Capping Off the College Hoops Season

Was walking around Wrigley Field on Monday. They are fixin up the joint. The Chicago Cubs Sign behind the bleachers looks so much better! Here is what it looks like.

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Also, the Sports Corner Bar is finally done. It has a nice lookin roof from what I can see and looks good inside.

Nice picture of Pee Wee Reese. The “1952” photo is really from 1946, as is clearly stated on the scoreboard.

From the Ticker:

Stirrups vs.stirrups!

From Houston:

soccer socks vs. um…really tall socks

if only zito would go to the proper cut

still, i won’t complain…those soccer socks are better than pajama bottoms covering all hosiery

“Some new uni numbers for the Broncos”

DAMN YOU – for a second, I thought the Broncos had ditched their god-awful jersey number font…

Wrapping up the NCAAs:

Just realized that Butler’s school colors are blue and white and the uniform they wore through most of the tournament is black. What a shame, serves them right.

[quote comment=”384468″]Wrapping up the NCAAs:

Just realized that Butler’s school colors are blue and white and the uniform they wore through most of the tournament is black. What a shame, serves them right.[/quote]

Doesn’t almighty duke (puke) also sport a ‘black for the sake of black’ ensemble on occasion? Since they were a #1 seed they never wore a road uni in the dance.

[quote comment=”384464″]From the Ticker:

link!

From Houston:

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if only zito would go to the link

still, i won’t complain…those soccer socks are better than pajama bottoms covering all hosiery[/quote]

Milo Hamilton, long time voice of Astros Radio, actually commented when Pence came to bat saying “There’s something you don’t see that often anymore: both the pitcher and the batter with the pants legs pulled high and the tall socks. Hunter with the soccer style socks, and Zito with those nice looking Giants socks with the stripes.”

[quote comment=”384462″]Nice picture of Pee Wee Reese. The “1952” photo is really from 1946, as is clearly stated on the scoreboard.[/quote]
Great catch.

And his stirrups are so low, he’s dangerously close to soccer socks there…. ;)

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A concern I have looking at that picture … it didn’t take long for the behind-home-plate scrolling boards to make their way into every ball park. I don’t like them, but I understand why they’re there. Now I see an ad placed next to those in Houston.

How many years before the entire wall surrounding the playing field from foul pole to foul pole, infield and outfield, is one continous electronic ribbon board?

I finished dead last in that bracket contest and I used the same bracket in my company pool and I finished in the money….crazy

[quote comment=”384475″][quote comment=”384473″]Re: William and Mary Mascot –

“a griffin has the body of a lion – the king of beasts – and the head of an eagle – the king of birds”

I’d like to know what lion they based that body off of …

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The cowardly one, duh.[/quote]

these lions:

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re: roy face’s flocked helmet

can someone enlighten me as to why helmets were flocked in the first place? was it aesthetic or was it an anti-glare thing? link

Whoa … changing the look of Wrigley Field as I type this …

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[quote comment=”384479″]As a Butler Alumnus, I cannot defend the black uniforms for being black.

However, they are the only road uniforms, they are not an alternate. For some reason when the school switched templates in the early 2000’s (2003 maybe) the old dark blue roadies went away and were replaced with blacks.

I personally hope this NCAA run gets the Dawgs some new road blues for next year.[/quote]

That’s interesting. Almost like the Navy’s “service dress blue uniforms,” which are really black.

link, for clarification. Some soccer socks are different, more like Zito’s, maybe, but this is the traditional version.

Fpr the GENERAL KNOWLEDGE BASE Department…

Last last night someone ripped on the Prez for saying “Cominsky”.

I responded, then asked Chicagoan rpm if he could support that. His reply came about 4 a.m. EST, so thought I’d repost a bit of the exchange.

Starting here…

Nope, can’t lay that one on him. If anything, shows he IS a Sox fan. That’s a Chicago thing. I’ve known truly DOZENS of Chicagoans who call it “Cominskey”.

rpm, you around to corroborate?

–Ricko

sorry, long studio day. yes, i can back you up on that ricko, cominsky is common vernacular believe it or not, a born chicagoan, and bred sox fan on my softball team says it, drives me nuts. shicawgoans have a way about their speech, we had/still have the same curious mistakes in bawlmer, like long “a” before “o”, which makes it gao ao’s, or wudder instead of water, and the german practice of “v” pronounced “b”. i could go on about pronounciation, but to be honest though, who cares if he just plain got it wrong, it means nothing, i would hope he has more important things to concern himself with. and as far as wearing a hat that isn’t being played that day, really?!!!? while i wouldn’t wear a sox hat into weeghman if the sox were not playing because i am not a jerk for jerk’s sake, as a non cubs fan, why wouldn’t i wear my orioles hat? who the hell cares? it’s a baseball game. besides, he was throwing out the first pitch for baseball, not the natinals for corn’s sake, and he is “from” chicago, good golly. sometimes i wonder about people mr. rick.

—Ricko

Mets porn???
Perhaps the greatest desktop wallpaper of all time
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[quote comment=”384489″][quote comment=”384483″][quote comment=”384470″][quote comment=”384468″]Wrapping up the NCAAs:

Just realized that Butler’s school colors are blue and white and the uniform they wore through most of the tournament is black. What a shame, serves them right.[/quote]

Doesn’t almighty duke (puke) also sport a ‘black for the sake of black’ ensemble on occasion? Since they were a #1 seed they never wore a road uni in the dance.[/quote]

They do. I’m not bothered as much by schools that add black when their school colors are one color and white. It really bothers me that a school with navy blue changes colors to black; why bother?[/quote]

I tolerate the flyers black as it is actually one of their colors (even though the orange sweater, in any form, is totally superior) the eagles black jersey on the other hand is totally embarrassing; sixers finally ditched black this year, but I’m not sure anyone noticed or cared.[/quote]

Obviously if it’s one of your colors, it’s fine to wear an alternate black jersey. I kind of like the Eagles’ black jersey, because it goes well with the green, and their only other color is white. It’s when teams like West Virginia (navy blue and gold) or Dayton (red and blue) wear black that I get annoyed. And, of course, the Mets.

Sorry to disagree, but the Eagles black jersey is a travesty

[quote comment=”384488″]link, for clarification. Some soccer socks are different, more like Zito’s, maybe, but this is the traditional version.[/quote]

I think the point is that Zito’s socks certainly are far less like baseball socks and far more in the general direction of soccer socks.

“Soccerups” works for me. Cuz that sure as hell isn’t a baseball look. Not from the CVE , anyway (Common Visual Era, meaning advent TV), nor the decades immediately preceding it.

I know things get updated. Hell, that’s part of the fun. But U of Missouri’s doing it far, far better (stripes on sans-stirrup socks, that is). Their look is good to see, and harks to the history of the correct sport (that would be baseball).

(Missouri photos were posted last week; can’t go looking for them just now).

—Ricko

[quote comment=”384498″] But U of Missouri’s doing it far, far better (stripes on sans-stirrup socks, that is). Their look is good to see, and harks to the history of the correct sport (that would be baseball).
[/quote]

like this?

[quote comment=”384497″][quote comment=”384483″][quote comment=”384470″][quote comment=”384468″]Wrapping up the NCAAs:

Just realized that Butler’s school colors are blue and white and the uniform they wore through most of the tournament is black. What a shame, serves them right.[/quote]

Doesn’t almighty duke (puke) also sport a ‘black for the sake of black’ ensemble on occasion? Since they were a #1 seed they never wore a road uni in the dance.[/quote]

They do. I’m not bothered as much by schools that add black when their school colors are one color and white. It really bothers me that a school with navy blue changes colors to black; why bother?[/quote]

This doesn’t bother you as much?

link

wow, that’s super heinous

I can’t think of any bfsob jerseys with any redeeming value

Eagles, Tennessee, UGA, the Mets, Puke, the Lions, Ravens, Jags, who am I missing?

“I’m not bothered as much by schools that add black when their school colors are one color and white.”

If your school colors are one color and white, hello, your school colors are one color and white.

“Help! Can’t figure out how to make a good looking uni with one-color and white. Can I add black? Please-please-please? It’s just too harrrrrrrrrd without it.”

(And, once and for all, black linework in a logo does NOT make it a school, or team, color. If it does, we’d say Superman’s costume was red, blue, yellow and black. And, frankly, I don’t think I’ve EVER heard anyone say that.)

—Ricko

[quote comment=”384502″][quote comment=”384497″][quote comment=”384483″][quote comment=”384470″][quote comment=”384468″]Wrapping up the NCAAs:

Just realized that Butler’s school colors are blue and white and the uniform they wore through most of the tournament is black. What a shame, serves them right.[/quote]

Doesn’t almighty duke (puke) also sport a ‘black for the sake of black’ ensemble on occasion? Since they were a #1 seed they never wore a road uni in the dance.[/quote]

They do. I’m not bothered as much by schools that add black when their school colors are one color and white. It really bothers me that a school with navy blue changes colors to black; why bother?[/quote]

This doesn’t bother you as much?

link

wow, that’s super heinous

I can’t think of any bfsob jerseys with any redeeming value

Eagles, Tennessee, UGA, the Mets, Puke, the Lions, Ravens, Jags, who am I missing?[/quote]

The Ravens are not bfbs and the Jags & Lions don’t actually have black jerseys anymore.

BFSOB jerseys…

might make a good topic for a day

can we find out who started it and is responsible for this madness…?

maybe we can predict the glorious time of its future disappearance as well

[quote comment=”384508″]BFSOB jerseys…

might make a good topic for a day

can we find out who started it and is responsible for this madness…?

maybe we can predict the glorious time of its future disappearance as well[/quote]

Agreed. I think it all started with the Chicago White Sox in 1991, tell you the truth, even though I like those uniforms. I remember going out and buying a new Sox cap even though I’m not a Sox fan because I liked it. (That was the time when the “X” caps for Malcom were popular too.)

Rest easy, America. Orlando Hudson has his front uni number now like the rest of the Twins squad.

[quote comment=”384476″]http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4032/4499332927_ac240ee371_o.jpg

A concern I have looking at that picture … it didn’t take long for the behind-home-plate scrolling boards to make their way into every ball park. I don’t like them, but I understand why they’re there. Now I see an ad placed next to those in Houston.

How many years before the entire wall surrounding the playing field from foul pole to foul pole, infield and outfield, is one continous electronic ribbon board?[/quote]

It already has precedent, as the EPL uses advertsing ribbon boards across the field at their stadiums.

also we need to find out who started the trend of leaving labels on baseball caps. that might even look more ridiculous than an eagles black jersey.

[quote comment=”384511″][quote comment=”384504″]”I’m not bothered as much by schools that add black when their school colors are one color and white.”

If your school colors are one color and white, hello, your school colors are one color and white.

“Help! Can’t figure out how to make a good looking uni with one-color and white. Can I add black? Please-please-please? It’s just too harrrrrrrrrd without it.”

(And, once and for all, black linework in a logo does NOT make it a school, or team, color. If it does, we’d say Superman’s costume was red, blue, yellow and black. And, frankly, I don’t think I’ve EVER heard anyone say that.)

—Ricko[/quote]

I agree with your overall point … but, for the record, I don’t see any black anywhere on this outfit …

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Hey, hey, I said “black LINEwork”, as in “drawn in a comic book”. Y’know, appearing to have been inked first and color added later? ;)

(I forget not everyone uses art/illustrator/designer/printer terms. Sorry.)

—Ricko

[quote comment=”384508″]BFSOB jerseys…

might make a good topic for a day

[/quote]

it’s actually something i’d considered…for a future poll

hmmmmm

[quote comment=”384520″][quote comment=”384508″]BFSOB jerseys…

might make a good topic for a day

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it’s actually something i’d considered…for a future poll

Cool, another positive from trading McNabb, is that perhaps the fans who bought a black #5 jersey will no longer wear them. Any fewer amount of black jerseys at the stadium is a positive.

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[quote comment=”384513″][quote comment=”384510″][quote comment=”384508″]BFSOB jerseys…

might make a good topic for a day

can we find out who started it and is responsible for this madness…?

maybe we can predict the glorious time of its future disappearance as well[/quote]

Agreed. I think it all started with the Chicago White Sox in 1991, tell you the truth, even though I like those uniforms. I remember going out and buying a new Sox cap even though I’m not a Sox fan because I liked it. (That was the time when the “X” caps for Malcom were popular too.)[/quote]

Nah, the Sox were followers. The LA Kings went from Lakers colors to Raiders colors in 1988. The Atlanta Falcons switched to black jerseys in 1990.

In any case, we’ve had the BFBS thing for over 20 years… it’s not going anywhere.[/quote]

You’re right about the Kings. The Falcons, though, just returned to black jerseys, which they had worn in the 1960s and early 1970s.

[quote comment=”384525″][quote comment=”384479″]As a Butler Alumnus, I cannot defend the black uniforms for being black.

However, they are the only road uniforms, they are not an alternate. For some reason when the school switched templates in the early 2000’s (2003 maybe) the old dark blue roadies went away and were replaced with blacks.

I personally hope this NCAA run gets the Dawgs some new road blues for next year.[/quote]

When a Nike team makes the Final Four, that puts them in their ELITE class.

This usually means that they will receive their High End unis for the next season, which will hopefully mean S.O.D. and not the Cuse, MSU, Duke style with the embedded graphics.[/quote]

Plus, they will be available at retail outlets such as Eastbay.

The Tampa Bay Rays have switched their home jerseys from double-knits to Cool Base

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The only Cool Base jerseys the Rays (and Devil Rays) wore before this season were their alts – the homes and roads have been double-knit before this season.

[quote comment=”384530″][quote comment=”384516″]also we need to find out who started the trend of leaving labels on baseball caps. that might even look more ridiculous than an eagles black jersey.[/quote]

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fabulous! if it was only the “younger generation” who didn’t remove the sticker…

I’m embarrassed to say it took me quite some time to figure out this, as well as a factory-straight brim, was just a means to facilitate shop-lifting…

it’s a scary world

[quote comment=”384515″]Regarding the hockey ‘card…’

As a pre-kindergartener growing up in Erie, Pennsylvania, my Mom took me grocery shopping each week. At the Loblaws chain of grocery stores, you received a perforated tape of these hockey ‘coupons’ the length of which depended on how much you spent. They could then be separated from each other along the perforations. If I’m not mistaken, about every tenth coupon or so had a “74/75” or “75/76” and the “Loblaws” logo on the back. The rest had backs that were blank. I still have mine in a storage container somewhere. I will try to locate them and send in an image or two. Most now have worn and rounded edges – not like the straight, sharp ones shown on this image. I was 3 or 4 years old at the time, took them everywhere with me, and pretty much learned to read using them. I bet I was the only 3 year old who knew who Cesare Maniago was! Most of mine sustained ‘water’ damage because they blew out of my hand coming in from the car during a blizzard that winter. I can still picture my Mom trying to chase these little coupons all over the driveway! From what I can remember there was no logo copyright issue. Most displayed the teams in their normal game worn attire. The only exceptions were the Kansas City Scouts who were only shown in yearbook-photo style from the shoulders up.[/quote]

I have the same book from Loblaws. It sounds like mine is in a little better shape, no water damage.

Here’s an example of the sticker strip

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And another ebay sale with the Gary Bromley sticker included:

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I retrieved the book from my Mom’s house last fall after she passed away. I don’t think I’d actually seen the book in 30 years, but when I was going to clean out her house it was one of the very few things I hoped would still be there. Posting some scans is on my “to do” list for the spring.

The stickers came out in 1974, so both the Kansas City Scouts and the Washington Capitals (the 2 expansion teams that year) were all head shots and fakes.

[quote comment=”384476″]How many years before the entire wall surrounding the playing field from foul pole to foul pole, infield and outfield, is one continous electronic ribbon board?[/quote]
I wouldn’t have any issue with it, not at all.

Would actually be pretty cool. The things you could do with a Home Run celebration are endless with a ribbon board around the entire outfield wall.

JimWa said:

Not a good look…

The large live-action posters of current Cub players will only be up for the first week of the season.

[quote comment=”384538″]JimWa said:

Not a good look…

The large live-action posters of current Cub players will only be up for the first week of the season.[/quote]

I read that, too … I’m thinking trial balloon … if it works, they’ll ask the city for more – and permanent versions – of the same. Frankly, as a traditionalist Cub fan, I really like it! In all honesty, the outside of the park has never had a great deal of visual appeal to me. I love being at the park, I love the way I feel when I walk around (a couple years ago driving by while in Chicago during a Cubs roadtrip, just because I could). This adds to the look without taking away from the park.

[quote comment=”384541″]For example, use of THIS logo on the Redlegs’ roads in ’56 (a ’57 card, yes) does NOT make black a team color, and doesn’t even justify black trim, for that matter. It’s just a line art logo.
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so…is this cap black (or dark blue)? i honestly can’t tell…but if it is black, is it BFBS?

[quote comment=”384502″][quote comment=”384497″][quote comment=”384483″][quote comment=”384470″][quote comment=”384468″]Wrapping up the NCAAs:

Just realized that Butler’s school colors are blue and white and the uniform they wore through most of the tournament is black. What a shame, serves them right.[/quote]

Doesn’t almighty duke (puke) also sport a ‘black for the sake of black’ ensemble on occasion? Since they were a #1 seed they never wore a road uni in the dance.[/quote]

They do. I’m not bothered as much by schools that add black when their school colors are one color and white. It really bothers me that a school with navy blue changes colors to black; why bother?[/quote]

This doesn’t bother you as much?

link

wow, that’s super heinous

I can’t think of any bfsob jerseys with any redeeming value

Eagles, Tennessee, UGA, the Mets, Puke, the Lions, Ravens, Jags, who am I missing?[/quote]

Personally, I think the Ravens should rock black full-time (with white pants, of course).

85 comments and no mention of that Yankees tailgating grill? That thing is sick!

[quote comment=”384539″]
Once again, its not BFBS when black is one of the official colors of the franchise.

Teams exempt from BFBS:

Philadelphia Flyers
Carolina Hurricanes
Carolina Panthers
Baltimore Ravens
Colorado Rockies
etc[/quote]

oh…ok

so then the mets aren’t BFBS

i mean, it’s an official color of the franchise

[quote comment=”384534″][quote comment=”384515″]Regarding the hockey ‘card…’

As a pre-kindergartener growing up in Erie, Pennsylvania, my Mom took me grocery shopping each week. At the Loblaws chain of grocery stores, you received a perforated tape of these hockey ‘coupons’ the length of which depended on how much you spent. They could then be separated from each other along the perforations. If I’m not mistaken, about every tenth coupon or so had a “74/75” or “75/76” and the “Loblaws” logo on the back. The rest had backs that were blank. I still have mine in a storage container somewhere. I will try to locate them and send in an image or two. Most now have worn and rounded edges – not like the straight, sharp ones shown on this image. I was 3 or 4 years old at the time, took them everywhere with me, and pretty much learned to read using them. I bet I was the only 3 year old who knew who Cesare Maniago was! Most of mine sustained ‘water’ damage because they blew out of my hand coming in from the car during a blizzard that winter. I can still picture my Mom trying to chase these little coupons all over the driveway! From what I can remember there was no logo copyright issue. Most displayed the teams in their normal game worn attire. The only exceptions were the Kansas City Scouts who were only shown in yearbook-photo style from the shoulders up.[/quote]

I have the same book from Loblaws. It sounds like mine is in a little better shape, no water damage.

Here’s an example of the sticker strip

link

And another ebay sale with the Gary Bromley sticker included:

link

I retrieved the book from my Mom’s house last fall after she passed away. I don’t think I’d actually seen the book in 30 years, but when I was going to clean out her house it was one of the very few things I hoped would still be there. Posting some scans is on my “to do” list for the spring.

The stickers came out in 1974, so both the Kansas City Scouts and the Washington Capitals (the 2 expansion teams that year) were all head shots and fakes.[/quote]
thanks for the memories guys… great stuff. I also have tons of hockey cards from the ’69 thru ’80 seasons buried in my parents ‘ basement. They’re selling this spring so I’ll be looking for all those and other baseball & basketball and football cards from the same era. Bittersweet stuff indeed.
On a sidenote: is that early to mid 70’s Blues’ home jersey w/ the yellow/blue/yellow waist striping NOT the most awesomest?

[quote comment=”384550″][quote comment=”384539″]
Once again, its not BFBS when black is one of the official colors of the franchise.

Teams exempt from BFBS:

Philadelphia Flyers
Carolina Hurricanes
Carolina Panthers
Baltimore Ravens
Colorado Rockies
etc[/quote]

oh…ok

so then the mets aren’t link

i mean, it’s an official color of the franchise[/quote]

Really? Listed in the media guide after “Team Colors” an’ everything?
If it is, nobody’s got a bitch about the black hats and jerseys.
Your bitch would be about who changed the team colors…and why.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”384529″]connie,

no one (i don’t think) is arguing against black, even used sparingly (such as to link)…that doesn’t make BFBS…but those extra black stipes? BFBS

if you’re the raiders or the saints or the falcons…that’s not BFBS…

most of us on here, who detest the BFBS, is the introduction of it as a substitute for link

sometimes…link is added where it link … or link???

it’s a tough call on the reds…they once had it as an accent color, and they brought it back…

but is this link???

had they link…there’s no question that would be a yes

some teams actually look good in black, but to simply add a link third jersey?

that’s link we need link the link[/quote]

Agree wholeheartedly.

[quote comment=”384557″]This site (which also quotes Paul’s Village Voice efforts)…
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…says black was officially added to orange and blue as a third team color in 1998.

There ya go. Assuming that’s accurate, unless it gets changed, the black garments ain’t wrong and they ain’t goin’ anywhere.

(That’s applying right or wrong as in “official””, not as in “should” or “shouldn’t”)

Arguments against black garments for Oregon or West Virginia or Dayton (and others) actually are stronger than this one. Technically speaking.

—Ricko[/quote]

Well if we use the official color argument, then pretty much every single pro team with black is excluded from the BFBS list. They all list it as an official color once they start using it. It’s only the NCAA teams that wear it without it being an official school color.

Illustrating a point I’ve made here many times about how color photos were rare and often outdated, this is a September, 1957 issue of SI. The photo, though, likely is from Spring Training of 1956, making it almost a year-and-a-half old. How do we know this? It’s the 1956 road uni (only year with Ol’ Red on the chest; the homes had a big wishbone “C”) with a hat last worn in the regular season in 1955.
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It was a real different world if you were watching unis. As you can see, major publications didn’t even think people knew the difference.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”384558″][quote comment=”384557″]This site (which also quotes Paul’s Village Voice efforts)…
link
…says black was officially added to orange and blue as a third team color in 1998.

There ya go. Assuming that’s accurate, unless it gets changed, the black garments ain’t wrong and they ain’t goin’ anywhere.

(That’s applying right or wrong as in “official””, not as in “should” or “shouldn’t”)

Arguments against black garments for Oregon or West Virginia or Dayton (and others) actually are stronger than this one. Technically speaking.

—Ricko[/quote]

Well if we use the official color argument, then pretty much every single pro team with black is excluded from the BFBS list. They all list it as an official color once they start using it. It’s only the NCAA teams that wear it without it being an official school color.[/quote]

The Mets history is wrong about the alternate blue jersey. The Mets wore one from 1982-85 (in addition to having home and away batting practice jerseys).

[quote comment=”384549″][quote comment=”384502″][quote comment=”384497″][quote comment=”384483″][quote comment=”384470″][quote comment=”384468″]Wrapping up the NCAAs:

Just realized that Butler’s school colors are blue and white and the uniform they wore through most of the tournament is black. What a shame, serves them right.[/quote]

Doesn’t almighty duke (puke) also sport a ‘black for the sake of black’ ensemble on occasion? Since they were a #1 seed they never wore a road uni in the dance.[/quote]

They do. I’m not bothered as much by schools that add black when their school colors are one color and white. It really bothers me that a school with navy blue changes colors to black; why bother?[/quote]

This doesn’t bother you as much?

link

wow, that’s super heinous

I can’t think of any bfsob jerseys with any redeeming value

Eagles, Tennessee, UGA, the Mets, Puke, the Lions, Ravens, Jags, who am I missing?[/quote]
UGA’s colors are red and black, so not BFSOB.[/quote]

Interesting that two schools — Maryland and Georgia — have played down black in their uniforms even though black is a school color. Georgia’s worn black football jerseys only two or three times. Same with Maryland and black basketball uniforms.

[quote comment=”384561″][quote comment=”384558″][quote comment=”384557″]This site (which also quotes Paul’s Village Voice efforts)…
link
…says black was officially added to orange and blue as a third team color in 1998.

There ya go. Assuming that’s accurate, unless it gets changed, the black garments ain’t wrong and they ain’t goin’ anywhere.

(That’s applying right or wrong as in “official””, not as in “should” or “shouldn’t”)

Arguments against black garments for Oregon or West Virginia or Dayton (and others) actually are stronger than this one. Technically speaking.

—Ricko[/quote]

Well if we use the official color argument, then pretty much every single pro team with black is excluded from the BFBS list. They all list it as an official color once they start using it. It’s only the NCAA teams that wear it without it being an official school color.[/quote]

Lions list it as official color? Reds? Not arguing, just asking. Because if teams ARE adding it as a team color they’d I’d say it’s with every intent to clear the road for black garments on the field.

—Ricko[/quote]

Well, the Wiki page for the Lions lists the black. I don’t really know where to get an official media guide or anything though. I do seem to recall seeing a scan of a page (might’ve been on here, can’t remember) when they unveiled the new logo that indicated that the logo was to always be printed with the black outline, even when printing on a black shirt. So I’m pretty sure it’s official.

Some more of the batting helmet photos

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[quote comment=”384566″][quote comment=”384561″][quote comment=”384558″][quote comment=”384557″]This site (which also quotes Paul’s Village Voice efforts)…
link
…says black was officially added to orange and blue as a third team color in 1998.

There ya go. Assuming that’s accurate, unless it gets changed, the black garments ain’t wrong and they ain’t goin’ anywhere.

(That’s applying right or wrong as in “official””, not as in “should” or “shouldn’t”)

Arguments against black garments for Oregon or West Virginia or Dayton (and others) actually are stronger than this one. Technically speaking.

—Ricko[/quote]

Well if we use the official color argument, then pretty much every single pro team with black is excluded from the BFBS list. They all list it as an official color once they start using it. It’s only the NCAA teams that wear it without it being an official school color.[/quote]

Lions list it as official color? Reds? Not arguing, just asking. Because if teams ARE adding it as a team color they’d I’d say it’s with every intent to clear the road for black garments on the field.

—Ricko[/quote]

Well, the Wiki page for the Lions lists the black. I don’t really know where to get an official media guide or anything though. I do seem to recall seeing a scan of a page (might’ve been on here, can’t remember) when they unveiled the new logo that indicated that the logo was to always be printed with the black outline, even when printing on a black shirt. So I’m pretty sure it’s official.[/quote]
Donovan over at the Society for Sports Uniforms Research keeps lists of official colors. He gets them from the leagues themselves, you can trust him on this.

And yes, if a pro team uses black anywhere in its scheme it becomes an official team color. Possibly because there is more than one shade of black?

Here’s his listings for the link, link, and link. As you can see, black is an official color for all of them. Doesn’t change the BFBS one bit – it was adding black to the color scheme in the first place that triggered BFBS.

Lest anyone think that teams are this particular only with their black, check out these – the link have official versions of all the colors in their Maryland state patch and the link and link list the touches of red that appear only in their link primary link.

“If your school colors are one color and white, hello, your school colors are one color and white.”

Even more embarrassing if your alma mater’s colors are one color and white and its nickname is the COLOR but the basketball team wears BFBS: link

[quote comment=”384569″]”that the logo was to always be printed with the black outline, even when printing on a black shirt.”

That’s just a printer’s spec. Redlegs would have said same thing about Ol’ Red so he didn’t end up with big red handlebar mustache.

Would be interesting to see a media guide.

Which reminds me, why don’t team’s websites have easy-to-find, and use, fact sheets (general info)? Y’know, list of officers and key personnel, stadium, stadium capacity, training camp site, year franchise granted, etc., etc, usually including team colors, et al. All in one place. Guess they only do that in their printed media guides.

So frustrating when you’re just looking for basic info.

—Ricko[/quote]
Some teams are better than others – the Packers put the entire contents of their media guide online (including their Pantone colors, which most teams keep private). Other teams might not be so forthcoming.

The A’s usually use the previous season’s home white jersey for photo shoots and to wear to public appearances so Bailey probably had this one put back in his locker by somebody who didn’t know better and he grabbed the wrong one.

[quote comment=”384577″][quote comment=”384572″]”If your school colors are one color and white, hello, your school colors are one color and white.”

Even more embarrassing if your alma mater’s colors are one color and white and its nickname is the COLOR but the basketball team wears BFBS: link

Harvard grads NEVER miss an opportunity to tell folks they went to Harvard.[/quote]
You know, if they had taken me, I probably would want to remind people at every opportunity. :)

[quote comment=”384577″][quote comment=”384572″]”If your school colors are one color and white, hello, your school colors are one color and white.”

Even more embarrassing if your alma mater’s colors are one color and white and its nickname is the COLOR but the basketball team wears BFBS: link

Harvard grads NEVER miss an opportunity to tell folks they went to Harvard.[/quote]

A friend of mine came up with what he called ‘the Harvard test’ to id Harvard grads. Walk into a room and say “You arrogant b@st@rd!” Whoever looks up is a Harvard grad. On the other hand, that friend was a Yale man …

Not gonna argue.

Guess my point was looking at it from the other end.
BTA doesn’t mean you HAVE to add black as a third color.
Wisconsin, for example. The offset shadow on the helmet logo doesn’t mean, “Oh, well, Wisconsin can wear black jerseys and it would be okay.”

No, it wouldn’t. Until Wisconsin chooses to list black as an official color they’re saying, “We’re still red and white, that’s just an accent.”

The black edge on Tennessee’s road numbers doesn’t make a black jersey okey-dokey for them, either. Ohio State would have no business wearing a black jersey, either, despite the “detailing” presence of it on their unis.

Same as when TOSU started using black to define points of color change in around ’54. Or that little bit of black in the 49ers helmet logo not so long ago. And the black on the Eagles during the Randall Cunningham era (damn, I miss that uni).

So, yeah, adding black willy nilly to your team colors is BFBS, and I didn’t mean to say it wasn’t. Just that it gives the teams an “out” to be trendy. Covering their asses for marketing purposes.

My central point was that BTA doesn’t automatically make black a team color. Distinctly two different discussions.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”384569″]”that the logo was to always be printed with the black outline, even when printing on a black shirt.”

That’s just a printer’s spec. Redlegs would have said same thing about Ol’ Red so he didn’t end up with big red handlebar mustache.

Would be interesting to see a media guide.

Which reminds me, why don’t team’s websites have easy-to-find, and use, fact sheets (general info)? Y’know, list of officers and key personnel, stadium, stadium capacity, training camp site, year franchise granted, etc., etc, usually including team colors, et al. All in one place. Guess they only do that in their printed media guides.

So frustrating when you’re just looking for basic info.

—Ricko[/quote]

Damned Interwebs is good for NOTHING!

[quote comment=”384583″][quote comment=”384561″][quote comment=”384558″][quote comment=”384557″]This site (which also quotes Paul’s Village Voice efforts)…
link
…says black was officially added to orange and blue as a third team color in 1998.

There ya go. Assuming that’s accurate, unless it gets changed, the black garments ain’t wrong and they ain’t goin’ anywhere.

(That’s applying right or wrong as in “official””, not as in “should” or “shouldn’t”)

Arguments against black garments for Oregon or West Virginia or Dayton (and others) actually are stronger than this one. Technically speaking.

—Ricko[/quote]

Well if we use the official color argument, then pretty much every single pro team with black is excluded from the BFBS list. They all list it as an official color once they start using it. It’s only the NCAA teams that wear it without it being an official school color.[/quote]

Lions list it as official color? Reds? Not arguing, just asking. Because if teams ARE adding it as a team color they’d I’d say it’s with every intent to clear the road for black garments on the field.

—Ricko[/quote]

The Devils have NEVER had a black sweater, even though they have had black as an official color for over 15 years.[/quote]

WHAT??? An NHL team that didn’t leap at the opportunity to wear, fully-justified, a black sweater?

Damn.

—Ricko

[quote comment=”384587″][quote comment=”384585″]

Doc Ellis would still see the Pirates helmets like that.[/quote]

were he alive, maybe[/quote]

“Dude, your helmet’s all fuzzy.”

Y’know, I keep saying, Pro coaches have to allow for players having different ways to prepare…
link

—Ricko

[quote comment=”384589″]
Notice the use of the word “would” in my statement.[/quote]

heh heh…you said would

[quote comment=”384579″]Meant to comment about the Pirates flocked helmets. I believe the Pirates had two tone flocked helmets around 1970. The old gold helmet with black bill. I thought I remembered Clemente wearing one that was matte finished and not shiny.[/quote]
I believe you’re right on that… Sanguillen would also don that flocked batting helmet–can’t seem to locate a pic that to corroborate that, thou :(

[quote comment=”384594″]
I believe you’re right on that… Sanguillen would also don that flocked batting helmet–can’t seem to locate a pic that to corroborate that, thou :([/quote]

here ya go

[quote comment=”384593″][quote comment=”384592″][quote comment=”384589″]
Notice the use of the word “would” in my statement.[/quote]

heh heh…link[/quote]

You just reminded me why I went on sabbatical from UW.[/quote]

(glad I didn’t go with the “how much wood would Doc Ellis chuck …” comment I’d been considering making)

[quote comment=”384593″][quote comment=”384592″][quote comment=”384589″]
Notice the use of the word “would” in my statement.[/quote]

heh heh…link[/quote]

You just reminded me why I went on sabbatical from UW.[/quote]

Is that all it takes?

link

[quote comment=”384573″][quote comment=”384570″]
Donovan over at the Society for Sports Uniforms Research keeps lists of official colors. He gets them from the leagues themselves, you can trust him on this.

And yes, if a pro team uses black anywhere in its scheme it becomes an official team color. Possibly because there is more than one shade of black?

Here’s his listings for the link, link, and link. As you can see, black is an official color for all of them. Doesn’t change the BFBS one bit – it was adding black to the color scheme in the first place that triggered BFBS.

Lest anyone think that teams are this particular only with their black, check out these – the link have official versions of all the colors in their Maryland state patch and the link and link list the touches of red that appear only in their link primary link.[/quote]

thank you chance…was gonna point to SSUR

and also for reiterating my point about BFBS

just because it’s an “official” color (a la the hurricanes, amongst other offenders), it’s STILL BFBS…just like the mets, royals, tennessee, reds (maybe), lions, dook, etc.

it’s the superfluous and unnecessary adding of black to a colorscheme that constitutes BFBS…once it’s added, and becomes official, doesn’t make it any less egregious[/quote]
*sigh*

The Hurricanes’ colors are Red, Black, and White. All three are used in equal amounts in advertising and promotions, and have been since inception. THEY ARE NOT BFBS. And that is just one of the teams that this applies to.

Think about it this way. I’d venture to say there are a couple of questions you need to ask before labelling someone ‘BFBS’:
1. What was the ORIGINAL color scheme of the franchise when it was formed in its current state (including drastic re-vamps of the color scheme, like what the Washington Capitals or Buffalo Sabres recently did, jersey altercations or slight modifications to color scheme do not count).
2. Was black one of the MAIN (not trim) colors?
3. What other color could be used for an alternate uniform?

If black is part of answer 1, 2 is yes, and 3 does not include anything other than uniform colors that are already used, then it is not BFBS.

Using those guidelines, teams like the following are EXEMPT:

Carolina Panthers
Carolina Hurricanes
Chicago Blackhawks
Philadelphia Flyers
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
etc

Teams that are blatant BFBS:

Tennessee Volunteers
Duke Blue Devils
Butler Bulldogs
Philadelphia Eagles (transition between greens is not drastic enough to qualify)
New York Mets

Now, there is one team that would throw this argument into a bit of a mess. New Jersey Devils. Their original color scheme was red and green, and then switched to red and black. If they had gone with black right after the switch, then they are BFBS, but if they do it now, it has been so long, and since black is a primary color, they are exempt. Therefore, this last question is added:

4. If black wasn’t an original color, how long has it been since it was instituted as a primary color before being used as the primary color of a jersey?

If the answer to this is 10 years or more, they are EXEMPT.

Although Prince Fielder alluded a month or so ago the team would still un-tuck after victories… the Crew have won their past two games, and have not un-tucked.

link

The Rams GM said some really stupid shit today. I’m guessing that they will be wearing their blue pants often.

[quote comment=”384547″][quote comment=”384529″]
I’d prefer Tennessee stick to their official orange and white, but one could argue that black trim is needed for Tennessee uniforms because orange and white are not legible together.[/quote]

Of all the one color and white teams, the only two I can think of where they actually benefit from a dark outline on the numbers are the Vols and UNC. Tennessee’s orange, like Carolina blue, is fairly light and doesn’t show up that well on road white. Most one color teams primary shade is dominant, like Duke’s blue, Alabama’s crimson, the Celtics green, Colts blue, etc. When you add black to another dominant color, the result always looks like complete shit. And when you throw it into perfectly good TWO color schemes, like blue and orange, navy and gold, etc. it REALLY looks like shit.

Pirates in black alts, a first for a Wednesday.

link!
What the heck? Why couldn’t Zaun wear stirrups when he was with the Rays? I’ve been waiting impatiently for years for a (Devil) Ray to wear proper hosiery in the majors.

[quote comment=”384616″][quote comment=”384614″]link!
What the heck? Why couldn’t Zaun wear stirrups when he was with the Rays?[/quote]

He did, at least a few times. I specifically recall it, plus it’s referenced in this comment from last September:
link
Well I’ll be… How did I miss that? There has to be a pic out there somewhere.

[quote comment=”384618″]
Well I’ll be… How did I miss that? There has to be a pic out there somewhere.[/quote]

ask…and ye shall receive

Can’t believe I’m the first to post this one (if I am):

link

[quote comment=”384617″]Hanley Ramirez is wearing light-aqua cleats and also has aqua webbing in his black glove.[/quote]

Best picture, so far…

link

[quote comment=”384624″][quote comment=”384619″]Andy Pettit has a shout out to long time Yankees trainer Gene Monahan on his cap tonight. “Geno” is in the hospital apparently.[/quote]

Where on his cap was this written?:
link

[quote comment=\”384624\”][quote comment=\”384619\”]Andy Pettit has a shout out to long time Yankees trainer Gene Monahan on his cap tonight. \”Geno\” is in the hospital apparently.[/quote]

Where on his cap was this written?:
link

Hard to see, but it is on the back of the cap to the right of the MLB logo.

One of the San Francisco Giants players had San Francisco misspelled on his jersey in tonight’s game link

[quote comment=”384604″]Although Prince Fielder alluded a month or so ago the team would still un-tuck after victories… the Crew have won their past two games, and have not un-tucked.

link

Whatever. They look like slobs. And if Fielder pulls that celebration stunt @ home plate against the Giants again, we’ll hit him in the regular season just like Zito did in Arizona.

Look and act like you’ve been there before, Prince.

[quote comment=”384513″]
Nah, the Sox were followers. The LA Kings went from Lakers colors to Raiders colors in 1988. The Atlanta Falcons switched to black jerseys in 1990.

In any case, we’ve had the BFBS thing for over 20 years… it’s not going anywhere.[/quote]

Just to shed a little historical perspective on the NHL…

– The Anaheim Mighty Ducks went with a black alternate in 2003.

– Buffalo went black-red-and-silver in 1996.

– The Calgary Flames introduced a black alternate in 1998.

– Chicago introduced a black alternate in 1996.

– The Minnesota North Stars changed from green to black in 1991.

– Philly introduced the black alternate in 1997.

– Phoenix started with a black road jersey in 1996.

– San Jose joined the black uniform culture in 2001.

– Washington threw a black alternate into the mix in 1997.

[quote comment=”384602″]
*sigh*

The Hurricanes’ colors are Red, Black, and White. All three are used in equal amounts in advertising and promotions, and have been since inception. THEY ARE NOT BFBS. And that is just one of the teams that this applies to.

Think about it this way. I’d venture to say there are a couple of questions you need to ask before labelling someone ‘BFBS’:
1. What was the ORIGINAL color scheme of the franchise when it was formed in its current state (including drastic re-vamps of the color scheme, like what the Washington Capitals or Buffalo Sabres recently did, jersey altercations or slight modifications to color scheme do not count).
2. Was black one of the MAIN (not trim) colors?
3. What other color could be used for an alternate uniform?

If black is part of answer 1, 2 is yes, and 3 does not include anything other than uniform colors that are already used, then it is not BFBS.

Using those guidelines, teams like the following are EXEMPT:

Carolina Panthers
Carolina Hurricanes
Chicago Blackhawks
Philadelphia Flyers
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
etc

Teams that are blatant BFBS:

Tennessee Volunteers
Duke Blue Devils
Butler Bulldogs
Philadelphia Eagles (transition between greens is not drastic enough to qualify)
New York Mets

Now, there is one team that would throw this argument into a bit of a mess. New Jersey Devils. Their original color scheme was red and green, and then switched to red and black. If they had gone with black right after the switch, then they are BFBS, but if they do it now, it has been so long, and since black is a primary color, they are exempt. Therefore, this last question is added:

4. If black wasn’t an original color, how long has it been since it was instituted as a primary color before being used as the primary color of a jersey?

If the answer to this is 10 years or more, they are EXEMPT.[/quote]

Your rules are complete BS because they are YOUR rules.

When did black become a colour? If it’s not a colour – and it’s not – then it cannot be part of a colour scheme. But that a philosophical question.

The Hurricanes have silver/gray in their colour scheme. In fact, they have a lot of it considering they weave the colour into their jersey’s neckline and hem stripes. Just because you can’t see if clearly doesn’t mean it ain’t there. It’s there, and is featured just as prominently as the black is throughout their jerseys and logo.

Therefore, they went black to follow a trend. Thanks for being sheep, they’re BFBS, and they suck balls for doing so.

Other teams that have done so? Philly, San Jose, Washington, Calgary, Minnesota North Stars, and Buffalo as an example.

Alternate jerseys that are black are BFBS BY DEFINITION because they are alternate jerseys. Otherwise, Carolina should have gone with black as their main road uniform colour when they moved. Then there would be no argument about their colour scheme.

[quote comment=”384568″]Some more of the batting helmet photos

link

link

link

link

link[/quote]
Which of these pirates is holding a helmet?
Jon Olerud

[quote comment=”384634″][quote comment=”384604″]Although Prince Fielder alluded a month or so ago the team would still un-tuck after victories… the Crew have won their past two games, and have not un-tucked.

link

Whatever. They look like slobs. And if Fielder pulls that celebration stunt @ home plate against the Giants again, we’ll hit him in the regular season just like Zito did in Arizona.

Look and act like you’ve been there before, Prince.[/quote]

I don’t want to defend Prince and his home run celebration, but what if Kung Fu Panda his a walk off job when competing for a playoff spot toward the end of a season? My strong guess is that you would love it. Prince, and the other Brewers, have stated the home run celebration was not intended to “show up” anyone on any team at any time. You can believe them or not, but they said that wasn’t the case.

On the flip side of the coin, Hoffman doesn’t really like the fact that the Brewers have a countdown sign at Miller Park counting down to his 600th save. (He did give the approval though). He says it is more bulletin board material for other teams.

link

[quote comment=”384625″]People refer to Harvard as being in Boston? It’s in Cambridge, though. Right? Or is Cambridge a borough or something?

(I’m not being a wiseass this time.)[/quote]

[quote comment=\”384625\”]People refer to Harvard as being in Boston? It\’s in Cambridge, though. Right? Or is Cambridge a borough or something?

(I\’m not being a wiseass this time.)[/quote]

The college and many of the graduate schools are in Cambridge. Harvard Square and Harvard Yard are in Cambridge. Some of the graduate schools are in Boston, being (generally speaking) south of the Charles river.

Just realized something: under Beardface’s rules, I guess link.