The David Boss Files, Vol. 1

If look you closely I think Bobby Boyd’s MacGreogor MH100 helmet only needs a paint job : )

Regarding the balck armband – Angels manager Bill Rigney’s father passed away on July 5, 1962. It’s possible the armband was worn in his memory.

Yup, definitely gray sannies on the Lions in that 1963 game. Also, note how dark the blue is on the stripes/numbers of the white jerseys. Certainly not the Honolulu shade.

I’ve also been told by a contributor to the cause awhile back that the Lions wore a near navy blue jersey when playing a night game in LA on 9/19/64.

Might it be the lighting in the Coliseum that makes the blues look much darker than they actually were??

[quote comment]Here’s a weird one: an old Mets commercial that show Kevin Mitchell flexing in front of a bunch of NFL helmets (good spot by Jeffrey Moulden)[/quote]
That looks like Doc Gooden

The Allen Americans, a minor league hockey outfit, will be wearing pink jerseys tonight in a Susan G. Komen breast cancer awareness game. The team will be auctioning the jerseys after the game. I plan to snag one if the prices do not get out of hand.

[quote comment=”379524″]Regarding the balck armband – Angels manager Bill Rigney’s father passed away on July 5, 1962. It’s possible the armband was worn in his memory.[/quote]

Doubt it. Teams weren’t into memorializing individual losses back then.

I would love to see one of those Chuck Ren illustrations of the Seahawks from the first season with no logo on the helmet.

I’ve got a question/observation for the hockey elite out there. (It’s likely been discussed before but I missed it.)

Are all the Olympic hocket teams wearing the same Nike template uniforms. I haven’t seen every team play, but of those I did catch, I’ve noticed a couple things. First, the fit seems to be tighter, especially around the arms. That is perhaps accentuated by the placing of the common stripes around the bicep area. Second the TV numbers all seem to be placed at the point where the arm and shoulder meet. (There’s probably an official uniform term for that spot that I don’t know.)

Call it personal preference, but I like the look of the Olympic unis, mainly for the reasons I just mentioned. The style seems to be in line with the look and fit of older, traditional sweaters.

Is it just me or are others seeing the same thing?

Political beliefs aside, how stupid was the design team to even have that Missle Defense logo make it past the drawing board? You can’t tell me someone in there didn’t sit back and say ‘Hmmm… Crescent Moon… Star… Obama Logo… This might not be the best idea’

Then again, its the government. They probably took one glance at it, saw it was hip and trendy and rubber-stamped it through.

[quote comment=”379535″]In praise of real grass, severe weather, grey facemasks and great photography…

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That’s amazing.[/quote]

Greg Pruitt would be so proud.

[quote comment=”379541″][quote comment=”379529″]Need an assist please. A little while back, someone posted about an on-line store, think it was in Cali. that specialzed in New Era low profile caps (the new poly material)/and minor leagues. If anyone can help, most appreciated.[/quote]

Is it The Clink Room/Plan B? Here’s a link to their online store – link

i don’t think they deal with low-pro hats. must be someone else. i’d be interested to see who jesse is talking about though!

NY Times article on the Olympic pictograms for each sport. A little goofy but interesting nonetheless

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[quote comment=”379535″]In praise of real grass, severe weather, grey facemasks and great photography…

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That’s amazing.[/quote]

Remember that game. Important one. Raining like crazy in L.A. Field was giant casserole even before game began.

And Vikings (with Bob Lee at QB) come out PASSING.
And kept the ball in the air until they got well enough ahead, then stayed ahead and won.

Afterward Bud Grant was asked about throwing in such lousy weather. Well, he explained, the weather report said was gonna get worse, so beginning of game would be the best time to throw.

Not a lot of coaches would have been that smart. Or that bold. And, as result, so totally screw up the opponent.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”379527″]
I’m loving the Netherlands’ white kit in those photos, with the red and blue chevron stripes. I hope the orange version is just as spectacular.[/quote]

Here’s an EA Sports image of the probable home kits link

[quote comment=”379542″][quote comment=”379541″][quote comment=”379529″]Need an assist please. A little while back, someone posted about an on-line store, think it was in Cali. that specialzed in New Era low profile caps (the new poly material)/and minor leagues. If anyone can help, most appreciated.[/quote]

Is it The Clink Room/Plan B? Here’s a link to their online store – link

i don’t think they deal with low-pro hats. must be someone else. i’d be interested to see who jesse is talking about though![/quote]
ALCON, help most appreciated, found the link, it’s called minorleagues.com, sorry for not pasting the link. Thanks for the Plan B stuff, looks interesting!Thanks again.

[quote comment=”379536″]I’ve got a question/observation for the hockey elite out there. (It’s likely been discussed before but I missed it.)

Are all the Olympic hocket teams wearing the same Nike template uniforms. I haven’t seen every team play, but of those I did catch, I’ve noticed a couple things. First, the fit seems to be tighter, especially around the arms. That is perhaps accentuated by the placing of the common stripes around the bicep area. Second the TV numbers all seem to be placed at the point where the arm and shoulder meet. (There’s probably an official uniform term for that spot that I don’t know.)

Call it personal preference, but I like the look of the Olympic unis, mainly for the reasons I just mentioned. The style seems to be in line with the look and fit of older, traditional sweaters.

Is it just me or are others seeing the same thing?[/quote]

I believe they are all the same template. Nike has some deal with the IIHF who basically runs the Olympic tournament.

The TV numbers are on an area that has traditionally been a part of the shoulder of the jersey. I think it looks good when that area matches the shoulder color yet looks like a goofy wedge if it’s a contrasting color. You can see how Canada looks much better than Russia, in my opinion…

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It’s why I’m not a fan of the USA whites…

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This has always bothered me…Why is that countries with other fonts like China and Russia use our letters and numbers?
Also some countries call themselves a different name …Germany = Deutschland, Norway = Norge, and Finland = Suomi

[quote comment=”379554″]This has always bothered me…Why is that countries with other fonts like China and Russia use our letters and numbers?
Also some countries call themselves a different name …Germany = Deutschland, Norway = Norge, and Finland = Suomi[/quote]
That would be an Olympic rule. For worldwide recognition, countries like Russia, China, Israel, Greece, etc. go with the majority and use the Roman alphabet.

Most curlers are big and fat and drunk so good luck finding “smaller” versions of their vintage garb.

[quote comment=”379556″][quote comment=”379554″]This has always bothered me…Why is that countries with other fonts like China and Russia use our letters and numbers?
Also some countries call themselves a different name …Germany = Deutschland, Norway = Norge, and Finland = Suomi[/quote]
That would be an Olympic rule. For worldwide recognition, countries like Russia, China, Israel, Greece, etc. go with the majority and use the Roman alphabet.[/quote]
I am sure the fans in Beijing werent too happy about that in 2008.

[quote comment=”379554″]This has always bothered me…Why is that countries with other fonts like China and Russia use our letters and numbers?
Also some countries call themselves a different name …Germany = Deutschland, Norway = Norge, and Finland = Suomi[/quote]
The letters/numbers are by IIHF rule; the “different” country names are the names for those countries in their own language! You wouldn’t expect a USA team to put “Etats-Unite d’Amerique” on the unis if the Olympics were in France, would you?

Here’s a slideshow I know most of the puckheads here will enjoy – the Canadian women’s hockey team celebrating their gold medal last night

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[quote comment=”379563″]
I get it….but why do we call it Finland and Germany? Not even close to what they call it.[/quote]

the interwebs are your friend

frankly, when the usa goes to france…i think we should put “AMERICA: FUCK YEAH” on our sweaters

but that’s just me

[quote comment=”379561″][quote comment=”379558″]Most curlers are big and fat and drunk so good luck finding “smaller” versions of their vintage garb.[/quote]

wow[/quote]

Some would say same could be said of many recreational softball players, pool players, bowlers and golfers.

So what, we’re supposed surprised to learn there are different levels of competition in any sport? Or we should be aghast at the insightfulness of such an observation?

Honestly, Kenny, that’s akin to noticing the moon and being proud of your discovery.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”379566″][quote comment=”379563″]
I get it….but why do we call it Finland and Germany? Not even close to what they call it.[/quote]

the link

frankly, when the usa goes to france…i think we should put “AMERICA: FUCK YEAH” on our sweaters

but that’s just me[/quote]

Kinda like the story about the international meeting in Paris where a Frenchman said, “We do we use English as the language for these meetings, we are in France.”

“Well, for one thing,” replied an American Admiral, “because we kept you from speaking German.”

—Rcko

[quote comment=”379571″]Photo link of Dean Chance indicates a date of 5-19-1965. (Chance is pitching with the black armband. Retrosheet confirms that he pitched 9 inn against Min in a doubleheader that date.)

Photo link shows Tony Oliva at the plate also with a caption date of 5-19-1965. Oliva never played against the Angels in 1962 (was a September call up that year). This picture shows the Angels’ catcher (presumably Buck Rodgers) with the armband.

While Chance and Rodgers both played in the 1962 game v. the Yankees (link), it would seem that the Oliva picture would place the armbands in 1965.[/quote]

Found this online:

“…Dick Wantz, who pitched one game for the Los Angeles Angels in 1965 and died a few days later of a brain hemorrhage.”

That the answer, maybe?

—Ricko

More…
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—Ricko

[quote comment=”379574″]More…
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—Ricko[/quote]

Photo…
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[quote comment=”379576″][quote comment=”379574″]More…
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—Ricko[/quote]

Photo…
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Says here Wantz died May 13, which would sense with the May 19 Oliva photo.
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Did some more checking. Likely the armbands were in memory of Dick Wantz, who died on 5-13-1965 of a brain tumor, a month after his only ML appearance (a relief appearance against the Indians).

[quote comment=”379579″][quote comment=”379570″][quote comment=”379566″][quote comment=”379563″]
I get it….but why do we call it Finland and Germany? Not even close to what they call it.[/quote]

the link

frankly, when the usa goes to france…i think we should put “AMERICA: FUCK YEAH” on our sweaters

but that’s just me[/quote]

Kinda like the story about the international meeting in Paris where a Frenchman said, “We do we use English as the language for these meetings, we are in France.”

“Well, for one thing,” replied an American Admiral, “because we kept you from speaking German.”

—Ricko[/quote]
Yeah, but if it weren’t for the French we’d be speaking English.

No, wait…[/quote]

We’d be South Canada?

[quote comment=”379531″][quote comment=”379526″]Yup, definitely gray sannies on the Lions in that 1963 game. Also, note how dark the blue is on the stripes/numbers of the white jerseys. Certainly not the Honolulu shade.

I’ve also been told by a contributor to the cause awhile back that the Lions wore a near navy blue jersey when playing a night game in LA on 9/19/64.

Might it be the lighting in the Coliseum that makes the blues look much darker than they actually were??[/quote]

I’d bet serious money it was raining that night (can sort of see it the grass; and rain only shows if backlit; was raining during entire filming of night scenes when Shoeless Joe first appears in “Field of Dreams” and they just front lit the scene so it wouldn’t show). Anyway, that would make the blue on the jerseys get darker because it was wet (see belly stains on revolutionary Nike jerseys, 2009).

I’d also wager the gray socks weren’t a uniform decision but more a “keep feet warm” move. Those are thick gray wool hunting socks. So, while they’re indeed gray, they aren’t any more a uni variation (per se) than adding a hand warmer pouch to a QB’s jersey. Worth noting as a visual variation, yes. A design change, no.

I have color photos of the dark jersey you’re talking about (I believe). There was a time the Lions did wear a straight up royal jersey that, compared to the Honolulu Blue looks almost navy.

Blue, as I’m sure you’re picked up in your studies, TimmyB, is a color that very commonly will darken a shade in night games. Especially in black and white photos, but in color, too. That’s one of the reasons so many believe the Bears and Yankees wear black. They’ve seen them only in night games on TV.

—Ricko[/quote]

Ricko

Taking a deeper look at the context, the likelihood of the wool socks being a ‘keep feet warm’ decision seems to rest somewhere between slim and none. I’d be more willing to believe this as plausible if only a few players were wearing them, or maybe if it was Green Bay in, say, November, but this was the first game of the season, September 14, in Los Angeles, and all the players seem to be rocking them. I could be wrong, but it doesn’t add up to me.

[quote comment=”379584″][quote comment=”379531″][quote comment=”379526″]Yup, definitely gray sannies on the Lions in that 1963 game. Also, note how dark the blue is on the stripes/numbers of the white jerseys. Certainly not the Honolulu shade.

I’ve also been told by a contributor to the cause awhile back that the Lions wore a near navy blue jersey when playing a night game in LA on 9/19/64.

Might it be the lighting in the Coliseum that makes the blues look much darker than they actually were??[/quote]

I’d bet serious money it was raining that night (can sort of see it the grass; and rain only shows if backlit; was raining during entire filming of night scenes when Shoeless Joe first appears in “Field of Dreams” and they just front lit the scene so it wouldn’t show). Anyway, that would make the blue on the jerseys get darker because it was wet (see belly stains on revolutionary Nike jerseys, 2009).

I’d also wager the gray socks weren’t a uniform decision but more a “keep feet warm” move. Those are thick gray wool hunting socks. So, while they’re indeed gray, they aren’t any more a uni variation (per se) than adding a hand warmer pouch to a QB’s jersey. Worth noting as a visual variation, yes. A design change, no.

I have color photos of the dark jersey you’re talking about (I believe). There was a time the Lions did wear a straight up royal jersey that, compared to the Honolulu Blue looks almost navy.

Blue, as I’m sure you’re picked up in your studies, TimmyB, is a color that very commonly will darken a shade in night games. Especially in black and white photos, but in color, too. That’s one of the reasons so many believe the Bears and Yankees wear black. They’ve seen them only in night games on TV.

—Ricko[/quote]

Ricko

Taking a deeper look at the context, the likelihood of the wool socks being a ‘keep feet warm’ decision seems to rest somewhere between slim and none. I’d be more willing to believe this as plausible if only a few players were wearing them, or maybe if it was Green Bay in, say, November, but this was the first game of the season, September 14, in Los Angeles, and all the players seem to be rocking them. I could be wrong, but it doesn’t add up to me.[/quote]

You may be right, given that.

Other aspects: From being alive at the time, I will tell you those are butt ugly wool sweat socks, which were hot and available in white and gray.

Now, some equipment guy may have decided the gray would look cool. Or they may have forgotten to pack the white socks and had use what they could find retail in L.A.

Or…and this also is a possibility (unless there are color photos to discount it). If those white socks (probably made by Wigwam) ever got bleached by mistake, they turned a kind of intense cream-color, almost yellow with a hint of copper thrown into darken the shade; almost looked like they’d rusted (we used to do it to them on purpose to wear with khakis and penny loafers). Such a thing might have inadvertently happened in the final washing before game time.

Not advocating anything, just discussing other possibilities. Because it very likely was a one-game thing, or someone would have noticed that season-long peculiarity a long time ago.

—Ricko

“Here’s something I’d never seen before: Bart Starr with rear-helmet uni numbers inside and outside the NFL stripe. I tried to find examples of other players with this same format but couldn’t find any close enough views.”

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Another interesting thing about this photo is that the caption is wrong. It says the NFL championship game was played in Cleveland, when actually that game was in Green Bay that year.

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[quote comment=”379588″]”Here’s something I’d never seen before: Bart Starr with rear-helmet uni numbers inside and outside the NFL stripe. I tried to find examples of other players with this same format but couldn’t find any close enough views.”

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Another interesting thing about this photo is that the caption is wrong. It says the NFL championship game was played in Cleveland, when actually that game was in Green Bay that year.

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Not an uncommon problem – link, but I think we can be reasonably sure it wasn’t taken in Green Bay. Lambeau Field never had an upper deck – that’s Milwaukee County Stadium.

Sounds like a good explanation of that, Ricko. I’ve got this love affair with heathered grey (Heathered anything really. Love the texture and and variation), so I kind of like those sanitaries, though I actually prefer the look of the Lions’ and Broncos’ throwbacks in which the sock color continues all the way down to the shoe, with no white ‘pseudo-sanitary’ showing. I really like that classic look. Reminds me of 1920s and 1930s football.

On a side note, I love Dave Boss’ paintings, as well as Bart Forbes’ watercolors, both of which can be seen in greater detail via the ‘Illustrated NFL’ link at right.

[quote comment=”379589″]I’m less surprised to hear that pundits are using the new Missile Defense Logo for political fodder than I am that Uni Watch didn’t point out the real nefarious scheme:

It seems to me to be another case of Nike logo creep. Where WON’T they put the swoosh??[/quote]

Actually, yes, that is in fact a rework of a design Nike submitted to the Taliban trying to work out a towel deal.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”379593″][quote comment=”379591″]Is anyone following the Norwegian Olympic Curling Pants on link?

488,000+ fans.

Big bonuses at Loudmouth this year?[/quote]

Quick, let’s get low-priced knockoffs into production.
We’ll call ’em…

SCREAMERZ
Really Loud Pants

—Ricko[/quote]

In related news, Zubaz is back with a vengeance.

piscopo idea: jim mothervilker is a hell of a mothervilker, he has a good idea every day…wait for it…and then he gets dressed. ba dum bump, tsssst. seriously though, this is another in a long line of great idears jimbo

sock machines:if i had one of those i would do nothing but make 5″ stirrups all day until i was institutionalized. seriously. i am pretty close to the butterfly net already, if i had a sock machine from 1929, i would go crackers. oh well, dip me in flower and call me saltine, i want one.

[quote comment=”379588″]”Here’s something I’d never seen before: Bart Starr with rear-helmet uni numbers inside and outside the NFL stripe. I tried to find examples of other players with this same format but couldn’t find any close enough views.”

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Another interesting thing about this photo is that the caption is wrong. It says the NFL championship game was played in Cleveland, when actually that game was in Green Bay that year.

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Also interesting, Coach Lombardi has on what looks like a gray paper bag hat(cover), that just so happens to match his gray nylon jacket perfectly. Love how the yellow just pops from under the jacket.

[quote comment=”379599″][quote comment=”379587″]anyone watching the suisse v chinese for the bronze?

/carmen schaefer sports a tongue stud…worth a watch if you’re near a tv[/quote]

This Carmen Schaefer?
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one in the same…unfortunately she and her rink choked against the chinese this afternoon…but it was skip ott’s fault, not carmen’s

and now…time to shift gears to US puck (it’s on NBC, mothervilker and trax)…as the boys take on the finns

finally some hockey on regular tv, and i barely have a miller cracked and the eggs i pickled on a plate, and it’s 2 nuthin’. and now 3~0 before i finish typing.

[quote comment=”379605″][quote comment=”379604″]i barely have a miller cracked and the eggs i pickled on a plate[/quote]

the bevvy is in honour of our goalie?

/4-0 now…and it’s aboot time the finns pulled kipper[/quote]

save some of those goals for slovakia, boys!

[quote comment=”379608″]save some of those goals for slovakia, boys![/quote]

wow…

now, duck & hide from teebz!

[quote comment=”379609″][quote comment=”379607″][quote comment=”379605″][quote comment=”379604″]i barely have a miller cracked and the eggs i pickled on a plate[/quote]

the bevvy is in honour of our goalie?

/4-0 now…and it’s aboot time the finns pulled kipper[/quote]

When they had the close-up of Backstrom getting set to come in, he was putting on a mask that had 32 on the back plate. His jersey is 33. Is he using another goalie’s mask?[/quote]
Probably not. Backstrom is #32 for the Minny Wild, but #33 for Suomi Tasavalta.[/quote]
You can tell it’s his Wild mask, just by the color scheme. Also, the logo on the front has red tape over it and the Wild word mark on the side has 2 strips over it.

A Golden Seals/white skates reference.

[quote comment=”379615″]Am I too late to chime in on the NFL Design Contest?[/quote]

nope…not too late at all

stay tuned for round two tomorrow

[quote comment=”379608″]save some of those goals for slovakia, boys![/quote]

Won’t matter – the red, white and blue will be hanging from the rafters Sunday, just in a slightly different order: link

I’ve heard the argument that if it weren’t for Haiti many of us would be speaking French. This applies to Midwesterners and others who live in the old Louisiana Territory. The logic is that the success of Haiti’s slave rebellion caused Napoleon’s armies to bleed money leading France to decide to sell off their American holdings.

By the way, even in those dowdy gray socks the Lions look infinitely better than they do nowadays.

[quote comment=”379621″][quote comment=”379557″][quote comment=”379523″]Not “the DC United.”

Just “DC United.”

/nitpick[/quote]

You an Insider? Or just an MLS fan?

And in response to whoever it was who asked a couple of days ago, I do follow Rovers, but I’m a die-hard DC United fan.[/quote]
Ay…. that’d be me asking if you were a Rover.
Up the Rovers.

In response to someone’s take of the Jim Marshall ripped, muddy shirt as NFL gold i would respond with a picture that ‘s been seared into my mind’s eye but i cannot locate anywhere online…. it was taken during the ’65 title game and it was of the ‘golden boy’ following Thurston and Kramer (IIRC) on a power sweep.

Georgeous picture of an awesome game played in dire conditions.

Ricko will surely agree w/ me regarding that game, no??

— i’ll continue my search of that picture.[/quote]

Lombardi’s approach always reminds of a line I heard later, and really appreciate…
“Amateurs practice until they get it right.
Professionals practice until they can’t get it wrong.”

(and I know the photo you’re thinking of…I think)

—Ricko

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That logo is just so perfect. Why’d they have to go and mess it up?

another mud bowl shot

fuck

[quote comment=”379629″]Using the holocaust to sell socks? Brilliant!

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that is disturbing, but there is a lot to be disturbed about on that site.

[quote comment=”379621″] a picture that ‘s been seared into my mind’s eye but i cannot locate anywhere online…. it was taken during the ’65 title game and it was of the ‘golden boy’ following Thurston and Kramer (IIRC) on a power sweep.

Georgeous picture of an awesome game played in dire conditions.[/quote]

I’ve seen that. Where I can’t remember.

In the process of looking, I found this:
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And these older beauties:
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[quote comment=”379633″]

Aaaah…

Trust me, they all looked nice.[/quote]

here jim,

let me

help you

out here

[quote comment=”379634″][quote comment=”379633″]

Aaaah…

Trust me, they all looked nice.[/quote]

here jim,

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link

link[/quote]

Those are nice and I especially like the older 2

Darn it.
But a nice try by Slovakia.

[quote comment=”379564″]Here’s a slideshow I know most of the puckheads here will enjoy – the Canadian women’s hockey team celebrating their gold medal last night

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stupid mafuckas.
get a room.