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How Deep Is Your Glove?

[Editor’s Note: Paul is on vacation. Today we have an excellent feature by intern Mike Chamernik — enjoy.]

By Mike Chamernik

I played baseball in Little League and the lower levels of high school, and I’ve always worn my fielding glove the same way. I always have my left index finger exposed on the back of my glove, giving my glove a little larger of a pocket.

Actually, I should say I’ve almost always done this. For a stretch when I was nine and ten, I kept my finger inside the glove. No reason for this change other than personal preference.

I figured this must be the case throughout the baseball world, from sandlots to the pros. Sure, players have different gloves based on the positions they play, but the way they wear those gloves, with the index finger in or out (or sometimes with the finger sleeve, which is sort of in and sort of out), is just a matter of personal preference, right?

Not so.

I looked at all of the photos on from the 45 MLB games played over the weekend of April 18-20 and tallied how the players wore their gloves. That isn’t a definitive survey method, of course — it’s just one weekend, and I could only base my findings on photos that showed the back of a player’s glove. But it’s a decent enough snapshot for our purposes. And what I found is that wearing the index finger in or out breaks down pretty rigidly depending on a player’s position in the field.

Here’s a quick summary:

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Since there were so few photos of outfielders in the games I looked at, I Googled 15 more outfielders and found that 11 went finger-in and 4 went finger-out, which pretty much confirmed the trend I had initially identified.

Why is this so? Why are catchers and infielders almost always finger-out? Why are outfielders finger-in? Why do so many pitchers use the sleeve? To find out, I spoke with some people within baseball and the equipment industry: Cody Hall, a pitcher in the Giants organization, and Lou Rusnock and Ryan Ball from the sports equipment site Sports Unlimited. Here’s what they told me:

• For catchers, it’s simple. Getting their index fingers out of the pocket gives them a little more padding and helps prevents jammed and stung fingers. Makes sense.

• Infielders are the same way. Exposing their fingers gives them a little more cushion too, and Rusnock said the exposed finger allows them to control their gloves better, which is important when transferring the ball from the glove to the hand for a throw.

• Pitchers have the most leeway with wearing their gloves based on comfort. Some use the finger sleeve, a piece of leather attached to the back of the glove, that helps to prevent tipping pitches. Ball said that the finger sleeve originated with Orel Hershiser — he liked having his finger out, but he would wiggle it when throwing a breaking ball, hence the need to hide the telltale digit.

Hall said that he knew guys in college who tipped — they pressed their index fingers into the glove for fastballs and extended them upward for offspeed pitches, so the sleeve helped them avoid that. But the sleeve can also be just an aesthetic thing. “Some use it for straight show,” he said. “They like the look of it. They’ll actually keep their fingers in the glove and keep the finger sleeve on there [even though they’re not using it].”

• Outfielders might be finger-in, but it’s not as easy as that. They’ll actually wear their gloves so that the pinkie and ring finger are together in the pinkie compartment, and their other two fingers move over one slot. This leaves the index finger slot empty, which creates a deeper pocket. Rusnock said that wearing the glove that way also raises the glove up on the hand, extending it by a quarter of an inch. “It gives them a little extra reach,” he said (click to enlarge):

Actually, here’s where my little survey breaks down. After speaking with Hall, the Giants minor leaguer, he said players across the diamond — not just outfielders, but infielders and pitchers, too — use the two-fingers-in-the-pinkie-slot method, which Hall called “two in the pink” (insert shocker jokes here). Infielders and pitchers also expose their index fingers when doing two in the pink, so it’s tough to tell who does what just by looking at the photos.

Hall, a pitcher, does the two in the pink method himself. He began doing it after a teammate introduced him to it at the start of his minor league career. “I do it for a comfort feel,” Hall said. “That’s a big thing with a lot of guys.”

Even though outfielders and infielders wear different gloves with different functions, infielders will do the two in the pink technique with the finger exposed. A finger out lets the glove close with less pressure on the pocket. Combining that with two in the pink helps with the pocket as well. Since the fingers have shifted over one slot, it can look like the middle finger is exposed, but it’s actually the index finger:

“Most infielders on a normal routine play, they don’t catch the ball in their pocket,” Hall said. “They catch it right on their palm so they can get rid of it. They keep their finger out, from what I was told, [because] it keeps the glove wide and you can push down on that back and it keep the glove wide instead of closing it in a narrower fashion.”

Hall said some outfielders even do three in the pink, which he tried and found comfortable.

Shifting fingers is impractical with certain gloves, however. For instance, a fielder can’t do two in the pink with an exposed index finger with a glove that just has an index hole (as opposed to a wide opening above a strap) because the hole would be above an empty index finger slot. Of the game photos I saw, I don’t recall seeing any infielders with hole gloves, and I don’t recall many pitchers, either. First base was almost exclusively hole, as was catcher. Outfielders used both.

“From taking a look at the outfield gloves that we carry, it doesn’t seem that many have the finger hole,” Rusnock said. “Although there are some exceptions, including this glove or this one that have both a finger hole and an adjustable strap. Wilson and Mizuno don’t seem to use the finger hole much at all, while Louisville Slugger has both kinds in their outfield gloves, the one in the link above with the hole/strap combo and this kind without a hole.”

With so many players doing two in the pink, more gloves aren’t being used as they were intended. Equipment companies are taking note.

“I think the glove companies are constantly making adjustments to their gloves to accommodate the players’ needs,” Rusnock said. “So they’re building pockets and finger slots that make it easier to wear the glove with two fingers in the pinkie slot without having to overextend. I don’t think it’s something that they’re making a highlighted feature of the product, but they’re adjusting their designs accordingly.”


Mike's QOTW

Mike Chamernik’s…

Question of the Week

Every Thursday Intern Mike Chamernik poses a uniform-related question to the readership. Here’s today’s:

. . .

What was your favorite uni set or logo when you were a kid? Not necessarily what you like now when you look back on your youth, but what looks did you prefer when you were actually an adolescent?

I enjoyed the Orlando Magic’s logo and uniforms, the Houston Astros’ 2000 revamp, and… I especially loved the Mets’ black caps. What do you guys got?


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‘skins Watch: According to this article from NBC Washington, “(I)t might not have been the best idea for the team’s Instagram account to post a picture Tuesday chronicling the history of their cheerleading uniforms, which in the past featured fairly obvious caricatures of Native Americans.” … The Detroit News will no longer use the team name for the Washington Redskins “in routine football coverage, reflecting the growing view that the term is offensive to many Americans,” and has told its reporters to describe the NFL franchise as “Washington” or the “Washington football team.” (thanks to Mike Cole) … Since FedEx has a longstanding contractual commitment to naming rights at FedEx Field, where the ‘skins play, The National Congress of American Indians sent a letter to FedEx CEO Frederick W. Smith on Tuesday asking for his help to change the Washington NFL team’s name. … Over in Cleveland, a Cleveland-based Native American activist group says it’s planning to sue the Cleveland Indians in federal court next month for $9 billion, and “will ask for retribution dating back to 1915 when the baseball team adopted the Indians name.” … How did they arrive at the $9 billion figure? “We’re going to be asking for $9 billion and we’re basing it on a hundred years of disparity, racism, exploitation and profiteering.” … This opinion piece from the Boston Herald takes a swipe at “the PC police, led by big-city white elitists,” who want to “wipe from history a multihued American past that conflicts with their monochromatic world view.” Interestingly, the author claims the “Redskins” name derives not from William “Lone Star” Dietz, who the team themselves say was the inspiration, but from King Tammany, who “looks much like the man in the Redskins logo: same distinct nose, headdress and swept-back black hair,” (thanks to John Cushing for tipping me off to the article). … This article from The Economist argues that “it is not the privilege of the powerful to dictate which words are hurtful,” while rebutting “Mr Snyder’s claim that because the name ‘Redskins’ is not intentionally cruel it should not be interpreted as cruel.” (Thanks to Mike Styczen for that one). …’s FanSided asks, “Now that the trademark registration has been cancelled, does that mean that the rest of the owners in the NFL will pressure Dan Snyder to finally give in?” … As reported by “Kissing Suzy Kolber,” an op-ed in The Washington Times suggests renaming the Redskins as the Reagans, “because every conservative in and around D.C. wants to rename everything for the 40th president.” (Thanks to Yusuke Toyoda).


Uni Watch News Ticker:

Today’s ticker was written and compiled by Mike Chamernik

Baseball News: The Williamsport Crosscutters wore ugly Christmas sweater jerseys for a Halfway to Christmas promotion (from Patrick O’Neill). ”¦ The Nashville Sounds will wear an American flag uniform during their homestand this weekend (from Zack Bennett). ”¦ The St. Paul Saints are holding a jersey design contest. The Saints will wear the winning concept on August 8. ”¦ In the Texas League All-Star game this week, the winners of the home run derby and all-star game MVP each got championship belts (from Michael Cossey). ”¦ The Birmingham Barons held their annual Rickwood Classic yesterday, with throwback uniforms and stadium experience (from Nolan E. Jones). ”¦ The West Michigan Whitecaps will wear Storm Trooper jerseys for Star Wars Night this Saturday. ”¦ Jonathan Daniel spotted two Giants fans with World Series ring headwear. By the way, fans of the MVP Baseball video game series are well familiar with that sign. ”¦ Tim Lincecum wore a USA soccer jersey after his no-hitter yesterday (from Phil). Also spotted sporting USA colors: Hunter Pence. … Several Orioles tried on isoBLOX protective caps (from Andrew Cosentino). ”¦ New unis for East Carolina (from Leland Privott). ”¦ Diamondbacks minor leaguer Justin Gonzalez still wears his Florida State wrist brace (from Mike Davidson). ”¦ Fellow skedder Matthew Robins came across a 1974 Yankees schedule for one of their Shea Stadium seasons. ”¦ Speaking of that, I asked a bunch of MLB teams to send me a pocket schedule or two, and the envelopes they come in are nearly as cool as the schedules themselves.

Soccer News: Burnley FC has a new home kit (from Phil). ”¦ The World Cup logo looks like someone facepalming. ”¦ Jerry Kulig sends in some Brazil flag swimwear. ”¦ Tottenham Hotspur’s new jerseys were leaked (from Danny Garrison). ”¦ Old article, but here’s a history on jersey swaps (from Gregory Koch). ”¦ Adidas foresees selling eight million World Cup jerseys (from Tommy Turner). ”¦ Everton FC has a new home kit. ”¦ Neymar wore unsanctioned underpants against Cameroon and FIFA isn’t pleased (from Phil). ”¦ Here’s a chart that shows every possible outcome of the Group G matchups today (from Phil). … And a possibly easier-to-understand graphic on how the US can survive (thanks to Aram Gyan). … Also from Aram, an alternative, more American, nickname idea for the USMNT: “The Fearless P’Zones.” … The Astros are opening up Minute Maid Park early so fans can catch the US-Germany game/fill some empty seats, which is cool (and the German flag is the original Tequila sunrise) but a problem – it’s “fútbol”, not “futból”. Is this an “accent accident”, as Bvk1126 put in the comments, or maybe “diacritical disaster”?

NBA News: Here’s an article that argues that uniform ads wouldn’t be a big deal in the NBA. It’s only two paragraphs long so it doesn’t say too much, but the cases in point for the author are the bush leagues, NASCAR and European soccer. Not exactly apples to apples with the NBA. My take is that uniform ads are horrible, and my big reason is that when watching the NBA we’re already bombarded with six TV timeouts, six timeouts per team, and quarter and half breaks. We got plenty of enough advertising as it is. ”¦ It’s probably just a fan speculation (instead of an official news leak of some sort) but I can get behind the Warriors in black unis. ”¦ Last call for Bobcats merchandise. Knowing how cyclical things are, Bobcats hats and shirts will be the hip thing with the teenagers of 2024 (from Josh Claywell).

Grab Bag: Women’s blog Jezebel ranked men’s sports uniforms in order of attractiveness (from Woody Weaver). ”¦ Here’s a neat Packers-Giants preseason program from 1946 (from Phil). … New logos for Murray State (from Phil). ”¦ Rich Paloma wrote a good column about his jersey collection. ”¦ Someone mocked up a white Michigan State football helmet. ”¦ U.S. states’ license plate design has gone downhill over the last few decades (from Jason Hillyer). ”¦ Here’s a guide to horse racing colors and silks (from Caleb Weaver). ”¦ Seems like there will be a football scene in Batman vs. Superman (from Phil). ”¦ Notre Dame will unveil its new Under Armour gear on July 1 (from Warren Junium).


Comments (140)

    Oakland Raiders when they were wearing the black jerseys. Still a fan to this day because of those uniforms.

    Seconded, though they were in LA at time for me. I picked the Raiders as my team when I was 5, because of the uniform and colors. I absolutely loved the white throwback jerseys with the silver numbers in 1994, but I was 13 at the time so that probably puts me out of the age range of the question.

    I also remember liking the Seahawks jerseys with the wraparound sleeve logos, and the Astro’s tequila sunrise jerseys, though I only saw those on baseball cards.

    The sleeves looked baggy on TV – not sure if that was because of the fat white bands, but either way, it was a poor, outdated look.

    Thanks for the link on the license plate designs. I was a kid that collected the mini plates out of the Honeycomb cereal boxes, so I love the old ones.

    The decline of the license plate has been something I’ve been complaining about for a while. The new Michigan plates have a tiny cursive ‘Pure Michigan’ logo that you can’t even read unless you’re tailgating. The state name should be a big stamped identifier, proclaiming the state’s name.

    QotW: I first got into sports circa 1980, when I was 6. First uniforms I remember being really into were the burgundy Phillies, the racing-stripe Mets, Iowa Hawkeyes football, and a lot of kids I knew had flat-top Pirates caps. Man how I jonesed for a black Bucs cap!

    Re the “Reagans” thing, I’ve tried for years to persuade some longtime DC statehood activists I know to propose entering the union as the state of Reagan and dare congressional Republicans to vote against it. Sure, not many in DC are huge Gipper fans, but surely naming the new state after Christopher Columbus, as the statehood constitution currently provides, offends liberal sensibilities even more.

    I’ve never read any of the statehood proposals because they’re just pipe-dreams, but naming it after Columbus seems even sillier in this day and age.

    My problem with DC statehood has always been the awkwardness of what to call Washington afterwards. Now granted, I realize that Washington and DC are functionally and politically the same, but we all still say “Washington, DC”. So what would we say if the name was changed? “Washington, Reagan”? Eh. What if we named it “George”? “Washington, George”. I guess Georgia might have some hard feelings over such a similar name. Maybe they should just organize a trade with Washington State for sole rights to “Washington”. Maybe the Feds could throw in a Congressman to be Named Later, or two. Or perhaps the Seahawks and the Washingtoon Football Team could play for it. Winner gets to keep the Washington name AND their mascot. Smell the ratings!

    I think if it becomes a state, it would default to being Columbia. (Which is annoying since Columbia is also the name of a well-known South American country.) The “DC” stands for District of Columbia. Washington is the city, Columbia is the area in which it resides.

    I think it’d be more logical to just annex it into Virginia or Maryland and be done with it. The city becomes “Washington, Maryland” or “Washington, Virginia” and you just have a limited “Federal District” containing all of the government buildings, with no actual residency.

    I think it’d be more logical to just annex it into Virginia or Maryland and be done with it.

    Yeah, MD would make sense since it’s already trending towards becoming a solid “blue state.” That’s why statehood will never happen, there’s no way the GOP would allow 2 Senators from any 90% Democratic area – DC or otherwise.

    I do like the shrunken “federal district” idea.

    There is no South American country named Columbia. There is one, however, named Colombia.

    I guess in my post I was ruling out “Columbia” due to it literally meaning “Land of Columbus”, since arrScott started by pointing out how poor of a choice that would actually be. But I totally agree that having Maryland annex the District would be the most logical decision.

    The name Columbus would be offensive for a new DC state, but is okay for an existing city in Ohio? Come on, PC police, let’s get on this one, too.

    OK, the money grab against the Cleveland Indians is a little absurd, right? First, I don’t find the term “Indians” as all that disparaging. Second, that’s a ridiculous sum of money.

    This has been done before.
    Cleveland AIM (American Indian Movement), under the leadership of Russell Means in the 1970’s, tried unsuccessfully to sue the Cleveland Indians for $9 million.

    It’s preposterous and quite sad at the same time. It seems the legal vultures have circled upon finding their new meal ticket. Frankly, $9 billion… with a claim of oppression back to 1915 is absurd. Because the team is named the Indians?

    What’s next, Irish suing Notre Dame?
    Monks suing San Diego?
    Northerners suing New York?

    Regardless of one’s opinion about the offensiveness of “Redskins” … usage of the term Indians is hardly a legal matter. Someone has been given really high-profile but poor advice.

    QOTW: The Rainbow gut Astros, with the orange cap. I also liked the orange Orioles uni tops.

    Stupified there was no mention of the headgear worn in yesterday’s France-Ecuador game. Like the stuff the local Asian market wraps pears in:

    Stupified no one sent it in. You have the uniwatching@gmail address right? If you see something like that, please send it in — if you haven’t noticed, I try to contribute as much to the ticker as I can, but I don’t see everything (and that game took place while I was in the office, so I didn’t see it).

    Next time you see something like that, please submit it for the ticker!

    Would’ve, if I’d watched the game myself. Only saw it this morning reading a recap (France being my second-choice team to root for if the US is eliminated).

    The Crosscutters’ game last night was rained out, so their website shows that the promotion has been link, when they’ll make up the game in a double-header.

    Of course, this means they’ll probably be doing TWO ugly jerseys in one day, since the Cutters will probably have some overly-patriotic flag-based jersey for the first game.

    Since lots of kids play lots of positions, where I put my fingers depended on the position I was playing. I felt it was easier to catch flyballs with two fingers in the pinky because you could flex the glove back and forth easier (if it’s broken in correctly). But I felt for fielding grounders, it was easier if I put my fingers where they’re supposed to be, so I can spread the glove out as much as possible for any bad hops and still give the ball the best chance to hit the glove.

    For my outfield glove, I’d put two in the pinky and stretched my pointer to fit thru the finger-hole, mainly because I thought it looked weird that the finger hole didn’t have a finger through it. For my pitcher’s and infielder’s glove(s), I had one finger in each slot with the pointer out…one of my pitchers gloves has a pad for the pointer out and again, thought it looked weird to not use it, so I had it out for all of my infielders gloves over the years out of habit, whether they had the pad or not. And for my one and only first base glove that lasted me my whole career (and is still in fantastic shape), the opening was a little high on my hand, making it uncomfortable to stick my pointer out, but the padding in the glove was and is enough for me to not need the extra padding of sticking it out anyway, so I kept it in.

    Great article though, this is the type of stuff Uni-Watch should always be about, something I feel is sometimes lost when Paul is in charge…it gets too political/opinionated/belligerent for my tastes.

    That said…holy hell that lawsuit against the Indians. $9 BILLION??? With a B? MLB’s total revenue last year was just over $8 billion, and they want a billion MORE than that from ONE team? They have to know they have absolutely no chance at winning that suit, if for no other reason than it’s sheer ridiculousness of their demands.

    The Redskins’ trademarks are not yet cancelled. The Trademark Trial and Appeal Board ruled that the marks are subject to cancellation. The cancellation is pending until the appeal period is over.

    And do we think the Redskins and the NFL are not going to appeal this decision?


    I grew up in the nineties and was definitely part of the target demographic for the teal takeover. Hornets, Mariners, Sharks, Marlins, Jaguars, Grizzlies, Greensboro Bats…you name it.

    Technically the Panthers aren’t teal, but unique shades of blue or green or purple were definitely part of the zeitgeist. Orlando Magic blue, the Mighty Ducks, original Washington Wizards, Memphis Maniax, et al.

    Purple and orange were also very hot. The Suns had been wearing that combo for decades, but they sort of fell into fashion in the Barkley/KJ/Majerle era.

    “Tim Lincecum wore a USA soccer jersey after his no-hitter yesterday”

    …and apparently a knight’s helmet?

    Besides me beloved Hornets, I liked the Deion Sanders-era Falcons uni set.

    Looking back now, link, but I guess it was very much of the time.

    I also liked the link, but that was just for one season so I’m not sure it counts.

    And I got a Seattle Mariners cap when they switched to navy and teal, and I didn’t even like baseball.

    Dated? The Falcons’ 1990s unis look like all-time classics compared to what they’ve been wearing since 2003.

    Well, that looks dated too,. The 1989 design would hold up well, or something more like the current Seahawks that’s cleaner and not so clunky.

    There’s a very fine and somewhat arbitrary line between “dated” and “classic”. Is it really any worse or even any different if a uniform looks like it was designed in the 90’s vs looking like it was designed in the 60’s?

    I don’t know where the line is, but to me, “classic” is closer to “timeless”, something of another time that would work no matter what the aesthetics trends happen to be. “Dated” is something that hasn’t aged well.

    As a Falcons fan for many decades I’ve long wanted them to keep the current logo but go back to those Falcons unis from the Deion era. But then again I HATE seeing them in red and black IS my favorite color.

    But if they went back to those uniforms, they wouldn’t have a unique font all their own! Isn’t that a requirement these days??.

    Liked the glove stuff as well. I thought the finger sleeve was pretty much a custom thing for whatever position and whatever situation might arise – an outfielder protecting his outside finger when diving for a ball or an infielder or pitcher protecting that same finger from a line drive jamming or breaking it. The Hershiser reason is interesting, and something I was not aware of. Thanks for all that info.

    I actually had that exact same glove that’s pictured in the ‘watch. Saved up money from my paper route (the Rapid City Journal), and it was the first ‘big’ purchase I ever made. By the way, where did you get that glove…Hmmm…

    Thanks guys!

    Do you mean the glove that I’m wearing in the embedded photos? It’s a Louisville Slugger “Big Daddy” glove, I’m guessing a softball glove because it’s so big. I got it from my grandma’s house, so I’m sure it’s at least 30 years old.

    I used to like the old Tennessee Volunteers uni set. I liked the narrower helmet stripe and thinner more squared T logo. And the biggest thing of all was the orange is the real Tennessee orange not what they wear now. It was paler and unique. Now they just look like tangerines.

    On baseball gloves, I wore two in the pink, though we didn’t call it that, when I was a kid in the late 60s and until I quit playing in the 80s due to knee injuries. It was a trial and error sort of thing more than likely started as an accident that caught on. I picked it up from a childhood teammate who picked it up from his older brother and no telling where the older brother picked it up.

    I’ll have to give that a try when I get home tonight. I feel like I wouldn’t like it because I like to pull my glove on a tight/snug as i can.

    QotW: The Dodgers and Raiders uniforms helped make me a fan for life when I was young. Always loved the Raiders’ logo and colors more than any other team.

    As a kid I liked the Athletics green & gold and I liked the Eagles (wings) and Vikings (horns) helmets though I didn’t really root for them more than other teams because of it.

    The only sport I saw often as a young kid was football. Most Sundays had two morning games (one NFL/NFC and one AFL/AFC that often inexplicably included the Bengals) and the Broncos with the regular two o’clock game. When it came about Monday Night Football was a pretty big deal too, even though it meant missing Gunsmoke.

    Loved the Cowboys in white, Vikings in purple or the Lions in either uniform. Liked the Chargers, Oilers and Jets jerseys too, but have never liked white helmets.

    . . . and I loved it when the Rams added (didn’t know at the time it was returned) yellow.

    QOTW: I loved lots of uniforms as a kid. The Hawks lime green uniforms were so different. The Hawks had three uni sets at the time (lime, royal, and white) which was unique.

    Also liked the Braves feather unis – also unique for the time. I just liked uniforms. Raiders, 49ers, Cowboys. Like Scott, I liked the burgundy Phillies unis.

    I didn’t really become a uni-geek until my late teens in the early 1990s, so I guess the unis I cared about the most as a youth were for the teams I cared about the most: the Tigers and the Red Wings.

    The Tigers’ home unis were largely the same as today, aside from pant length. The road unis had the vertically-arched block “DETROIT” on the front (and were pullovers through 1984).

    For the Red Wings, I’ve always preferred the white unis with the red sleeves. Something about the contrast just appeals to me. I grew to like the Penguins’ unis from this era for similar reasons.

    Thinking back now, though, probably the first uniform that truly fascinated me was the San Francisco 49ers, in Super Bowl XVI. Their unis appealed to me more than the black and orange of the Bengals.

    I always loved the Redwings white jerseys with the reverse sleeves… made all the better by the fact that the red jerseys DIDN’T have reverse sleeves.

    I always liked when a hockey team’s light and dark jerseys weren’t merely mirror images of each other. Like Montreal’s red jersey having that wide torso stripe, but not on the white jersey. Or the Rangers having the shoulder yoke (is that what it’s called?) on their white jerseys, but not on their blue ones.


    It looks like Ferris State University has just signed a deal with Under Armour. Kind of cool, especially since most D-II schools don’t get apparel deals this big. I’d imagine that the hockey team’s success has to help.


    Nothing is really stated to say that the UA deal is “this big.”

    It could just be the supplier gives them a better discount or rebating. I’m sure there are some perks, but I wouldn’t imagine it’s all that “special.”

    Growing up in Orange County, CA, I was part of the “birth” of the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim. Since I was born in Anaheim and grew up in the gown over, I felt it was my duty to support home town teams. As much as I hated teal, I loved the jade jerseys. The shoulder patch they added later on was silly, but I would wear my Paul Kariya jersey and my brother would wear his Teemu jersey and we had lots of fun with those. I’m still angry the Queens beat them in the playoffs.

    As a child of the 1970’s living in Philadelphia, I was drawn in by the orange and black and winged P logo of the city’s NHL team.

    Uniforms I loved as a kid: classic Cubs pinstripes with the blue number on the back; Phillies with their Helvetica font and powder blue; same for the Expos and their distinctive style.

    I really like powder blue and cool number fonts, it seems.

    Not that different from current. Despite growing up in the 80s-90s, I disliked the Teal, and especially Teal/Purple. The only things I know I strongly liked were the ballcaps from the A’s (kelly with yellow brim) and Royals (blue KC). I also preferred my hometown Twins’ old TC caps over the new m caps, but it wasn’t like there was a market for throwbacks then.

    My first fitted cap was the A’s (despite them being the Twins’ rival at the time) and I was quite proud of it because of the look, until I saw someone else with the KC cap and began to doubt my choice.

    At a younger age (maybe 10), I liked the maroon Phillies’ cap, because I liked maroon.

    PS. The only non-baseball thing I know I liked was the old North Stars N logo in kelly, yellow, and white. So I guess I liked nearly the same color combos as Lukas.

    QOTW: I am a “Washington” football fan, but I do love the throwbacks they wore (not the current version with the faux leather helmets) but the version with the yellow helmet and the “R”. I linked to them here:
    I always thought these were cool. Also I am a big fan of the Oakland A’s yellow jersey with the A on them. Would love if they could come up with an Alternate that had the elephant on it.

    Also in the “shaped like the state” category: Colorado, Wyoming and Saskatchewan

    “… Jerry Kulig sends in some Brazil flag swimwear. … ”

    Amazing what one’s imagination can do with that bikini.

    There were two logos that I loved as a kid and still love 45 years later:

    The spoked B on the Boston Bruins jersey. I was especially attracted to the gold B on the black jersey. I wish they would bring that back rather than having a black B on both of their jerseys.

    The big bold white W on the Winnipeg Blue Bombers classic gold helmet. They fancied it up with a lightning bolt for about 15 years starting in 1997 but, thankfully, they went back to the basics.

    I’m not a fan of the team but the Dallas Cowboys’ star has always been pretty cool.

    I should add that the Milwaukee Brewers ball in glove logo is absolutely fantastic but I didn’t discover that one until I was older.

    “The spoked B on the Boston Bruins jersey. I was especially attracted to the gold B on the black jersey. I wish they would bring that back rather than having a black B on both of their jerseys.”

    Me, too. I think there must have been a league wide mandate (or pressure) to have one crest. The Red Wings crests used to be opposite on each sweater, now they just use one, too.

    The Canadiens have one crest, you just see the different jersey colors through the cut out. I can’t think of any other team that does that.

    Grew up in the 50s/60s and my favorite uni was the BlackHawks’ white sweater. Nothing was close. My friends and I were all Rangers fans but we all agreed that if we could wear any jersey that would be the one.


    I’ve had the same glove since 1965, a Rawlings Wally Bunker model. and in 49 years my index finger has never been in that glove. There’s a joke here someplace.

    Count me among those disappointed in modern license plate design, at least for link.

    I have the “Spectacular Peninsulas” plate on my car (which, despite the graphic, does have embossed alphanumerics). I definitely don’t like the “Pure Michigan” slogo (yes, I’m using a portmanteau of “slogan” and “logo”!) replacing the larger “MICHIGAN” text. The current Mackinac Bridge plate is a total hot mess.

    Personally, Michigan’s link remain my favorite.

    QOTW: I am a Disney fan so I thought it was cool when they actually went Donald-esque on the ’90s Ducks logo.

    Also, being from DC, I liked how the ’70s Bullets and Capitals logos were *sort of* similar in their colors and use of objects (arms and stick) in the logos.


    1. LA Lakers Home ’87-88
    2. Cubs Road 1988
    3. Argentina 1990 World Cup
    4. Georgia Tech Football 1990
    5. Baltimore Orioles ’89 Home (although I first noticed them in ’91)
    6. Minnesota North Stars Road 1991

    Add “abolitionist” to the end of “big city white elitist” and you’ve got a column from South Carolina in 1860.


    The Seattle Seahawks 80’s uniforms. I was fascinating about the way the logo wrapped around the back of the helmet.

    The Charlotte Hornets. For a short while, the coolest jersey on the playground was a purple Larry Johnson.

    My adolescence was ca. 1967-70 (age 12-15). I was a central Ohio kid, so my favorite uniforms were those worn by my favorite teams — Reds, Browns, Bengals, Ohio State football and basketball.

    Other than those, I guess I’ve always been a classicist, because when I think back, I liked the traditionalist ones I like now — Cardinals, Dodgers, Giants, Yankees, Red Sox in baseball. Packers in the NFL. I liked the Oakland Raiders’ and KC Chiefs’ unis from that era quite a bit — pretty much the same as now.

    Never cared for Astros or As with all their wild color schemes. Didn’t like powder blues when they came into fashion in the 70s. Was appalled by Jacksonville’s and Marquette’s basketball unis. Much preferred UCLA’s. I know, boring. I’m a flaming liberal politically, but arch-conservative when it comes to uniforms!

    Seems the site ate my post about license plates…

    Basically, I agree that modern, graphic-laden plates are less appealing than the older, embossed-pattern plates. My favorite Michigan plate is their 1976 Bicentennial plate, while my least favorite is a tie between the current standard “Pure Michigan” plate and the specialty “Mackinac Bridge” plate.

    And I hate any license plate where they don’t even bother to emboss the numbers anymore (I’m looking at YOU, Indiana!).

    You guys can delete this one if you want. For some reason, neither of my posts showed up at first, but then they showed up in moderation. Weird.

    I’m still using my white-to-gold gradient Ohio plate from 1999 because I don’t like any of the designs they’ve come up with since. I don’t know why they want to have so many different possible plate designs, you’d think having one consistent look would be cheaper and easier to deal with. I don’t think counterfeit plates are a real issue, since it’s gotta be easier to just steal one than it is to make your own.

    Here there are toll roads that scan license plates to send bills by mail for incurred tolls. Someone trying to defraud that system might want to produce multiple fakes.

    Mike Chermanik said: “I especially loved the Mets’ black caps.”

    If you were my son, I’d be writing you out of the will…



    “If you were my son, I’d be writing you out of the will.”


    HAH! When I was prepping Mike’s QOTW for today, last night, I had similar words. Something about forgiving his youthful indiscretion but reminding him it might be cause for placing him on double-secret probation…

    Don’t short change yourself. The Mets black was fabulous! I still wear the black hats and jerseys.

    Great entry today Mike. I’m a “single finger out” guy because that’s what my coach taught me when I was 8 and everything else feels too uncomfortable.

    Question for you (having looked at so many photos): do any of the fielders wear gloves under their gloves?

    My impression is that most of them are barehanded under their gloves, but I seem to remember that wearing batting gloves in on the catching hand used to be a “thing” and I was wondering if it was still around.

    My 2 minute look around the internets: a few infielders and catchers wear gloves, outfielders don’t.




    Thanks! Good question. From what I remember, most were barehanded, yes. All of the pitchers were barehanded, and almost all of the catchers had a glove. Most infielders were barehanded as well.

    I used to always wear a glove under my glove. In fact, I would buy my new gloves at the same time to make sure the fit didn’t get too tight.

    Batting gloves worn inside the fielding glove help provide extra padding, particularly for old, well-worn gloves which have softened considerably. In older days, the tougher leather (steer hide or full grain) took a very long time to break in completely, and by then, much of the inner filling sandwiched between the leather shifted or compressed to the point where it offered very little cushion. Modern gloves are often made of nearly game-ready (kip) leather, which though soft, still have sufficient cushioning initially. Using a batting glove underneath is not as necessary any more, and using one takes away from the feel of the glove.

    Favorite uni set as a kid was Stanford football (1968-1972), even with the tiny s on the helmet. Liked home and road set equally.

    Those were the best North Stars uniforms, but I always thought that as the team was the North Stars, midnight blue and silver would be a more appropriate combination.


    I’m with you Mike. I was a huge fan of the Magic logo and designs. Mainly due to Shaq being my favorite player at the time. Never owned a jersey but had pleanty of hats and t-shirts. Even had the giant puffy Starter Jacket with my last name embroidered on it.

    Nowadays I lean more towards classic logos/designs like the pinwheel Expos, ball in glove Brewers, beach towel White Sox etc.

    Now here’s a question, how many people here who have large hat collections will buy hats (besides for favorite team or looks alone) because your initial(s) are on it? Like for me the Red Sox, Bruins, and Brooklyn Dodgers because of the B?

    Not quite, but I’ll throw two cents in.
    Once, in high school, I had an iPod that was old enough that carry cases were rare to find at that time. I needed a new one. I bought one with a block M for Michigan, because the M could be for Mike, because my aunt went to Michigan, AND the case was on sale and fit my model.
    I got a lot of quizzical looks when I explained that no, I was not ready to go to UMich, and no, I am not particularly a fan of the teams independently, despite my iPod case. I normally don’t buy branded gear for teams I don’t care about, but for all the reasons I mentioned, I made that one exception. (After all, Americans can’t easily score officially licensed McGill merch, haha.)

    I’d do the initial hat if there were better options. Neither Green Bay, Georgia nor Georgetown really suit me and Grambling could be badly misconstrued on a person of pallor.

    As stated above by someone else, I was born in 1984 and fell into the teal trap of the nineties.

    The other uniform I remember being really impressed by was when the Broncos came out with the Nike re-design.

    QOTW – In my formative years, I was often fascinated by uniforms that stood out from the norm. In particular, the following uniforms stood out to me:

    -The Pittsburgh Pirates’ late ’70s and early ’80s uniforms. I loved the mix-and-match gold, black, and pinstriped uniforms. In particular, I liked it when they wore gold at home as if to say, “These are our light-colored home uniforms!”

    -The Chicago Cubs’ road uniforms of the mid-’80s, with the blue jerseys and white non-pinstriped pants. The idea of the blue jersey as the dark road uniform stood out among the sea of gray (and some powder blue) worn by other teams.

    -The Montreal Expos’ pinwheel caps. They enchanted me a like a hypnotists’ spiral.

    -The Denver Broncos’ home uniforms during the ’70s and ’80s. I was (and still am) a die-hard Broncos fan, so I’m sure that influenced my opinions. But their orange jerseys were unique at the time and remain one of the most distinctive looks in NFL history.

    -The Iowa Hawkeyes’ basketball uniforms of the early to mid-’80s. They wore gold home uniforms in an era when it seemed like everyone else wore white at home. I also like the Los Angeles Lakers’ uniforms for the same reason.

    Mike – Enjoyed the ball glove entry today. Reminded me of the kind of topics the blog used to cover more in the early days.

    I was a “single finger” guy. I had a Rawlings Fastback model that had the hole for the index finger. I was a shortstop/3rd baseman back in HS. Only the outfielders put two fingers in the pinkie slot. Also, I never wore a batting glove under my ball glove. Because of that, the heel of my glove wore out every couple years from the sweat/rubbing. I’d have to take my glove to the shoe repair shop in town and they would place/stitch a leather patch into the heel.


    Probably what turned me into a uni-geek, at least in part, were the Russian jerseys worn by visiting teams in exhibition games against NHL teams ca. 1989-1991. I saw a couple New Years Eve/Day games at MSG, one was the Soviet Wings, the other was CSKA Moscow (aka Red Army), both against the Rangers. CCM even made replicas for sale of all the teams, and I got them all. There was also Moscow Dynamo, Khimik Voskresensk, and Dynamo Riga. The Red Army jersey was and still is my favorite hockey shirt.

    Born in 1989, I had a lot of old baseball cards (probably closeout purchases from my parents, in retrospect)…I thought the (just slightly before my time) Toronto Blue Jays uniforms were AWESOME as a kid. Always looked like electric stove tops, to my eyes. And it looked good with the logo, which is kind of sort of abstract but clear at the exact same time. (I’m not explaining that well, haha.) But yeah, loved that as a kid.

    I was obsessed with the Charlotte Hornets “Larry Johnson” era uniforms. The cool striping on the jersey that was spaced out. link

    I mean, I tried to replicate this in art class when we were allowed to make our own t-shirts with a screen printing press. I made the 2 in their font. Had Johnson on the back. Charlotte on the front. And the cool striping. It didn’t turn out well, but I was completely obsessed with that look.

    QOTW: As a 7-year-old (1974) in eastern Ohio, I selected the Miami Dolphins as my favorite football team based solely on their logo & colors. The Houston Oilers were a close second.

    As a 5-year-old (1972) in northeastern Ohio, I selected the Oilers as my favorite based solely on the colors. When they switched from blue helmets to white, though, I was done with them.

    A HIGHLY suspicious doodle from Google- link

    It seems reminiscent of this incident on World Cup way back machine- link

    I loved everything about the Orr-era Bruins uniforms, from the gold B on the black sweater and the black B on the white sweater (see comments above), the unique matching black pants and jerseys with contrasting gold socks (which on rare occasion they wore with the white jersey) to the fact that the black uniforms had two color numbers and the white ones had three color numbers. They brought the whole black kit back as an alternate in the good old pre-Reebok Edge era; I wish they’d kept them.

    I started getting into sports in the late ’70s, and one of the reasons I started to love football was the Los Angeles Rams uniforms. I particularly liked the white uniform with the gold sleeves. Loved the horn wrapped around the sleeve number. Christmas 1979, Santa brought me a Rawlings replica Rams helmet and a Sand-Knit, white #30 Lawrence McCutcheon jersey. I wore those out quickly. In baseball, I loved the Astros rainbow jersey (I was 7!), and the Pirates pill-box caps, especially the gold version, because it seems like they didn’t wear that one as much.

    In addition to everything else, the Rams of that era had a bump in popularity from the movie Heaven Can Wait.


    Always had my index finger sticking out of my glove, but one year in slow-pitch softball I included the middle finger as well. We had a really hard throwing shortstop and I wanted a little more protection. One time there was a play at the plate and his throw came in so hard it took the glove right off my hand. Back to just the index finger after that.

    Growing up, favorite uniforms were the early 70s Pirates and Houston Oilers, and the early 80s KC Kings, Rockets, Sonics and Nuggets.

    There is a little-known codicil in the Uni Watch constitution which gives Phil unlimited power to preserve order in time of internet emergency.

    Saw this on Twitter:

    There’s a guy with a Braves jersey, number 49, with no NOB. The question is: did he physically remove the nameplate from a Jair Jurrjens (traded) or John Rocker (uh, yeah) jersey? Or did the Braves’ social networking team digitally remove the nameplate? Or was it a nameplate-less jersey from the get-go as one commenter claims?

    I’m a “2 in the Pink” guy as well, it certainly makes the pocket much deeper *AND* it also allows for a more symmetrical closure of the glove (thumb to pinkie) which is good for OFs

    I’d like to see a similar break down on the shape of players gloves (the way they break them in) flat and floppy like Bret Boone or deep, u-shaped and rigid like Adrian Beltre

    Question of the Week:

    I was a kid from basically 1972-1979 living in New Rochelle, NY and really loved these uniforms, logos and miscellaneous things:

    1. 1970’s ABA basketball
    2. Chicago Bears all white (especially back when they only had non-block numbers)
    3. Oakland A’s yellow, green, and Sunday white uniforms of the early ’70s
    4. 1970’s Denver Nuggets logo with the miner
    5. The six-wheeled ELF F1 car from 1976
    6. (tie) Newcastle United jailhouse striped jersey and Gregg Noll’s jailhouse striped surfing trunks
    7. Apollo 8 mission patch
    8. 1970’s rock band logos (Yes, Led Zep, Rush, KISS, Kansas, etc.)
    9. Lightning Bolt (surfboard/surfwear manufacturer)
    10. Charlie’s Angels silhouette logo from the TV show

    I recently bought a new glove, and it’s an infielders glove, and the pad to wear your index finger out of the glove is over the middle finger slot instead of the index slot. It took some getting used to fielding grounders because it puts it higher on your hand and leaves more wrist exposed

    I recall, in 1969, at age almost-12, my parents taking me on a trip to Montreal to visit “A Man and His World”. A Man and His World was the remnants of the 1967 International and Universal Exposition, better known as “Expo 67”. Somewhere on the grounds stood three or four life size wooden cut outs of, likely, a generic Expo, running, batting, fielding. So overwhelmed, it is my only recollection at all of the fair. My thinking has always been that it was Maury Wills on the cutouts. Seeing how an “out-of-town” city celebrated their team was really cool to me, and I was immediately attracted to their team and in particular their unis. For the record, I hate the term “pin-wheel hats” to describe the caps. And, furthermore dislike the racing stripe accent to the 80s unis, that many readers here seem to love.

    I’ve always had a tougher time adjusting to a new glove than anyone I knew. I was born without my right hand, similar to Jim Abbott, although my arm is a bit shorter, maybe 2″ below the elbow.

    As a kid I pitched & played first base, which meant I had two gloves. I got both around the same age, maybe 10, and they had to be perfect. I always wore a glove that was a bit too big, but that helped me do my quick glove switch without getting stuck in or out of the glove mid play. I always played “finger in”, but spent plenty of time with my glove tucked under my armpit as I threw.

    Somewhere along the line in college, I lost my fielding glove which left me with only my first basemen’s glove. It’s probably 27 or so years old now, but it’s well broken in. I was still using it to patrol left field in church-league softball just a few years ago.

    I recently read Abbott’s autobiography, and he spends a lot of time talking about how he worked closely with glove manufacturers to get what he needed. I didn’t have that luxury, which is probably why at 37 I’m still playing catch with my daughter using the same glove I played first with as a 10 year old little leaguer. Good thing dad bought it with a little extra room for me back in ’87.

    As a kid, my favorite baseball uniform was the Reds gray (road) caps and white w/red pinstripe caps (home) with the red button and red visor and the NOB’s below the number. When they switched to red caps, sleeves and NOB’s above the numbers like everyone else in 1967, they looked just like any other team. I almost cried.

    Also really liked West Germany’s green soccer jerseys. Just a sleek look.

    Another trip down memory lane. I remember having a 1969 photo of Dave Giusti in a Cardinals’ uniform wearing a Rawlings glove with a HolDster dedicated hole for his index finger. Completely blown away by this new style glove, that particular photo remains burned in my memory. Funny how our brains file this stuff.


    I notice that Giusti promently displayed his finger-out-of-the glove thing in his Topps cards, even before the special opening was developed.

    Related: Is the finger hole placement unusual here?


    Question of the week:

    For me it was pretty simple. I loved the WLAF’s Orlando Thunder and New York/New Jersey Knights. Still some the best unis ever created! The Frankfurt Galaxy, Barcelona Dragons and London Monarchs were pretty sharp as well.

    QOTW: Plenty of candidates in 1977-78 but I’ll go with the Padres’ road uniform. That was the year they signed Rollie Fingers, and they snagged an early TV appearance on the NBC Saturday afternoon game. The brown jersey with the yellow (gold) raglan sleeves seemed to reflect the design of the unusual hat. I also like the vertically-arched “San Diego” in Windsor Bold; different and distinctive.

    QOTWL: Growing up in the 80s and being a UCLA fan, I always loved light/powder/baby blue unis. In addition to the UCLA football home unis and basketball away unis, I was always a fan of the Braves and early 80s Cubs away unis (even though the Braves were in the NL West with the Dodgers).



    Love the title to todays column. I’ve been singing that Bee Gees song all day and it’s not even my era! great song.

    First ever favorite: Chicago Cubs – Andre Dawson era

    I’m telling you, I take 80 percent as much pride in the title as I do the entire article I wrote. Haha.

    Even though I was and always will be a Red Wings fan I loved the late 1990’s Sabres black jersey. I bought a replica which happened to be Starter even though they wore CCM on the ice. I bought a NYR Liberty jersey that same year and it was CCM when the ice version was Starter. Still find that strange.

    Great discussion on gloves and how they’re worn. I’ve played a lot of amateur baseball and several years ago I saw that pitchers were using gloves with hoods, I knew immediately that it was to prevent them from tipping pitches. I batted against a few pitchers who did exactly that with their index finger out. And while on that subject, I also recall a glove oddity worn by Roger Clemens late in his career, whereby the back of his glove was enclosed completely. Here’s a pic I found of that:


    I loved, LOVED the Chicago White Sox unis from 1976-81. Not the shorts, but the collared shirts, especially the white shirts and navy pants, were awesome. I also loved the 1970-74 Bobby Orr era Boston Bruins uniforms. I also like the pillbox caps the Cardinals and the Pirates wore. And the blue road uniforms in baseball.

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