going back.

    [quote comment=”32216″]
    Hey, Banker B., if the female wait staff is wearing mesh or snug tops (with glitter on their decolletages), then I want the men to be topless and wearing tight jeans. With Ed Hochulis’s guns.
    [/quote]

    I’m voting both those ideas down. I say the wait staff has to wear an NHL jersey of some sort. Since there will be games playing every night there’s NHL hockey on, it would be great to have staff outfitted in jerseys. Besides, what better way to introduce yourself:

    “Hi, I’m Teebz, and I’ll be cheering for Pittsburgh while I’m serving you tonight.”

    [quote comment=”32212″]I really liked the Sixers jerseys from my childhood (those would be the 78-91 jerseys). Simple and classy.

    Notice how the copy worn by Iverson doesn’t have the same font thickness as the originals do.

    I was highly disappointed in the Pat Croce-era redesign (though the blue jerseys don’t bug me like they do everyone else). I was really disappointed in Charles Barkley’s number being retired with the new logo. The old logo didn’t have a patriotic theme – link.

    [quote comment=”32201″][quote comment=”31926″]Good job Vince.

    With all the Iverson footage being shown over the past few weeks, I was reminded of how bad some of the Sixers unis have been over the past 15 years. The exception was the kit from 1994-97 link. The white home unis (not shown) looked really sharp.

    I never got why they went away from these after such a short time.[/quote]
    The 76ers do have some bad jerseys. For a team with a patriotic name, their logos are link in their lack of any obvious patriotic theme. Their color combinations are upsetting. I never liked their link jerseys and the link make me want to wash my eyes out with soap. I’d like to see any jersey with link across the front and the red/white/blue combo.
    Also, when and why was link worn?[/quote][/quote]

    Those royal blues are the only current Sixers unis I do like.

    I can never tell if their darker unis are navy or black. I say – no Iversen means new era – change the logo back to the ball with 13 stars or go back even further to the PHILA years.

    [quote comment=”32218″][quote comment=”32216″]
    Hey, Banker B., if the female wait staff is wearing mesh or snug tops (with glitter on their decolletages), then I want the men to be topless and wearing tight jeans. With Ed Hochulis’s guns.
    [/quote]

    I’m voting both those ideas down. I say the wait staff has to wear an NHL jersey of some sort. Since there will be games playing every night there’s NHL hockey on, it would be great to have staff outfitted in jerseys. Besides, what better way to introduce yourself:

    “Hi, I’m Teebz, and I’ll be cheering for Pittsburgh while I’m serving you tonight.”[/quote]

    Yeah, that. Much better idea. Of course, I would be the obnoxious one saying, “Hi, I’m Minna, and I’ll be cheering for the North Stars—I mean, the Wild! while I’m serving you tonight.”

    [quote comment=”32213″][quote comment=”32201″][quote comment=”31926″]Good job Vince.

    With all the Iverson footage being shown over the past few weeks, I was reminded of how bad some of the Sixers unis have been over the past 15 years. The exception was the kit from 1994-97 link. The white home unis (not shown) looked really sharp.

    I never got why they went away from these after such a short time.[/quote]
    The 76ers do have some bad jerseys. For a team with a patriotic name, their logos are link in their lack of any obvious patriotic theme. Their color combinations are upsetting. I never liked their link jerseys and the link make me want to wash my eyes out with soap. I’d like to see any jersey with link across the front and the red/white/blue combo.
    Also, when and why was link worn?[/quote]

    Someone asked exactly the same question yesterday, but I have no problem answering it again. Several NBA teams played preseason games in Europe in October. To commemorate this, most of the NBA teams incorporated the colors of the host nation’s flag into their uniforms. The Sixers played a club team in Barcelona. Spain’s flag is is red and gold: link

    Full story is here: link

    Nothing like showing off a little flag knowledge to stroke the ego.[/quote]

    Now that I think about it, those shoulder stripes are probably meant to represent the flag of Catalunya, which is the province that Barcelona is in. Catalunya is to Spain kind of like what Texas is to the rest of the U.S.: almost like a whole different country. Catalan culture is a mix of Spanish, French, and Basque and people from this part of Spain have always been proud of how different they are from the rest of Spain. Catalan language and culture, including the flag were heavily suppressed under the dictatorship of Francisco Franco, but has reemerged since his death.

    Sorry if any of that came across as showing off, anyway, here’s the flag of Catalunya: link

    [quote comment=”32221″]
    Those royal blues are the only current Sixers unis I do like.

    I can never tell if their darker unis are navy or black. I say – no Iversen means new era – change the logo back to the ball with 13 stars or go back even further to the PHILA years.[/quote]

    If you take a look, the old logo has more than 13 stars. Oy.

    As for the blue, Pat Croce (back when he was in charge) said that it was officially called Chamberlain Blue. (I can’t find any reference to that, though.)

    [quote comment=”32222″][quote comment=”32218″][quote comment=”32216″]
    Hey, Banker B., if the female wait staff is wearing mesh or snug tops (with glitter on their decolletages), then I want the men to be topless and wearing tight jeans. With Ed Hochulis’s guns.
    [/quote]

    I’m voting both those ideas down. I say the wait staff has to wear an NHL jersey of some sort. Since there will be games playing every night there’s NHL hockey on, it would be great to have staff outfitted in jerseys. Besides, what better way to introduce yourself:

    “Hi, I’m Teebz, and I’ll be cheering for Pittsburgh while I’m serving you tonight.”[/quote]

    Yeah, that. Much better idea. Of course, I would be the obnoxious one saying, “Hi, I’m Minna, and I’ll be cheering for the North Stars—I mean, the Wild! while I’m serving you tonight.”[/quote]
    Can we go back? I vote for decolletage!

    [quote comment=”32225″]
    Can we go back? I vote for decolletage![/quote]

    Mr. Hochuli will be here to take your order momentarily, Mr. Metsfan AZ. :o)

    [quote comment=”32171″]Do you think Troy Smith dropped $480 of his own coin on that Brownie Throwback jacket? THe NCAA rules cops don’t need an excuse to bust heads.[/quote]

    There is one legal way he could have done it. If you are likely a first-round draft pick and about to gain a signing bonus in the neighborhood of $10 million, there are banks that are willing to loan you massive amounts of cash in advance, against what you will likely get for a bonus.

    [quote comment=”32226″][quote comment=”32225″]
    Can we go back? I vote for decolletage![/quote]

    Mr. Hochuli will be here to take your order momentarily, Mr. Metsfan AZ. :o)[/quote]

    After reviewing the play, the receiver caught the ball, kept one foot in bounds. However, his momentum was going at 3 kg m/s towards the end zone when the defender hit him at 9 kg m/s towards the white sideline. The player’s impetus changed the momentum, causing the second foot to minutely scrape the periphery of the field boundary. The ruling on the field stands. Incomplete pass.

    [quote comment=”32229″]
    After reviewing the play, the receiver caught the ball, kept one foot in bounds. However, his momentum was going at 3 kg m/s towards the end zone when the defender hit him at 9 kg m/s towards the white sideline. The player’s impetus changed the momentum, causing the second foot to minutely scrape the periphery of the field boundary. The ruling on the field stands. Incomplete pass.[/quote]

    “Great call on that play, Ed, but you forgot to tell him what the specials were. And you didn’t even get a drink order!”

    Oh man, I can’t stop laughing at the thought of Ed Hochuli getting reprimanded by an Applebee’s-like manager. :o)

    [quote comment=”32226″][quote comment=”32225″]
    Can we go back? I vote for decolletage![/quote]

    Mr. Hochuli will be here to take your order momentarily, Mr. Metsfan AZ. :o)[/quote]
    On second thought sweaters aren’t bad. Sweater tidbit – when i worked in Rutherford, NJ there was a little dry cleaning place that did the Devils sweaters. They would hang them in the window, kind of neat to see them there.

    Here’s my question. Why haven’t the Pens considered Seattle? They already have three other major sports teams, and I’m pretty sure that the T-Birds get decent numbers, even if they’re just a WHL team.

    [quote comment=”32230″]
    Oh man, I can’t stop laughing at the thought of Ed Hochuli getting reprimanded by an Applebee’s-like manager. :o)[/quote]

    Ed. . . I have to talk to you about your flair. . .

    [quote comment=”32230″][quote comment=”32229″]
    After reviewing the play, the receiver caught the ball, kept one foot in bounds. However, his momentum was going at 3 kg m/s towards the end zone when the defender hit him at 9 kg m/s towards the white sideline. The player’s impetus changed the momentum, causing the second foot to minutely scrape the periphery of the field boundary. The ruling on the field stands. Incomplete pass.[/quote]

    “Great call on that play, Ed, but you forgot to tell him what the specials were. And you didn’t even get a drink order!”

    Oh man, I can’t stop laughing at the thought of Ed Hochuli getting reprimanded by an Applebee’s-like manager. :o)[/quote]
    And then knocking down said manager with an emphatic lefthanded FIRST DOWN signal.

    great article on the Brownie Elf! One thing overlooked though is the fact that the Brownie looks remakably like Paul Brown! Anyone agree with me on this?

    [quote comment=”32234″][quote comment=”32230″][quote comment=”32229″]
    After reviewing the play, the receiver caught the ball, kept one foot in bounds. However, his momentum was going at 3 kg m/s towards the end zone when the defender hit him at 9 kg m/s towards the white sideline. The player’s impetus changed the momentum, causing the second foot to minutely scrape the periphery of the field boundary. The ruling on the field stands. Incomplete pass.[/quote]

    “Great call on that play, Ed, but you forgot to tell him what the specials were. And you didn’t even get a drink order!”

    Oh man, I can’t stop laughing at the thought of Ed Hochuli getting reprimanded by an Applebee’s-like manager. :o)[/quote]
    And then knocking down said manager with an emphatic lefthanded FIRST DOWN signal.[/quote]

    Hi, Ed. I’ll take one of you to go….

    [quote comment=”32237″][quote comment=”32234″][quote comment=”32230″][quote comment=”32229″]
    After reviewing the play, the receiver caught the ball, kept one foot in bounds. However, his momentum was going at 3 kg m/s towards the end zone when the defender hit him at 9 kg m/s towards the white sideline. The player’s impetus changed the momentum, causing the second foot to minutely scrape the periphery of the field boundary. The ruling on the field stands. Incomplete pass.[/quote]

    “Great call on that play, Ed, but you forgot to tell him what the specials were. And you didn’t even get a drink order!”

    Oh man, I can’t stop laughing at the thought of Ed Hochuli getting reprimanded by an Applebee’s-like manager. :o)[/quote]
    And then knocking down said manager with an emphatic lefthanded FIRST DOWN signal.[/quote]

    Hi, Ed. I’ll take one of you to go….[/quote]

    And a safety from Pittsburgh!!!!

    [quote comment=”32233″][quote comment=”32230″]
    Oh man, I can’t stop laughing at the thought of Ed Hochuli getting reprimanded by an Applebee’s-like manager. :o)[/quote]

    Ed. . . I have to talk to you about your flair. . .[/quote]

    “But, boss, I have the minimum. Don’t my guns count as flair?”

    [quote comment=”32238″][quote comment=”32237″][quote comment=”32234″][quote comment=”32230″][quote comment=”32229″]
    After reviewing the play, the receiver caught the ball, kept one foot in bounds. However, his momentum was going at 3 kg m/s towards the end zone when the defender hit him at 9 kg m/s towards the white sideline. The player’s impetus changed the momentum, causing the second foot to minutely scrape the periphery of the field boundary. The ruling on the field stands. Incomplete pass.[/quote]

    “Great call on that play, Ed, but you forgot to tell him what the specials were. And you didn’t even get a drink order!”

    Oh man, I can’t stop laughing at the thought of Ed Hochuli getting reprimanded by an Applebee’s-like manager. :o)[/quote]
    And then knocking down said manager with an emphatic lefthanded FIRST DOWN signal.[/quote]

    Hi, Ed. I’ll take one of you to go….[/quote]

    And a safety from Pittsburgh!!!![/quote]

    dchis, now you’re talking my kind of menu.

    Seattle? Why would the Penguins abandon one dumpy arena for another? Maybe you missed the part about the SuperSonics trying to leave the Key.

    [quote comment=”32106″][quote comment=”32099″]

    link
    So, to sum up…The Penguins had a group lined up that would build a stadium for free. The local Gov. gave the gaming rights to another company who wants to build near Heinz and PNC, but, and this kills me, the Steelers and Pirates don’t want it.

    What the Hell is going on in Pittsburgh politics?[/quote]

    Keep in mind, the group that decided on the groups that received the casino licenses were the PA Gambling board, not elected officials. They were supposed to make their selections based upon the best applicants to run the casino, and best locations for their construction. Sports arenas, Civil War museums and other promises were not (supposed to be) part of the process.

    There would be a twinge of irony if a casino decision causes the Penguins to move to Las Vegas.

    I could use a cup of tea right now.

    Where’s Ed? Is Ed taking my order?

    [quote comment=”32244″]Vince – Great stuff! Let’s hope this isn’t just a “cup of coffee”[/quote]

    Oregon update:

    I just saw a live spot from the Las Vegas Bowl on ESPN News, and the Ducks are wearing the “flame” helmets during helmets with green jerseys.

    They look a lot more green on tv than they did in the pictures here, but it might just be that goofy-ass paint reflecting weird.

    [quote comment=”32248″]Oregon update:

    I just saw a live spot from the Las Vegas Bowl on ESPN News, and the Ducks are wearing the “flame” helmets during helmets with green jerseys.

    They look a lot more green on tv than they did in the pictures here, but it might just be that goofy-ass paint reflecting weird.[/quote]

    Yikes – I should proofread… That should have read:

    “the Ducks are wearing the “flame” helmets during warm-ups with green jerseys.”

    The Texans have designated this coming Sunday’s game as Steel Blue Day, meaning the monochrome blue look, helmets, pants, jerseys. As a charter season ticket holder I have to ask… Haven’t I suffered enough?

    When it comes to moving the Pittsburgh Penguins, how about moving them out here to the West Coast. Oregon has a pretty good hockey base, and their dub’ attendance is pretty high. I have a buddy who plays for the Portland Winterhawks, and he says they have some pretty crazy fans. Its not like Portland has any good teams to watch anyways, so a pro hockey team could work there. Or Washington, just tear down Key Arena, sell the Sonics and move them to a new state, and build a new arena where Key is. Or last step, bring them up here to Vancouver. If Alberta and Ontario can have 2 teams, why cant we? :)

    I wish the ducks could’ve used white numbers. For some reason, that yellow with that crazy font really bothers me. Of course, it could just be me since the reflection off the helmets is making me blind.

    i dont think they’re that bad…. definitely not as bad as the pictures would suggest. I like the fade to green in the back and the O

    I just have standard def, do the knee pads and shoulder pads with the diamond pattern look solid white to everyone else?

    the shoulder pads and knee pads have a reflector effect causing it to look white from a distance.

    [quote comment=”32258″]The Texans have designated this coming Sunday’s game as Steel Blue Day, meaning the monochrome blue look, helmets, pants, jerseys. As a charter season ticket holder I have to ask… Haven’t I suffered enough?[/quote]

    I hope they don’t make it a habit like the Broncos or Seahawks. Something different would be the Battle Red tops with the Steel Blue pants. I wanna see how that works out.

    [quote comment=”32271″]I just have standard def, do the knee pads and shoulder pads with the diamond pattern look solid white to everyone else?[/quote]

    Yeah, from the press box camera. It’s actually kinda neat in that it offsets all the darkness. Now that I’ve gotten used to them, the helmets aren’t bad at all.

    The shoulders and knees do look very white from far away..

    But believe it or not..the helmets actually look pretty cool…everyone’s looks a little different because they change colors as the players move..

    They go from green to bright yellow as the light changes..

    I’m just not sure if I like the O logo on the back yet..or if it woulda looked better on the sides..

    After all the hoopla, I dig the new helmets. The accent on the front and the “O” logo on the back look good.
    But I do have one question:
    Why are the Ducks shoulders and knees glowing like the hockey puck on the old Fox Broadcasts?

    good to see you old timers likin oregon’s unis….those things are sweet as hell, of course they’re not ur classic uni but its oregon, no need to be classic, i like the fact they have some onions to do futuristic things and LOOK AT ‘EM, those things kick ass!!!

    [quote comment=”32129″][quote comment=”32122″][quote comment=”32074″]The KC Mississippi Rivers. Blue, white and silver.

    The KC Calicos. Black, white and orange.

    The KC Fountains (City of Fountains). Blue, white and silver.

    The KC Heartbreakers (Heart of America). Red, white and orange.

    The KC Stockers (known for stockyards). Brown, black and green.[/quote]

    Call me a stickler for authenticity, but the KC Mississippi Rivers colors should be brown and baby poop green. At no point in its path is the river blue.[/quote]
    Well, if that’s the case…it should be the KC MISSOURI Rivers since the Mississippi River is on the other side of the state in St. Louis.

    Personally, I vote for the KC Chefs…they could have the same colors as the Chiefs and all fans have to do is cover the “i” when going to watch some puck-slapping!

    Great Googily Moogily![/quote]

    The Kansas City Slapshots! YEA!!!!!!!

    Great topic. As a die hard Browns fan, I love the Brownie (glad to see it being used more lately) and hate the “Dawg” (as do most Browns fans I know. The article mentions marching bands in the 40’s…I always thought this was sweet…link

    this may be a little bit old but what’s with the Nuggets link they wore during the game vs. the Knicks? Are those supposed to be throwbacks or just something the team came up with at the last minute? They really don’t look very good.

    Wow, Oregon looks like a mix of really good and really ridiculous. I like the green and black jersey with the yellow helmet, but the reflecty bits and the pants are horrible.

    Hey, ESPN is showing “Starship Troopers” tonight. Oh, wait…that’s the Oregon Ducks playing. I acutally dig those helmets, but the unis leave a lot to be desired.

    [quote comment=”32279″]After all the hoopla, I dig the new helmets. The accent on the front and the “O” logo on the back look good.
    But I do have one question:
    Why are the Ducks shoulders and knees glowing like the hockey puck on the old Fox Broadcasts?[/quote]
    seriously, the shoulder and knee area are just so bright, especially in hd. from far away they look like a car’s headlights are right in front of the players, but when the camara is close it really doesn’t have the same effect. the helmets are alright, pretty cool, but the flames are non-existant when you see them on tv. they should have worn different uni’s though. the black ones look rediculous.

    On the other hand, I like BYU’s unis a lot. White with blue striping, blue pants..and especially the helmets covered in merit stickers.

    it looks as though Oregon has more of the diamond pattern than usual. It does look white at first look

    The Oregon/BYU game signifies everything that’s wrong (UofO) and everything that’s right (BYU) with college football unis. Those Oregon unis are atrocious.

    [quote comment=”32036″][quote comment=”32032″][quote comment=”32013″][quote comment=”31938″]

    (Minna – pugilistic is for your vocabulary builder today!!)[/quote]

    Nice, Banker B. I’m throwing in bellicose and pugnacious. Great job, Vince the Intern. Erudite and enlightening.[/quote]

    I’m still stuck on decolletage from the other day…

    :D[/quote]

    Original Jim, yead, I bet you are. It’s a good word on which to be stuck, no? am reading third Soos’ baseball mystery book. The front cover is great with a pic of Wrigley back in the day and of lettering on the plackets. You were the one who read the series, right?[/quote]

    Yes, I read the Soos books. It was so long ago though, that I can’t even remember which one of the Rawlings mysteries that I haven’t read.

    I was wrong: The Oregon helmets really don’t look that bad. Its the Jerseys and the diamond-plating on the shoulders that look bad (terrible).

    I was right: The Oregon unis make BYU look good! (Also Oregons pourous defense and an amazing passing game make BYU look good).

    those little markings on the shoulder pads are silly looking. heck, the whole thing is. they look like they are wearing shorts. i dont mind the helmets like i thought i would but where’s the “O?”

    And is it me, or does the BYU logo look like “Yahoo!”
    link

    Is there anything that generates as much talk on this site as Oregon unis? Does Paul kneel down every night and thank heaven for U of O?

    Teebz, Lawrence, Kansas is not minutes away from KC. It’s more like an hour away from KC (45 minutes depending on where you live). I think KC should honor Lamar Hunt by naming the NHL team the Kansas City Hunters. After all, Hunt honored Mayor Bartle by naming his team the Chiefs.

    The guys in the booth are talking about tearaway jerseys..I’m guessing it was a couple of years before my time?

    [quote comment=”32289″]Wow, Oregon looks like a mix of really good and really ridiculous. I like the green and black jersey with the yellow helmet, but the reflecty bits and the pants are horrible.[/quote]
    The thing that gets me about the shoulders is the way the jersey is constructed, the panel with the reflectors sits weird. The jersey only looks “right” from the front view. Any other angle and the reflectors look random at best. I see the same thing with other teams that have that cut of jersey. Michigan, Michigan State, OU, etc. but with them, the shoulder numbers don’t sit on the outside of the shoulder but because of the stretch of the fabric they are more on the front. Clearly Nike needs to rethink graphics on those shoulder panels.

    Classic line from Rich Eisen on NFL Network:
    “As you can see quite a bit of history here at Lambeau Field, this place reeks of history. The Home Depot Post Game Show is on the air…”

    Yep, nothing reeks of history like the Home Depot Post Game Show.

    [quote comment=”32117″]All this talk of Kansas City and the possible new NHL team names made me think of the Kansas City T-bones. The T-bones are a minor league baseball team (not even sure what level). They incorporate the BBQ identity with being so literal.

    link

    link

    The mascot they have walking around the stadium is named “Sizzler”. You gotta love it.

    link

    I dig the logo. Good name on the mascot as well, think of all the great promotions they could offer: bikini wrestling in A-1 sauce, steak eating contests… the opportunities are endless.

    Oh, and Milwaukee is a possibility.

    Man, what a boring game. I think the white unis are the best of the lot for the Vikes, but they can’t hold a candle to the Packers’ unis.

    Those ref outdoor unis? They have GOT to go. I looked ten times better watching the game, and I’m wearing my gray (no black available) UniWatch (TM) sweatshirt and black sweats with the ass sewn up. In other words—I’m no fashion-plate.

    Vince the Intern, take a bow for writing the entry that prduced the most comments EVER! Woo-hoo!

    Of course, Milwaukee is always a possibility.

    [quote comment=”32309″][quote comment=”32117″]All this talk of Kansas City and the possible new NHL team names made me think of the Kansas City T-bones. The T-bones are a minor league baseball team (not even sure what level). They incorporate the BBQ identity with being so literal.

    They play in the Northern League. It’s Double-A, independant baseball.

    [quote comment=”32302″]Teebz, Lawrence, Kansas is not minutes away from KC. It’s an hour.[/quote]

    It didn’t look that far on the map I was examining. That wasn’t my point, though. Do people flock to the University of Kansas like they do at UNC or Duke or Nebraska for sporting events?

    [quote comment=”32177″][quote comment=”32173″]Teebz, talking hockey with you gets me through my day. Wish we could meet at a sports pub and drink a few cold ones and discuss all things puck.

    I actually want to open a hockey themed sports bar – call it the Penalty Box and have all my bartenders wear referee jerseys.[/quote]

    you should call it “the sin bin”.
    My $0.02[/quote]

    Any establishment named the ‘sin bin’ should have feature topless waitresses, or is that a waitstaff showing ample decolletage? How’s that, Minna?

    Hey… Oregon wore those kind of mediocre yellow helmets (they sure didn’t “change color” to me), check out these link.

    [quote comment=”32323″][quote comment=”32177″][quote comment=”32173″]Teebz, talking hockey with you gets me through my day. Wish we could meet at a sports pub and drink a few cold ones and discuss all things puck.

    I actually want to open a hockey themed sports bar – call it the Penalty Box and have all my bartenders wear referee jerseys.[/quote]

    you should call it “the sin bin”.
    My $0.02[/quote]

    Any establishment named the ‘sin bin’ should have feature topless waitresses, or is that a waitstaff showing ample decolletage? How’s that, Minna?[/quote]

    Very nice use of the word decolletage, Al. However, if the women are topless, then the men have to wear thongs. How does that sound, Mr. Hochulis?

    Nice job Vince, congrats on moving up in the Uni world.

    Oregon’s helmets… couldn’t see the flames, but then you couldn’t see the flames in Pauls origional post about them.
    I think that if the 49ers need a win this weekend, they should wear their throwbacks, it would comply with the NFL’s 2 times rule as it would the the second time plus they are undefeated with them on (last year they beat Tampa Bay and this year they beat Minnesota… all by field goals). Plus they are still in the Playoff hunt, they just need to win out as well as Seattle lose out… it can happen!

    [quote comment=”32321″][quote comment=”32302″]Teebz, Lawrence, Kansas is not minutes away from KC. It’s an hour.[/quote]

    It didn’t look that far on the map I was examining. That wasn’t my point, though. Do people flock to the University of Kansas like they do at UNC or Duke or Nebraska for sporting events?[/quote]

    No, you’re right-they don’t normally flock to KU for sporting events although ever since the KC Kings left KC in 1985 for Sacramento, the KU Jayhawks have sort of become KC’s basketball team. I know some die-hards who live in KC who attend every Jayhawks’ home game… Granted, they are mostly KU grads.

    Speaking of KU, it’s a shame that they don’t retire numbers. Seeing Jeff Boschee wear Wilt Chamberlain’s #13 nearly made me puke. And it was just as bad to see Michael Lee wear Danny Manning’s #25. At least Brandon Rush is worthy of wearing that number.

    [quote comment=”32060″][quote comment=”31961″]Great work. I feel the pain of the Steeler Fan in distress about actually liking a product of the city by the lake. However, the Steelers had a logo of a steel worker punting a ball on a beam, before they went to the current SteelMark logo with the hypocycloids.[/quote]
    Does the awesome Steeler logo represent something in the city of steel? just interested..[/quote]

    The Steeler logo incorporates 75% of the old Steel Service Center Institute logo, substituting one of the hypercycloids for the word “Steelers,” seen link. I’m not sure of the connection, though there clearly is one. This may be a “chicken or the egg?” situation.

    [quote comment=”32295″]The Oregon/BYU game signifies everything that’s wrong (UofO) and everything that’s right (BYU) with college football unis. Those Oregon unis are atrocious.[/quote]
    Alas…a properly uniformed team (BYU) defeated a hideously attired team (Oregon)…JUSTICE IS SERVED!!!

    Great research, even beter writing. Any idea where I can get more of those Dick Dugan drawings?

    Keep up the awesome work – you’ve been a great addition to the UniWatch… by the way, were the hell did Paul find you?

    [quote comment=”31924″]Am I the only one that thinks that elf looks incredibly stupid.

    The elf needs work.[/quote]

    I couldn’t agree more. I don’t even like him that much really. I love the dawg and the “B” logo! Seems like the Browns are only interested in pleasing the older generations. What about the younger and future fans? Don’t get me wrong. I think it’s a great idea to go back and and pay proper respects to the classic uni’s and logos, but come on Cleveland. Lightin up a little. I’m a huge Browns fan and I’m right here in Cleveland. No one under 30 in my family is a Browns fan, but me. My Dad and his brothers “brain washed” me when I was a kid. If my Browns don’t want to update anything. I could live with that, but for all that is good and pure at least change the primary logo from the helmet logo to the dawg or the “B” logo. For merchandise sake. I grow old of just the helmet on all my merchandise. The dawg and the “B” are on a few things, but not hardly enough. Keep the helmet logo around as the third logo for the older generations, since they love it so much.

    Just wanted everyone to know that they have some awesome Brownie stuff @ GPS Gift Gallery. I got a huge Brownie wall plaque. He said if you mention the Uniwatch site you’ll get 10% off.

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