As you know, Jeremy Brahm sends me a lot of material. I pass along most of it in the Ticker, but I confess that I don’t always look very closely at every Japanese soccer uniform or volleyball tournament logo he sends my way. Most of you probably don’t either.
Every now and then, though, Jeremy sends something that really jumps out at me. That was the case last weekend, when he sent news of a marketing campaign by the Uni-President 7-11 Lions (that’s a Taiwanese baseball team), who are doing something really clever: Season ticket buyers get to have a jersey with their name and chosen number printed on their seats.
I love this. So much better than the little name tag on the seat or on the railing or whatever! It’s like the season ticket version of a Uni Watch membership card, right? Genius!
I know lots of marketing/promo guys for various major and minor league teams are reading this. Have any of you ever considered anything like what the Lions are doing? If not, what do you think of it? I think it has serious potential.
Football, you bet: In case you missed it yesterday, I’m currently in the process of giving away 10 game-used NFL footballs. Details here.
Uni Watch News Ticker: Uni Watch intern emeritus Vince Grzegorek has written the definitive account of the Browns’ unused “CB” logo. Well done, grasshopper. ”¦ Dig these spectacular socks! Let’s just hope the wardrobe manager stayed true to the poster (nice find by Nile Smith). ”¦ Willie Gabel likes the “simple elegance” of this old Raiders sweatshirt, and it’s hart to disagree. ”¦ Very nice throwbacks for Penn State hockey the other night (with thanks to Jesse Weidaw). ”¦ Speaking of throwbacks, I neglected to mention the ones worn by Colorado State last weekend. The “Aggies” refers to the days when the school was known as Colorado A+M, although I’m fairly certain they didn’t wear NikeWorld collarbone horns in those days. Also, note the umlaut on Arthur Bouëdo’s NOB (with thanks to Ted Phillips). ”¦ Music/hockey crossover note from Dan Bewley, who writes: “Rush drummer Neil Peart recorded a new Hockey Night in Canada theme song and video. His drum set was specially made for the video with NHL logos painted on the drums. The whole process is explained on this page.” ”¦ New logo for some new soccer league I’ve never heard of (as noted by Mike Edgerley, who also notes that the Rays have been embroiled in a controversy over possibly naming their Florida spring training stadium after the community’s biggest corporate polluter). ”¦ Okay, we all know NBA players used to wear Chuck Taylors way back when, and even NFL players wore them back in the ’40s and ’50s. But it looks like a Georgia linebacker was wearing them in the 1977 Sugar Bowl! How could that be?? (Amazing find by Mark Arnold.) ”¦ New uniforms for Oregon State baseball. Those images are screen shots that Steve Crouser took from this video. ”¦ Latest victims of Nike’s plot to slap sublimated designs on everything that doesn’t move: Miami and Kentucky. Still to come: Gonzaga, Michigan State, St. John’s, Syracuse, and Uconn. ”¦ Yesterday’s link to this Willabee + Ward album of Super Bowl patches prompted some interesting commentary from patch maven Brad Bierman: “The W&W album patches are similar to the patch given to VIP/media. The only two jersey patches similar to W&W patches are SB 25, which is identical, and SB 36, with the jersey patch ending up smaller than the W&W version (this was the SB logo that changed following 9/11). Two other notes that I have never substantiated: I remember talk around SB 21 that the Giants/Broncos would wear what is the W&W patch. I also remember word that the teams would wear jersey patches in SB 31, but it didn’t happen until the next year. The would-be jersey patch can be seen within the W&W design from that year. SB 31 was also the game in which the Packers/Patriots wore “Pete” decals on the back of their helmets in memorial to Pete Rozelle, who died about seven weeks before the game. I enjoy contributing about patches.” Indeed. ”¦ The Falcons will keep wearing their throwbacks for the next several seasons (with thanks to Britton Thomas). ”¦ Last week I mentioned that Ray Whitney of the Hurricanes never seems to have the NHL logo on his jerseys. Matt Kuekes was intrigued by this, so he did what I was too lazy to do: He e-mailed the team’s media relations department. Their response: “Ray removes the logo because of the way it hits his neck. It’s a comfort issue. A lot of other teams have more of a dip in the neckline, but ours is straighter across.” ”¦ “Either Louisiana Tech has switched to silver helmets or the graphic artist at KFXK (FOX affiliate in Tyler, TX) is lazy,” says Chris Mycoskie. “I’m going to guess the latter.” ”¦ Here’s a gallery showing all of the hockey uniforms for the Vancouver Olympics (big thanks to Tyler Hull). ”¦ Someone has taken it upon himself to rank all of MLB’s ballpark statues (interesting find by Matthew Algeo). ”¦ You like these? Then join me in making an extra batch of raisin toast in memory of for Clifford Nahser. RIP, buddy.
Re: Chuck Taylors in Sugar Bowl
The game was played on old-school artificial turf, and many many players wore tennis shoes on that kind of turf.
Sparty had the new Nike Unis on last night. They look like replica jerseys and replica shorts for 5th graders at summer camp.
Photo gallery of Sparty’s unis last night.
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“… Here’s a gallery showing all of the hockey uniforms for the Vancouver Olympics (big thanks to Tyler Hull). … ”
Votes are in:
1. Sweden (Yellow)
2. Canada (White)
3. Slovakia (Blue)
4. USA (Blue)
5. Russia (Red)
6. Finland (White)
7. Germany (White)
Disappointment: Norway
Trying Too Hard: China
Extra Credit for non-English National Names: Norge, Suomi, Deutschland, Rossiya, Latvija.
Extra Extra Credit for No Name at All: Switzerland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Sweden.
Miss Congeniality: Ireland.
Kind of future-ironic statement by Paul Brown in the CB logo piece: ” . . .put a decal on a helmet and showed it to Paul [Brown], and he said, ‘We don’t want to get involved in that. We don’t want them to look like automobile racers out there.'” And where did Mr. Brown finish up his NFL career? And what said franchise’s helmet has the look of racing stripes? Hmmm . . .
[quote comment=”377143″]”… Here’s a gallery showing all of the hockey uniforms for the Vancouver Olympics (big thanks to Tyler Hull). … ”
Votes are in:
1. Sweden (Yellow)
2. Canada (White)
3. Slovakia (Blue)
4. USA (Blue)
5. Russia (Red)
6. Finland (White)
7. Germany (White)
Disappointment: Norway
Trying Too Hard: China
Extra Credit for non-English National Names: Norge, Suomi, Deutschland, Rossiya, Latvija.
Extra Extra Credit for No Name at All: Switzerland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Sweden.
Miss Congeniality: Ireland.[/quote]
Regarding USA jerseys, was it just a matter of time before someone pulled out a throwback for the olympics?!?!
Well, now that the Browns have been addressed, someone really needs to go after the Broncos.
[quote comment=”377144″]Kind of future-ironic statement by Paul Brown in the CB logo piece: ” . . .put a decal on a helmet and showed it to Paul [Brown], and he said, ‘We don’t want to get involved in that. We don’t want them to look like automobile racers out there.'” And where did Mr. Brown finish up his NFL career? And what said franchise’s helmet has the look of racing stripes? Hmmm . . .[/quote]
Racing stripes? Odd… I don’t recall any NASCAR drivers with animal patterns on their helmets. But I don’t exactly watch that stuff very often either so maybe I’ve just missed it.
[quote comment=”377145″][quote comment=”377143″]”… Here’s a gallery showing all of the hockey uniforms for the Vancouver Olympics (big thanks to Tyler Hull). … ”
Votes are in:
1. Sweden (Yellow)
2. Canada (White)
3. Slovakia (Blue)
4. USA (Blue)
5. Russia (Red)
6. Finland (White)
7. Germany (White)
Disappointment: Norway
Trying Too Hard: China
Extra Credit for non-English National Names: Norge, Suomi, Deutschland, Rossiya, Latvija.
Extra Extra Credit for No Name at All: Switzerland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Sweden.
Miss Congeniality: Ireland.[/quote]
Regarding USA jerseys, was it just a matter of time before someone pulled out a throwback for the olympics?!?![/quote]
Olympic hockey preview coming up Saturday on this channel. Tune in for lots of “what were they thinking” comments.
[quote comment=”377145″][quote comment=”377143″]”… Here’s a gallery showing all of the hockey uniforms for the Vancouver Olympics (big thanks to Tyler Hull). … ”
Votes are in:
1. Sweden (Yellow)
2. Canada (White)
3. Slovakia (Blue)
4. USA (Blue)
5. Russia (Red)
6. Finland (White)
7. Germany (White)
Disappointment: Norway
Trying Too Hard: China
Extra Credit for non-English National Names: Norge, Suomi, Deutschland, Rossiya, Latvija.
Extra Extra Credit for No Name at All: Switzerland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Sweden.
Miss Congeniality: Ireland.[/quote]
Regarding USA jerseys, was it just a matter of time before someone pulled out a throwback for the olympics?!?![/quote]
It’s the 50th Anniversary Commemoration of the Gold Medal won in Squaw Valley so, I think (read: hope) that it’s more than just a ploy to sell more schwag…
Terence M.K.
P.S. It’s a real sweet sweater too!
Paul and Jeremy, the Tohoku Rakuten Eagles have beaten Taiwan to the punch with those labeled season seats.
Check out link.
Incidentally, the company who bought that seat (Tohoku Kaname) chose #65 because it was the 65th year they’d been in business.
I wonder who was the first to do this. It’s a very clever idea, whoever it was.
No, Louisiana Tech has not changed to a silver helmet, but on top of that, the logo is not even the correct version of the logo! Talk about a lazy graphics department. link
The HNIC Neil Peart version.
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Those Penn State jerseys are almost the exact design as Miami (Ohio)’s home jersey. Pretty sweet.
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[quote comment=\”377150\”]Paul and Jeremy, the Tohoku Rakuten Eagles have beaten Taiwan to the punch with those labeled season seats.
Check out link.[/quote]
[quote comment=\”377151\”]Incidentally, the company who bought that seat (Tohoku Kaname) chose #65 because it was the 65th year they\’d been in business.
I wonder who was the first to do this. It\’s a very clever idea, whoever it was.[/quote]
Actually, the Eagles are still doing it.
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For the business, unless you have your clients come in, it doesn\’t work in my opinion. I just went to a trade show and the concrete industry is having a great deal of difficulty right now.
Of course, the song isn’t on Hockey Night in Canada anymore.
Is it just me, or do the new Kentucky jerseys look like they have a bowtie on the collar?
[quote comment=\”377154\”]Those Penn State jerseys are almost the exact design as Miami (Ohio)\’s home jersey. Pretty sweet.
link
AND the Red Wings throwbacks from the 75th Anniversary season in \’91-\’92:
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Terence M.K.
[quote comment=”377158″][quote comment=\”377154\”]Those Penn State jerseys are almost the exact design as Miami (Ohio)\’s home jersey. Pretty sweet.
link
AND the Red Wings throwbacks from the 75th Anniversary season in \’91-\’92:
link
Terence M.K.[/quote]
Quote FAIL!
Snow day, Manchester United game live on t.v. @ 2pm, and catching up on uniwatch! Life is good!
re: Browns helmet logo article: “Cleveland Browns owner Art Modell decided his team’s helmet – noteworthy because it has no insignia – needed a new look.”
Art Modell never met a good thing he didn’t want to screw up in the name of “improvement.”
It’s probably just the various angles, but those new Oregon State baseball jerseys look like they say “BERVERS” to me.
Does this mean that the US hockey tyeam has an alternate jersey for the Olympics, a tournament in which they might only play four games?
As the snow (part II) continues to pile up rather quickly in Central PA…
Many props to Vince G. for a great and well researched article on the Browns. THANKS!!
Huge help to all of us Uni History Geeks. Next up: solving the 1962 Broncos helmet mystery.
Saw the CSU Wyoming game in person. Honestly hard to say that those were throwbacks. Russell just made them Colorado A&M colored CSU jerseys. Looked more like Florida A&M out there.
I wonder about those Penn State throw backs… are they for PENN STATE or STATE PENN?
U.S. Hockey is selling a fleece, hockey-helmet styled hat called the “rink rat” hat. I got one the other day, and it definitely turns heads!
I love it!
link
That statue of Frank Howard is horrible. If they wanted to honor the expansion Senators with a statue, they should have made it of the four managers they had: Mickey Vernon, Gil Hodges, Jim Lemon and Ted Williams (all shaking their heads ruefully as they watch what is transpiring on the field).
Paul, would you stop reminding people of the ootball-fay affle-ray? I want the best chances possible. I’ve never wanted to win one of your raffles as much as this one! I think the only thing that could beat it would be an authentic NFL referee uni.
So, re: Browns.
Logo never actually made it to a helmet, therefore…
no decal-peeling protest by players.
That’s what I thought. In ’65 I was still sorta manic about following pro football, and it’s hard to believe a story like that wouldn’t have gotten some attention.
—Ricko
—Ricko
Very happy to see an ACHA hockey team getting some pub on here! (Penn State’s hockey team)
[quote comment=”377169″]Paul, would you stop reminding people of the ootball-fay affle-ray? I want the best chances possible. I’ve never wanted to win one of your raffles as much as this one! I think the only thing that could beat it would be an authentic NFL referee uni.[/quote]
You just lost.
Don’t you guys know the rules? If you want to win something, you have to act like you don’t actually care about it.[quote comment=”377161″]re: Browns helmet logo article: “Cleveland Browns owner Art Modell decided his team’s helmet – noteworthy because it has no insignia – needed a new look.”
Art Modell never met a good thing he didn’t want to screw up in the name of “improvement.”[/quote]
Except in this case, it actually would have been an improvement.
To me, the real mystery of ’62 Broncos is what numbskull—probably 30 or more years after the fact–looked at a black and white photo and reasoned that, on the brand-new uni for team that just made a HUGE deal of of changing colors to orange and blue, that the horse would be brown.
Then later rationalized by saying the Broncos were “honoring” the brown.
And that it was to “help fans through the transition”.
Riiiiight. Team had been in existence for two whole seasons. Everyone hated the gold and brown. And the team sucked. Yeah, I’ll bet the change was really tough on the fans.
I have a theory on how this whole mistake came to be.
I would love to meet the guy who first decided the horse was brown, because I’ll bet I know EXACTLY how it happened.
(And why he’s too embarrassed to fess up about it)
—Ricko
[quote comment=”377172″][quote comment=”377169″]Paul, would you stop reminding people of the ootball-fay affle-ray? I want the best chances possible. I’ve never wanted to win one of your raffles as much as this one! I think the only thing that could beat it would be an authentic NFL referee uni.[/quote]
You just lost.
Don’t you guys know the rules? If you want to win something, you have to act like you don’t actually care about it.[quote comment=”377161″]re: Browns helmet logo article: “Cleveland Browns owner Art Modell decided his team’s helmet – noteworthy because it has no insignia – needed a new look.”
Art Modell never met a good thing he didn’t want to screw up in the name of “improvement.”[/quote]
Except in this case, it actually would have been an improvement.[/quote]
You saying the “logolessness” of the Browns’ helmet ISN’T a uniqueness worth holding onto?
Geez, and people say (erroneously) that folks like Phil and I want all teams to look alike.
—Ricko
Jeremy, any decline in Japan’s monster concrete industry is a great thing! (For the uninitiated, the Japanese landscape sometimes seems to be covered in concrete created by useless construction projects.) The only concrete-related company I’d forgive would be one that bought one of these seats. ^_^;
When I first saw these seats, I actually had the paradoxical thought that if the holder is a corporation, it might be more effective to buy the seat and then never use it — no person in the seat to blot out the company name, which can then be seen by every single passer-by!
I think they work better for individuals and families who will get a big kick out of seeing their own surname right there on the seat. In the minors where tickets are cheap, I bet this would be really popular and fun.
Hope I haven’t missed something, but what’s the timeline for the UniTweak contest? Is there one?
Where’s LI Phil?
In the parking lot shoveling out his car trying to get work like a Good Little Solider or something?
—Ricko
[quote comment=”377169″]Paul, would you stop reminding people of the ootball-fay affle-ray? I want the best chances possible. I’ve never wanted to win one of your raffles as much as this one! I think the only thing that could beat it would be an authentic NFL referee uni.[/quote]
I wholeheartedly agree
Excellent writeup on that Browns CB logo Vincent. I’d like to add it to our links page over at the Illustrated NFL site.
[quote comment=”377172″][quote comment=”377169″]Paul, would you stop reminding people of the ootball-fay affle-ray? I want the best chances possible. I’ve never wanted to win one of your raffles as much as this one! I think the only thing that could beat it would be an authentic NFL referee uni.[/quote]
You just lost.[/quote]
Heh. I’ve tried that in the past, to no avail.
Short answer on the soccer league you’ve never heard of: There was one league, then there was going to be two leagues, the powers that be put the kibosh on it, and this is a temporary shack-up situation with a temporary name and temporary logo.
Slightly longer answer: There’s a hierarchy. If it helps you to think of it as MLB/AAA/AA/A, fine, though it’s not the same thing. But there’s MLS (Division I), then Division II and Division III.
For the last 14 years or so, the second division has had various names, but has been administered by an entity now known as USL (United Soccer Leagues). A few owners got honked off, bolted and tried to form their own league (which they have called the NASL in an homage to the old Division II league that existed from 1968-1984).
Only the US Soccer Federation, which has final say on all these things, wouldn’t sanction the NASL to play with their blessing this year for various reasons that make no sense unless you follow soccer. So the USSF, in a Solomon-like decision, has forced the soon-to-divorce parties to live in the same house for a year in hopes there will be either a reconciliation (unlikely) or that one of the two sides will fold and they won’t have to deal with it. The temporary situation league has a generic name, as it’s very likely only a one-and-done situation.
If you REALLY want to know more (and I’m sure you do), you can read more about the drama link and link and then there’s link and the really long and tedious link that brought us to where we are today.
Suffice it to say there’s going to be 16 teams in Major League Soccer this year and 12 in the league right below that one and six in the league right below that one.
In 2011, MLS gets two more teams and all hell breaks loose for the league(s) right below that.
More on this story as it develops.
[quote comment=”377174″]
You saying the “logolessness” of the Browns’ helmet ISN’T a uniqueness worth holding onto?
Geez, and people say (erroneously) that folks like Phil and I want all teams to look alike.
—Ricko[/quote]
I don’t know. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. They’ve been doing it for almost 50 years now, so changing it now isn’t going to happen. Changing it when they’d only been doing it for 3? Yeah, it could have worked. Being the only team without a logo in a league of 32 teams? Sure, that’s unique. Being the only team with no logo in a 12-team league? (Remember, this was before the talk of merger and the leagues were fighting for dominance) That’s just cheap.
Honestly, the fact that they wear orange helmets bothers me more than the lack of a logo. Even as a 5yr old watching football for the first time, it bugged me.
“Dad, why do they call them the Browns when they wear orange?”
“Who cares? Get me another beer.”
[quote comment=”377184″]Short answer on the soccer league you’ve never heard of: There was one league, then there was going to be two leagues, the powers that be put the kibosh on it, and this is a temporary shack-up situation with a temporary name and temporary logo.
Slightly longer answer: There’s a hierarchy. If it helps you to think of it as MLB/AAA/AA/A, fine, though it’s not the same thing. But there’s MLS (Division I), then Division II and Division III.
For the last 14 years or so, the second division has had various names, but has been administered by an entity now known as USL (United Soccer Leagues). A few owners got honked off, bolted and tried to form their own league (which they have called the NASL in an homage to the old Division II league that existed from 1968-1984).
Only the US Soccer Federation, which has final say on all these things, wouldn’t sanction the NASL to play with their blessing this year for various reasons that make no sense unless you follow soccer. So the USSF, in a Solomon-like decision, has forced the soon-to-divorce parties to live in the same house for a year in hopes there will be either a reconciliation (unlikely) or that one of the two sides will fold and they won’t have to deal with it. The temporary situation league has a generic name, as it’s very likely only a one-and-done situation.
If you REALLY want to know more (and I’m sure you do), you can read more about the drama link and link and then there’s link and the really long and tedious link that brought us to where we are today.
Suffice it to say there’s going to be 16 teams in Major League Soccer this year and 12 in the league right below that one and six in the league right below that one.
In 2011, MLS gets two more teams and all hell breaks loose for the league(s) right below that.
More on this story as it develops.[/quote]
Soccer is suppose to make sense? I KID, I KID!
The Falcons in throwbacks is good, though I wish they had gotten the numerals correct on those jerseys. And I hate logos on jerseys. I much prefer stripes. Why not wear the 1969 uniforms?
I also don’t know what to think about the socks. The 1966 socks had a large Northwestern stripe on them (red in the center, trimmed in black and then white). The unique part is, the throwback socks are knit so that only half the stripes appear above the white area. to give the illusion of a sanitary sock pulled up over the bottom half of the stripes. I want to give the designer credit and assume that its because the stripe was so large that the sanitaries most players wore covered up the lower half of the stripes when pulled up to the mid-calf, which is true and photo-verified. The other part of me says, why not just make the socks correct?
“New uniforms for Oregon State baseball. Those images are screen shots that Steve Crouser took from this video.”
noooo!!!!! I don’t see their classic Beavers uniform… damn Nike…
(those who dont know what i’m talking about: link)
[quote comment=”377185″][quote comment=”377174″]
You saying the “logolessness” of the Browns’ helmet ISN’T a uniqueness worth holding onto?
Geez, and people say (erroneously) that folks like Phil and I want all teams to look alike.
—Ricko[/quote]
I don’t know. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. They’ve been doing it for almost 50 years now, so changing it now isn’t going to happen. Changing it when they’d only been doing it for 3? Yeah, it could have worked. Being the only team without a logo in a league of 32 teams? Sure, that’s unique. Being the only team with no logo in a 12-team league? (Remember, this was before the talk of merger and the leagues were fighting for dominance) That’s just cheap.
Honestly, the fact that they wear orange helmets bothers me more than the lack of a logo. Even as a 5yr old watching football for the first time, it bugged me.
“Dad, why do they call them the Browns when they wear orange?”
“Who cares? Get me another beer.”[/quote]
Once again, try to establish if there might not have been a good reason for something coming to be, before discounting it as bad or a dumb decision.
So let’s think about the Browns in early 1950’s terms, and ONLY those terms. Get in THAT moment, and see what factors came into play.
Browns have been wearing white leather helmets.
Plastic helmets arrive on the scene.
Few games on TV and those that are, are in is B&W.
Still play the occasional night game.
Color photography only in monthly magazines and quite literally no color photos in daily newspapers.
So what is the major concern? How you look on the field. How your “show” plays to fans IN THE STANDS.
Now, the Browns certainly could have opted for brown helmets, but they (I believe very rightly) decided to use the brighter of their two colors for the new plastic helmets.
Anytime, but especially on a gray November Sunday in Municipal Stadium (or playing on the road, for that matter), that brightness undoubtedly helped the “live presentation” a great deal.
Just saying, in that limited-technology, live-oriented environment, had I been “packaging” the Browns I’d have made exactly the same choice. Orange helmets, as opposed to brown, brought much, much more “life” to the visuals for those in attendance.
And, of course, the Browns dynasty continued until the uniform became iconic in the NFL…a trademark of sorts. At that point it’s difficult (and actually quite stupid) to change it much.
(You also could ask, “If they’re from GREEN Bay why don’t they wear green helmets?” “Why haven’t the Winnipeg BLUE Bombers always worn blue helmets?” Answer? Because typically in football it’s the dark jersey that will reference any color-aspect of the team name; everything else generally is considered trim or accents.)
—Ricko
[quote comment=”377177″]Where’s LI Phil?
[/quote]
he was up till 2 am studying (for a class that has now been cancelled) and up at 7:00 getting ready for work, which was also cancelled
so he got some much needed sleep…
time to dig out and get coffee before the next wave of snow hits
[quote comment=”377184″]If you REALLY want to know more (and I’m sure you do), you can read more about the drama link and link and then there’s link and the really long and tedious link that brought us to where we are today.
Suffice it to say there’s going to be 16 teams in Major League Soccer this year and 12 in the league right below that one and six in the league right below that one.
In 2011, MLS gets two more teams and all hell breaks loose for the league(s) right below that.
More on this story as it develops.[/quote]
Actually did want to know more, and actually did read most of it.
Unless I missed something, where are the Pittsburgh Riverhounds in all of this? I just found out the Cleveland City Stars were dissolved, but the ‘Hounds still have a 2010 schedule on their web site. Never got to see the City Stars, so if they haven’t “released the ‘Hounds” yet I’d like to see them play sometime.
[quote comment=”377161″]re: Browns helmet logo article: “Cleveland Browns owner Art Modell decided his team’s helmet – noteworthy because it has no insignia – needed a new look.”
Art Modell never met a good thing he didn’t want to screw up in the name of “improvement.”[/quote]
Don’t fret, Slick Art is getting his just desserts about now.
[quote comment=”377185″][quote comment=”377174″]
You saying the “logolessness” of the Browns’ helmet ISN’T a uniqueness worth holding onto?
Geez, and people say (erroneously) that folks like Phil and I want all teams to look alike.
—Ricko[/quote]
I don’t know. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. They’ve been doing it for almost 50 years now, so changing it now isn’t going to happen. [/quote]
Actually, the Browns have been logoless for 65 years, though of course in the early days it didn’t bother anyone because most other teams had no logo either. They began play in 1946 with white helmets, introduced the orange lids in 1950 for half of their games, went back to white in ’51, and then adopted orange for good in ’52. They had the numbers on the helmet only 1957 to ’60.
[quote comment=”377167″]U.S. Hockey is selling a fleece, hockey-helmet styled hat called the “rink rat” hat. I got one the other day, and it definitely turns heads!
I love it!
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Certainly NO offense meant, Johnny as there’s no accounting for taste –or lack thereof. But that lid is awful! Did you get a bowl of soup with that hat???
Oh, but it looks good on you. :)
SPEAKING OF SNOW AND SNOW DAYS…
How many of you are effected by this new wave of stroms?
Friends in NJ (well SE of Philly) got two feet of snow last weekend. Overnight last night they got six more inches of snow, and a second storm, this one called a blizzard, should be hitting them about now (noon EST). They could get another 12 to 16 inches. On top of the 30 inches from last weekend and overnight.
If you are caught in this. Just take advantage of the day(s) off and, please, don’t drive unless absolute necessary (and that’s from someone who has driven in snow all his adult life).
Hopefully Phil intends to walk to get that coffee…or maybe there’s a little lull he can slip into (if the streets have been plowed, that is).
—Ricko
[quote comment=”377194″][quote comment=”377185″][quote comment=”377174″]
You saying the “logolessness” of the Browns’ helmet ISN’T a uniqueness worth holding onto?
Geez, and people say (erroneously) that folks like Phil and I want all teams to look alike.
—Ricko[/quote]
I don’t know. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. They’ve been doing it for almost 50 years now, so changing it now isn’t going to happen. [/quote]
Actually, the Browns have been logoless for 65 years, though of course in the early days it didn’t bother anyone because most other teams had no logo either. They began play in 1946 with white helmets, introduced the orange lids in 1950 for half of their games, went back to white in ’51, and then adopted orange for good in ’52. They had the numbers on the helmet only 1957 to ’60.[/quote]
Right. I was just going from the point of them being the only team without a logo, and using a general estimation. No logo in 1950 doesn’t really mean anything because no one else had one either.
[quote comment=”377196″]SPEAKING OF SNOW AND SNOW DAYS…
How many of you are effected by this new wave of stroms?
Friends in NJ (well SE of Philly) got two feet of snow last weekend. Overnight last night they got six more inches of snow, and a second storm, this one called a blizzard, should be hitting them about now (noon EST). They could get another 12 to 16 inches. On top of the 30 inches from last weekend and overnight.
If you are caught in this. Just take advantage of the day(s) off and, please, don’t drive unless absolute necessary (and that’s from someone who has driven in snow all his adult life).
Hopefully Phil intends to walk to get that coffee…or maybe there’s a little lull he can slip into (if the streets have been plowed, that is).
—Ricko[/quote]
They say we may get scattered rain showers here today. ‘Course it’s supposed to be in the 80’s after that.
[quote comment=”377197″][quote comment=”377194″][quote comment=”377185″][quote comment=”377174″]
You saying the “logolessness” of the Browns’ helmet ISN’T a uniqueness worth holding onto?
Geez, and people say (erroneously) that folks like Phil and I want all teams to look alike.
—Ricko[/quote]
I don’t know. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. They’ve been doing it for almost 50 years now, so changing it now isn’t going to happen. [/quote]
Actually, the Browns have been logoless for 65 years, though of course in the early days it didn’t bother anyone because most other teams had no logo either. They began play in 1946 with white helmets, introduced the orange lids in 1950 for half of their games, went back to white in ’51, and then adopted orange for good in ’52. They had the numbers on the helmet only 1957 to ’60.[/quote]
Right. I was just going from the point of them being the only team without a logo, and using a general estimation. No logo in 1950 doesn’t really mean anything because no one else had one either.[/quote]
I don’t think Giancarlo was correcting you with regard to the number of years. Seemed more he was just adding to the knowledge base here, and pointing out that the Browns are the only current pro team to have never had a graphic/logo on their helmets (other than stripes, of course, and numbers for a few seasons: better throw that in to keep the nitpickers off my back…you know, the “A stripe is a graphic” crowd).
—Ricko
[quote comment=”377198″][quote comment=”377196″]SPEAKING OF SNOW AND SNOW DAYS…
How many of you are effected by this new wave of stroms?
Friends in NJ (well SE of Philly) got two feet of snow last weekend. Overnight last night they got six more inches of snow, and a second storm, this one called a blizzard, should be hitting them about now (noon EST). They could get another 12 to 16 inches. On top of the 30 inches from last weekend and overnight.
If you are caught in this. Just take advantage of the day(s) off and, please, don’t drive unless absolute necessary (and that’s from someone who has driven in snow all his adult life).
Hopefully Phil intends to walk to get that coffee…or maybe there’s a little lull he can slip into (if the streets have been plowed, that is).
—Ricko[/quote]
They say we may get scattered rain showers here today. ‘Course it’s supposed to be in the 80’s after that.[/quote]
So your answer would be, “No.”
[quote comment=”377198″][quote comment=”377196″]
Hopefully Phil intends to walk to get that coffee…or maybe there’s a little lull he can slip into (if the streets have been plowed, that is).
—Ricko[/quote]
They say we may get scattered rain showers here today. ‘Course it’s supposed to be in the 80’s after that.[/quote]
@ rick — drove; not too bad here now, and i went to school in upstate ny, where, like you nordic types, this sort of snow is called a nuisance, not a reason to close a town … course, in my rear drive kia sportage, i was fishtailing half the way down the block (ok, that was on purpose…gotta have some fun)
@ rod — paul can fix that “who wants one of skeebz giant balls” you know…
[quote comment=”377200″][quote comment=”377198″][quote comment=”377196″]SPEAKING OF SNOW AND SNOW DAYS…
How many of you are effected by this new wave of stroms?
Friends in NJ (well SE of Philly) got two feet of snow last weekend. Overnight last night they got six more inches of snow, and a second storm, this one called a blizzard, should be hitting them about now (noon EST). They could get another 12 to 16 inches. On top of the 30 inches from last weekend and overnight.
If you are caught in this. Just take advantage of the day(s) off and, please, don’t drive unless absolute necessary (and that’s from someone who has driven in snow all his adult life).
Hopefully Phil intends to walk to get that coffee…or maybe there’s a little lull he can slip into (if the streets have been plowed, that is).
—Ricko[/quote]
They say we may get scattered rain showers here today. ‘Course it’s supposed to be in the 80’s after that.[/quote]
So your answer would be, “No.”[/quote]
Well, I wasn’t quite sure what a strom was, and the weather watch concept seemed fun. Also 98.73% (absurd statistical precision alert) of Phoenix drivers freak out the second any precipitation touches their windshield, so my drive home may be treacherous.
:-D
It’s interesting to me that the Broncos went logoless in 1967. I don’t know why they did that, it’s such an anomaly.
In terms of pro football helmet logos, am I correct that after the Rams (’48) the next were the Colts (’53) and the Eagles (’55)? Although the Eagles had a sort of silver-painted design on their helmet in the late ’40s.. it just wasn’t a representational thing.
[quote comment=”377201″][quote comment=”377198″][quote comment=”377196″]
Hopefully Phil intends to walk to get that coffee…or maybe there’s a little lull he can slip into (if the streets have been plowed, that is).
—Ricko[/quote]
They say we may get scattered rain showers here today. ‘Course it’s supposed to be in the 80’s after that.[/quote]
@ rod — paul can fix that “who wants one of skeebz giant balls” you know…[/quote]
Skeebz sent 12, only 10 got raffled off, seems the fix was already in. :-)
Just trying to have some fun guys. When it’s 123 here this summer and i have second degree burns on my hands from the steering wheel, you can all poke fun at me.
[quote comment=”377196″]SPEAKING OF SNOW AND SNOW DAYS…
How many of you are effected by this new wave of stroms?
If you are caught in this. Just take advantage of the day(s) off and, please, don’t drive unless absolute necessary (and that’s from someone who has driven in snow all his adult life).
—Ricko[/quote]
Sort of affected, although NE Ohio isn’t getting hammered as much as other places for once.
Word of advice – don’t live on a dead-end street in Akron. The only way we got out of the house last weekend is because I had to shovel part of the street, including down at the intersection where the main road was nearly immaculate. They forget in order to drive on the main road, you gotta GET to the main road.
I agree with Ricko about staying off the roads…with one exception. If you live on a dead-end or side street and you know you’re not going to see a plow for a while, take an old car up and down a few times. Don’t drive in the same grooves – try and flatten as much of the snow as you can. Oh, and of course, don’t do this when traffic’s busy.
After that, throw some bird seed outside, make some cocoa and enjoy the extra time you can spend on Uni Watch.
[quote comment=”377190″][quote comment=”377185″][quote comment=”377174″]
You saying the “logolessness” of the Browns’ helmet ISN’T a uniqueness worth holding onto?
Geez, and people say (erroneously) that folks like Phil and I want all teams to look alike.
—Ricko[/quote]
I don’t know. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. They’ve been doing it for almost 50 years now, so changing it now isn’t going to happen. Changing it when they’d only been doing it for 3? Yeah, it could have worked. Being the only team without a logo in a league of 32 teams? Sure, that’s unique. Being the only team with no logo in a 12-team league? (Remember, this was before the talk of merger and the leagues were fighting for dominance) That’s just cheap.
Honestly, the fact that they wear orange helmets bothers me more than the lack of a logo. Even as a 5yr old watching football for the first time, it bugged me.
“Dad, why do they call them the Browns when they wear orange?”
“Who cares? Get me another beer.”[/quote]
Once again, try to establish if there might not have been a good reason for something coming to be, before discounting it as bad or a dumb decision.
So let’s think about the Browns in early 1950’s terms, and ONLY those terms. Get in THAT moment, and see what factors came into play.
Browns have been wearing white leather helmets.
Plastic helmets arrive on the scene.
Few games on TV and those that are, are in is B&W.
Still play the occasional night game.
Color photography only in monthly magazines and quite literally no color photos in daily newspapers.
So what is the major concern? How you look on the field. How your “show” plays to fans IN THE STANDS.
Now, the Browns certainly could have opted for brown helmets, but they (I believe very rightly) decided to use the brighter of their two colors for the new plastic helmets.
Anytime, but especially on a gray November Sunday in Municipal Stadium (or playing on the road, for that matter), that brightness undoubtedly helped the “live presentation” a great deal.
Just saying, in that limited-technology, live-oriented environment, had I been “packaging” the Browns I’d have made exactly the same choice. Orange helmets, as opposed to brown, brought much, much more “life” to the visuals for those in attendance.
And, of course, the Browns dynasty continued until the uniform became iconic in the NFL…a trademark of sorts. At that point it’s difficult (and actually quite stupid) to change it much.
(You also could ask, “If they’re from GREEN Bay why don’t they wear green helmets?” “Why haven’t the Winnipeg BLUE Bombers always worn blue helmets?” Answer? Because typically in football it’s the dark jersey that will reference any color-aspect of the team name; everything else generally is considered trim or accents.)
—Ricko[/quote]
this got caught in the spam filter … tis a great answer (ricko’s) so im just gonna quote it and let y’all read
fleury’s new mask:
link
Well, this uni makes me proud to be half-Slovak!
link
However, I think it comes in a close second to Sweden: link
[quote comment=”377205″][quote comment=”377196″]SPEAKING OF SNOW AND SNOW DAYS…
How many of you are effected by this new wave of stroms?
If you are caught in this. Just take advantage of the day(s) off and, please, don’t drive unless absolute necessary (and that’s from someone who has driven in snow all his adult life).
—Ricko[/quote]
Sort of affected, although NE Ohio isn’t getting hammered as much as other places for once.
Word of advice – don’t live on a dead-end street in Akron. The only way we got out of the house last weekend is because I had to shovel part of the street, including down at the intersection where the main road was nearly immaculate. They forget in order to drive on the main road, you gotta GET to the main road.
I agree with Ricko about staying off the roads…with one exception. If you live on a dead-end or side street and you know you’re not going to see a plow for a while, take an old car up and down a few times. Don’t drive in the same grooves – try and flatten as much of the snow as you can. Oh, and of course, don’t do this when traffic’s busy.
After that, throw some bird seed outside, make some cocoa and enjoy the extra time you can spend on Uni Watch.[/quote]
We got about 8 inches here in Clarkston, MI.
Jim,
I got a better one for you. I live at the dead end of a road, Just west of us (four doors down) is the High School. The High School is on the corner of a T intersection. The road that I live on is paved to about 400 feet west of my house. The north-south road that dead ends into the road I live on is paved. So the plow the road I live on to the intersection and the other road to the intersection but don’t venture east of the intersection where I live. So not only my end of the road not plowed their is a huge hump at the intersection. Thank goodness my brother has a plow on his truck.
[quote comment=”377208″]Well, this uni makes me proud to be half-Slovak!
link
However, I think it comes in a close second to Sweden: link
Indeed, that jersey makes me proud to be a third generation American who is, somehow, still 100% Swedish.
Of course that also gives me an ethnic responsibility to be
exceedingly dull,
excessively neutral
and drink tons of black coffee.
—Ricko
Today was the first day I really looked at those Super Bowl patches. I saw the first 11 before, but hadn’t seen the ones after that. THOSE are what the players should be wearing and what they should have painted on the field. Great stuff.
[quote comment=”377210″][quote comment=”377208″]Well, this uni makes me proud to be half-Slovak!
link
However, I think it comes in a close second to Sweden: link
Indeed, that jersey makes me proud to be a third generation American who is, somehow, still 100% Swedish.
Of course that also gives me an ethnic responsibility to be
exceedingly dull,
excessively neutral
and drink tons of black coffee.
—Ricko[/quote]
and sing while you’re cooking:
link
[quote comment=”377212″][quote comment=”377210″][quote comment=”377208″]Well, this uni makes me proud to be half-Slovak!
link
However, I think it comes in a close second to Sweden: link
Indeed, that jersey makes me proud to be a third generation American who is, somehow, still 100% Swedish.
Of course that also gives me an ethnic responsibility to be
exceedingly dull,
excessively neutral
and drink tons of black coffee.
—Ricko[/quote]
and sing while you’re cooking:
link
“Hoomder, hinder, hoomner…”
(great lyrics really make a tune work, don’t they; even if you don’t speak the language)
—Ricko
[quote comment=”377192″][quote comment=”377184″]If you REALLY want to know more (and I’m sure you do), you can read more about the drama link and link and then there’s link and the really long and tedious link that brought us to where we are today.
Suffice it to say there’s going to be 16 teams in Major League Soccer this year and 12 in the league right below that one and six in the league right below that one.
In 2011, MLS gets two more teams and all hell breaks loose for the league(s) right below that.
More on this story as it develops.[/quote]
Actually did want to know more, and actually did read most of it.
Unless I missed something, where are the Pittsburgh Riverhounds in all of this? I just found out the Cleveland City Stars were dissolved, but the ‘Hounds still have a 2010 schedule on their web site. Never got to see the City Stars, so if they haven’t “released the ‘Hounds” yet I’d like to see them play sometime.[/quote]
The Hounds are still around, Jim. They are in USL-2.
[quote comment=”377196″]SPEAKING OF SNOW AND SNOW DAYS…
How many of you are effected by this new wave of stroms?
Friends in NJ (well SE of Philly) got two feet of snow last weekend. Overnight last night they got six more inches of snow, and a second storm, this one called a blizzard, should be hitting them about now (noon EST). They could get another 12 to 16 inches. On top of the 30 inches from last weekend and overnight.
If you are caught in this. Just take advantage of the day(s) off and, please, don’t drive unless absolute necessary (and that’s from someone who has driven in snow all his adult life).
Hopefully Phil intends to walk to get that coffee…or maybe there’s a little lull he can slip into (if the streets have been plowed, that is).
—Ricko[/quote]
Ricko,
I live on a band just North of the section of S. Jersey that got hammered this past weekend. WE only got 1.5 inches… if that.
However, today, those doofus’ got it spot on. That is, 6 inches by breakfast, 2 hour respite and been going at ih hot/heavy for past hour.
Best part of day?? my 15 mo. daughter tearing thru the house. priceless snowday!
[quote comment=”377206″]
Once again, try to establish if there might not have been a good reason for something coming to be, before discounting it as bad or a dumb decision.
So let’s think about the Browns in early 1950’s terms, and ONLY those terms. Get in THAT moment, and see what factors came into play.
Browns have been wearing white leather helmets.
Plastic helmets arrive on the scene.
Few games on TV and those that are, are in is B&W.
Still play the occasional night game.
Color photography only in monthly magazines and quite literally no color photos in daily newspapers.
So what is the major concern? How you look on the field. How your “show” plays to fans IN THE STANDS.
Now, the Browns certainly could have opted for brown helmets, but they (I believe very rightly) decided to use the brighter of their two colors for the new plastic helmets.
Anytime, but especially on a gray November Sunday in Municipal Stadium (or playing on the road, for that matter), that brightness undoubtedly helped the “live presentation” a great deal.
Just saying, in that limited-technology, live-oriented environment, had I been “packaging” the Browns I’d have made exactly the same choice. Orange helmets, as opposed to brown, brought much, much more “life” to the visuals for those in attendance.
And, of course, the Browns dynasty continued until the uniform became iconic in the NFL…a trademark of sorts. At that point it’s difficult (and actually quite stupid) to change it much.
(You also could ask, “If they’re from GREEN Bay why don’t they wear green helmets?” “Why haven’t the Winnipeg BLUE Bombers always worn blue helmets?” Answer? Because typically in football it’s the dark jersey that will reference any color-aspect of the team name; everything else generally is considered trim or accents.)
—Ricko[/quote]
this got caught in the spam filter … tis a great answer (ricko’s) so im just gonna quote it and let y’all read[/quote]
I know they switched to orange helmets originally because of the NFL rules with night games and white footballs. They could have easily switched back to white helmets when that experiment ended. The Cardinals wore red for a few seasons for the same reason.
As for 1965, adding a logo that season wouldn’t have hurt the Browns iconic image anymore than adding a logo hurt anyone else in the league. The “Greatest Game Ever Played” featured the Giants with no helmet logo. Adding the NY a few years later didn’t hurt the team’s image.
How are you making fun of Nike for messing up Colorado State’s throwbacks…when they are made by Russell. You can see the Russell R in the photo.
[quote comment=”377217″]How are you making fun of Nike for messing up Colorado State’s throwbacks…when they are made by Russell. You can see the Russell R in the photo.[/quote]
Maybe we’re in the world of Demolition Man and just haven’t realized it yet. You know, all restaurants are Taco Bell, all uniform issues are the fault of Nike…
[quote comment=”377210″][quote comment=”377208″]Well, this uni makes me proud to be half-Slovak!
link
However, I think it comes in a close second to Sweden: link
Indeed, that jersey makes me proud to be a third generation American who is, somehow, still 100% Swedish.
Of course that also gives me an ethnic responsibility to be
exceedingly dull,
excessively neutral
and drink tons of black coffee.
—Ricko[/quote]
you’ve got down to a science… the last two, no idea.
;)
[quote comment=”377198″][quote comment=”377196″]SPEAKING OF SNOW AND SNOW DAYS…
How many of you are effected by this new wave of stroms?
Friends in NJ (well SE of Philly) got two feet of snow last weekend. Overnight last night they got six more inches of snow, and a second storm, this one called a blizzard, should be hitting them about now (noon EST). They could get another 12 to 16 inches. On top of the 30 inches from last weekend and overnight.
If you are caught in this. Just take advantage of the day(s) off and, please, don’t drive unless absolute necessary (and that’s from someone who has driven in snow all his adult life).
Hopefully Phil intends to walk to get that coffee…or maybe there’s a little lull he can slip into (if the streets have been plowed, that is).
—Ricko[/quote]
They say we may get scattered rain showers here today. ‘Course it’s supposed to be in the 80’s after that.[/quote]
Yeah, but isn’t it a “dry” rain out there?
[quote comment=”377221″][quote comment=”377210″][quote comment=”377208″]Well, this uni makes me proud to be half-Slovak!
link
However, I think it comes in a close second to Sweden: link
Indeed, that jersey makes me proud to be a third generation American who is, somehow, still 100% Swedish.
Of course that also gives me an ethnic responsibility to be
exceedingly dull,
excessively neutral
and drink tons of black coffee.
—Ricko[/quote]
you’ve got down to a science… the last two, no idea.
;)[/quote]
Dammit, i blew that one, didn’t I?
[quote comment=”377196″]SPEAKING OF SNOW AND SNOW DAYS…
How many of you are effected by this new wave of stroms?
Friends in NJ (well SE of Philly) got two feet of snow last weekend. Overnight last night they got six more inches of snow, and a second storm, this one called a blizzard, should be hitting them about now (noon EST). They could get another 12 to 16 inches. On top of the 30 inches from last weekend and overnight.
If you are caught in this. Just take advantage of the day(s) off and, please, don’t drive unless absolute necessary (and that’s from someone who has driven in snow all his adult life).
Hopefully Phil intends to walk to get that coffee…or maybe there’s a little lull he can slip into (if the streets have been plowed, that is).
—Ricko[/quote]
We got 20+ inches in Pittsburgh over the weekend. The temperature hasn’t been above freezing since, so the snow hasn’t really gone anywhere, plus we’re getting about another 6-10 inches by evening tonight. Driving downtown this morning was… an adventure.
[quote comment=”377216″]As for 1965, adding a logo that season wouldn’t have hurt the Browns iconic image anymore than adding a logo hurt anyone else in the league. The “Greatest Game Ever Played” featured the Giants with no helmet logo. Adding the NY a few years later didn’t hurt the team’s image.[/quote]
True, but by 1965 every other team had added a helmet logo (most on both sides). The Browns must have realized that the lack of a logo could become their identifying feature.
to heck with the Louisianna Tech helmet, who is the hottie doing the reporting?
[quote comment=”377224″][quote comment=”377196″]SPEAKING OF SNOW AND SNOW DAYS…
How many of you are effected by this new wave of stroms?
Friends in NJ (well SE of Philly) got two feet of snow last weekend. Overnight last night they got six more inches of snow, and a second storm, this one called a blizzard, should be hitting them about now (noon EST). They could get another 12 to 16 inches. On top of the 30 inches from last weekend and overnight.
If you are caught in this. Just take advantage of the day(s) off and, please, don’t drive unless absolute necessary (and that’s from someone who has driven in snow all his adult life).
Hopefully Phil intends to walk to get that coffee…or maybe there’s a little lull he can slip into (if the streets have been plowed, that is).
—Ricko[/quote]
We got 20+ inches in Pittsburgh over the weekend. The temperature hasn’t been above freezing since, so the snow hasn’t really gone anywhere, plus we’re getting about another 6-10 inches by evening tonight. Driving downtown this morning was… an adventure.[/quote]
We got about 8 inches of snow in the past few days here in Southern Wisconsin…but that is the least of our problems. Never thought I would be involved in an earthquake:
link
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On a different note… the sausages are moving West:
link
[quote comment=”377227″][quote comment=”377224″][quote comment=”377196″]SPEAKING OF SNOW AND SNOW DAYS…
How many of you are effected by this new wave of stroms?
Friends in NJ (well SE of Philly) got two feet of snow last weekend. Overnight last night they got six more inches of snow, and a second storm, this one called a blizzard, should be hitting them about now (noon EST). They could get another 12 to 16 inches. On top of the 30 inches from last weekend and overnight.
If you are caught in this. Just take advantage of the day(s) off and, please, don’t drive unless absolute necessary (and that’s from someone who has driven in snow all his adult life).
Hopefully Phil intends to walk to get that coffee…or maybe there’s a little lull he can slip into (if the streets have been plowed, that is).
—Ricko[/quote]
We got 20+ inches in Pittsburgh over the weekend. The temperature hasn’t been above freezing since, so the snow hasn’t really gone anywhere, plus we’re getting about another 6-10 inches by evening tonight. Driving downtown this morning was… an adventure.[/quote]
We got about 8 inches of snow in the past few days here in Southern Wisconsin…but that is the least of our problems. Never thought I would be involved in an earthquake:
link
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On a different note… the sausages are moving West:
link
Side note, the Brewers ST complex was built about 4 miles from my house when I was in H.S.(Maryvale H.S.) and our H.S. graduation was actually at Maryvale Ballpark.
The Jeff said…
“I know they switched to orange helmets originally because of the NFL rules with night games and white footballs. They could have easily switched back to white helmets when that experiment ended.”
But why would they? As I pointed out, even by then they had become a “winning machine” of sorts, both in the AAFC and the NFL, so they kind of had a good thing going…and the orange is, in fact, more colorful than the white. TV and daily newspapers were still black and white, so the issue remained, how does it look from the second deck? (Also, as I’m sure you know, they weren’t named after the color. They were named after the coach. That alone is reason enough not to expect them to wear brown, brown and nothing but the brown)
The Jeff said…
“As for 1965, adding a logo that season wouldn’t have hurt the Browns iconic image anymore than adding a logo hurt anyone else in the league. The “Greatest Game Ever Played” featured the Giants with no helmet logo.”
Okay, again, let’s look at what REALLY was going on. The GGEP was played in 1958. By 1965—seven years later— an entire new LEAGUE was around, as well as two new teams in the NFL, with another due to arrive in ’66…and every single one of the teams playing had by then added logo ID to their helmets. Except the Browns.
1965 wasn’t 1958. By 1965, it suddenly WAS a point-of-difference to have a logo-less helmet, and continuing to keep it that way WAS a valid marketing decision by the Browns. You said it wasn’t iconic, perhaps that’s true. But you can’t say it wasn’t unique, even though it just sort of fell to them. And they chose to incorporate that development.
We simply can’t just run everything through the 2010 Filter to interpret or judge it. It’s a little like saying, “I just don’t understand why Jackie Robinson play for the Dodgers in 1946 instead of waiting until 1947.”
Gee, what are the chances we’d need to evaluate that based on its actual time context? That maybe there are other elements involved in the story?
—Ricko
Here’s video highlights of that color-on-color matchup between the Wheeling Nailers and the Johnstown Chiefs.
link
I think the blue is light enough to have contrast, but I’m not crazy about the Nailers’ white helmets.
nice stuff on the browns and being an ohio guy it still makes me mad that people in the browns orginization still think the brown pants were/are a good idea. the sooner you burn them the better.
also regarding logos name changes. i have a question to put out there and hopefully someone can help. heard awhile ago from a stanford person that when they were changing the name of “indians” to “cardnal” that the student body and mojority of people actually wanted “THUNDER CHICKENS”. If this is true that is awsome and why not its stanford.. any info or uni pics?
Looking outside my window, it’s like there’s someone on the roof dumping BIG buckets of confetti over the side. Really large flakes, heavy volume.
None of which will keep me from attending tonight’s Rangers/Preds game at MSG with my brother.
[quote comment=”377203″]It’s interesting to me that the Broncos went logoless in 1967. I don’t know why they did that, it’s such an anomaly.
In terms of pro football helmet logos, am I correct that after the Rams (’48) the next were the Colts (’53) and the Eagles (’55)? Although the Eagles had a sort of silver-painted design on their helmet in the late ’40s.. it just wasn’t a representational thing.[/quote]
This should be accurate as to when each team that didn’t first started wearing a logo:
Rams: 1948
Eagles: 1954
Colts: 1954 (3rd game in season, I believe)
Redskins: 1958 (11th game in season)
Cowboys: 1960 (always)
Chiefs: 1960 (always, includes Dal Texans)
Patriots: 1960 (always)
Cardinals: 1960 (2nd game in season)
Chargers: 1960 (always)
Titans: 1960 (always, includes Hou Oilers)
Lions: 1961
Packers: 1961
Vikings: 1961 (always)
Giants: 1961
Bills: 1962
Bears: 1962
Broncos: 1962 & 1968 (logoless in 1967)
49ers: 1962
Steelers: 1962 (10th game in season)
Jets: 1963
Raiders: 1963
Falcons: 1966 (always)
Dolphins: 1966 (always)
Saints: 1967 (always)
Bengals: 1968 (always)
Seahawks: 1976 (always. Yes it’s true)
Buccaneers: 1976 (always)
Panthers: 1995 (always)
Jaguars: 1995 (always)
Ravens: 1996 (always)
Texans: 2002 (always)
Browns: Never
So, for a very brief period, 1996-1998, every team in the NFL had a helmet logo.
[quote comment=”377230″]Here’s video highlights of that color-on-color matchup between the Wheeling Nailers and the Johnstown Chiefs.
link
I think the blue is light enough to have contrast, but I’m not crazy about the Nailers’ white helmets.[/quote]
the white socks are interesting too
In keeping with that great footnote about stadium statues, the Brewers are apparently trying to put up a statue of Bud Selig and Paul’s esteemed colleague at Page 2, Jim Caple, knows that’s a terrible idea.
He’s wrong that you have to be wear a uniform or a mic to be worthy of a statue, after all that Connie Mack statue is pretty well deserved, but he’s right about Bud. It will only bring trouble.
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[quote comment=”377192″]Unless I missed something, where are the Pittsburgh Riverhounds in all of this? I just found out the Cleveland City Stars were dissolved, but the ‘Hounds still have a 2010 schedule on their web site. Never got to see the City Stars, so if they haven’t “released the ‘Hounds” yet I’d like to see them play sometime.[/quote]
They’re in the third division.
Reporting from Ground Zero of Snowmageddon/Snowpocalypse/Snoverkill… In my county outside of Baltimore we had 30″ Saturday and are up to about 16″ today. Phase III in effect, no non-Govt vehicles allowed on the roads. Now high blizzard winds up to 50 mph.
I honestly can’t tell my kids this is nothing and that we had much worse storms when I was kid. Large cities below the 49th have not had to deal with this much snow in recent memory, so there is no game plan. That said, the people are being really good about it.
Joe Hillsberg, Hibbsy et al – check in and let us know you are okay.
Back to Uni-watching.
[quote comment=”377231″]nice stuff on the browns and being an ohio guy it still makes me mad that people in the browns orginization still think the brown pants were/are a good idea. the sooner you burn them the better.
also regarding logos name changes. i have a question to put out there and hopefully someone can help. heard awhile ago from a stanford person that when they were changing the name of “indians” to “cardnal” that the student body and mojority of people actually wanted “THUNDER CHICKENS”. If this is true that is awsome and why not its stanford.. any info or uni pics?[/quote]
thunder chickens?
that would have been some bad mojo
[quote comment=”377234″][quote comment=”377230″]Here’s video highlights of that color-on-color matchup between the Wheeling Nailers and the Johnstown Chiefs.
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I think the blue is light enough to have contrast, but I’m not crazy about the Nailers’ white helmets.[/quote]
the white socks are interesting too[/quote]
I can only assume it really isn’t in the budget of an ECHL team to have separate helmets and socks for this combo. I’m guessing that’s the gear they wear with their white sets.
[quote comment=”377229″]
Okay, again, let’s look at what REALLY was going on. The GGEP was played in 1958. By 1965—seven years later— an entire new LEAGUE was around, as well as two new teams in the NFL, with another due to arrive in ’66…and every single one of the teams playing had by then added logo ID to their helmets. Except the Browns.
1965 wasn’t 1958. By 1965, it suddenly WAS a point-of-difference to have a logo-less helmet, and continuing to keep it that way WAS a valid marketing decision by the Browns. You said it wasn’t iconic, perhaps that’s true. But you can’t say it wasn’t unique, even though it just sort of fell to them. And they chose to incorporate that development.
We simply can’t just run everything through the 2010 Filter to interpret or judge it. It’s a little like saying, “I just don’t understand why Jackie Robinson play for the Dodgers in 1946 instead of waiting until 1947.”
Gee, what are the chances we’d need to evaluate that based on its actual time context? That maybe there are other elements involved in the story?
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Yeah, that’s what I was trying to say.
Here’s what pro football looked like when the helmet logo was designed:
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Twenty-two teams, and every single one had adopted a helmet logo. Except for the Browns. Surely that had not escaped the team’s notice.
[quote comment=”377238″][quote comment=”377231″]nice stuff on the browns and being an ohio guy it still makes me mad that people in the browns orginization still think the brown pants were/are a good idea. the sooner you burn them the better.
also regarding logos name changes. i have a question to put out there and hopefully someone can help. heard awhile ago from a stanford person that when they were changing the name of “indians” to “cardnal” that the student body and mojority of people actually wanted “THUNDER CHICKENS”. If this is true that is awsome and why not its stanford.. any info or uni pics?[/quote]
thunder chickens?
that would have been some bad mojo[/quote]
Not surprising. this is a school where every member of the marching band aspires to be the future editor of National Lampoon magazine. Thunder Chickens, yeah.
[quote comment=”377235″]In keeping with that great footnote about stadium statues, the Brewers are apparently trying to put up a statue of Bud Selig and Paul’s esteemed colleague at Page 2, Jim Caple, knows that’s a terrible idea.
He’s wrong that you have to be wear a uniform or a mic to be worthy of a statue, after all that Connie Mack statue is pretty well deserved, but he’s right about Bud. It will only bring trouble.
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Sorry, but he’s flat-out wrong about more than just that.
Nothing wrong with honoring a former owner, especially one who fought tirelessly to bring baseball back to your city.
And he’s also factually wrong on some details – Selig had already given up control of the Brewers when Sal “Bonehead” Bando pushed Paul Molitor out the door. Selig would have undoubtedly kept him in Milwaukee, as he persuaded Robin Yount to stay on several occasions.
This is one of those times, Caple, when your column name is well-chosen.
[quote comment=”377235″]In keeping with that great footnote about stadium statues, the Brewers are apparently trying to put up a statue of Bud Selig and Paul’s esteemed colleague at Page 2, Jim Caple, knows that’s a terrible idea.
He’s wrong that you have to be wear a uniform or a mic to be worthy of a statue, after all that Connie Mack statue is pretty well deserved, but he’s right about Bud. It will only bring trouble.
link
In a bit of a loophole, had Connie Mack been manager nowadays, he’d be forded to wear a uniform, so in that case, I can let it slide.
With that said, I wish we could have it where all coaches and managers in all sports dressed up nice for games. Hockey and basketball have it right.
[quote comment=”377243″][quote comment=”377235″]In keeping with that great footnote about stadium statues, the Brewers are apparently trying to put up a statue of Bud Selig and Paul’s esteemed colleague at Page 2, Jim Caple, knows that’s a terrible idea.
He’s wrong that you have to be wear a uniform or a mic to be worthy of a statue, after all that Connie Mack statue is pretty well deserved, but he’s right about Bud. It will only bring trouble.
link
In a bit of a loophole, had Connie Mack been manager nowadays, he’d be forded to wear a uniform, so in that case, I can let it slide.
With that said, I wish we could have it where all coaches and managers in all sports dressed up nice for games. Hockey and basketball have it right.[/quote]
Hasn’t always been that way…
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The Nike sublimation team is also at it with the Olympic hockey jerseys/sweaters. Both Germany and Russia have their respective national eagles on the lower part of their sleeves. See link (I can’t figure out the HTML).
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Hasn’t always been that way…
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here jerry, let me fix that larry brown pic for ya
too good not to be seen
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Hasn’t always been that way…
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here jerry, link larry brown pic for ya
too good not to be seen[/quote]
Link was as messed up as the outfit. thanks
The Shipment of Fail website gives us our first look at Kentucky players in their new Nike uniforms…
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[quote comment=”377246″][quote comment=”377244″]
Hasn’t always been that way…
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here jerry, link larry brown pic for ya
too good not to be seen[/quote]
I see your Larry and raise you a errrrrr…..
Doug Moe (whose jacket is being modeled by Herb Tarlek. link
[quote comment=”377208″]Well, this uni makes me proud to be half-Slovak!
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However, I think it comes in a close second to Sweden: link
Here here,From another half-Slovak
Slovakia jersey is sweet
[quote comment=”377248″]The Shipment of Fail website gives us our first look at Kentucky players in their new Nike uniforms…
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Well actually Coach Calipari’s Twitter feed gave us the first look, but it’s always nice to see websites stamp pictures as their own.
Fascinating article about the Browns alleged CB.
So those were throwback PSU hockey unis. When did they were them? And pretty wild and with names on back too.
[quote comment=”377233″][quote comment=”377203″]It’s interesting to me that the Broncos went logoless in 1967. I don’t know why they did that, it’s such an anomaly.
In terms of pro football helmet logos, am I correct that after the Rams (’48) the next were the Colts (’53) and the Eagles (’55)? Although the Eagles had a sort of silver-painted design on their helmet in the late ’40s.. it just wasn’t a representational thing.[/quote]
This should be accurate as to when each team that didn’t first started wearing a logo:
Rams: 1948
Eagles: 1954
Colts: 1954 (3rd game in season, I believe)
Redskins: 1958 (11th game in season)
Cowboys: 1960 (always)
Chiefs: 1960 (always, includes Dal Texans)
Patriots: 1960 (always)
Cardinals: 1960 (2nd game in season)
Chargers: 1960 (always)
Titans: 1960 (always, includes Hou Oilers)
Lions: 1961
Packers: 1961
Vikings: 1961 (always)
Giants: 1961
Bills: 1962
Bears: 1962
Broncos: 1962 & 1968 (logoless in 1967)
49ers: 1962
Steelers: 1962 (10th game in season)
Jets: 1963
Raiders: 1963
Falcons: 1966 (always)
Dolphins: 1966 (always)
Saints: 1967 (always)
Bengals: 1968 (always)
Seahawks: 1976 (always. Yes it’s true)
Buccaneers: 1976 (always)
Panthers: 1995 (always)
Jaguars: 1995 (always)
Ravens: 1996 (always)
Texans: 2002 (always)
Browns: Never
So, for a very brief period, 1996-1998, every team in the NFL had a helmet logo.[/quote]
We’re not worthy! (Thanks for that).
[quote comment=”377173″]To me, the real mystery of ’62 Broncos is what numbskull—probably 30 or more years after the fact–looked at a black and white photo and reasoned that, on the brand-new uni for team that just made a HUGE deal of of changing colors to orange and blue, that the horse would be brown.
Then later rationalized by saying the Broncos were “honoring” the brown.
And that it was to “help fans through the transition”.
Riiiiight. Team had been in existence for two whole seasons. Everyone hated the gold and brown. And the team sucked. Yeah, I’ll bet the change was really tough on the fans.
I have a theory on how this whole mistake came to be.
I would love to meet the guy who first decided the horse was brown, because I’ll bet I know EXACTLY how it happened.
(And why he’s too embarrassed to fess up about it)
—Ricko[/quote]
Ricko, hopefully without opening a whole can of worms, can you give me a synopsis of what this brown horse controversy is? I seem to have missed the origin of the debate.
[quote comment=”377236″][quote comment=”377192″]Unless I missed something, where are the Pittsburgh Riverhounds in all of this? I just found out the Cleveland City Stars were dissolved, but the ‘Hounds still have a 2010 schedule on their web site. Never got to see the City Stars, so if they haven’t “released the ‘Hounds” yet I’d like to see them play sometime.[/quote]
They’re in the third division.[/quote]
Yeah, I was confused earlier thinking USL-2 was the second division, not the third.
Reminds me of England, where the first division is the Premier League, second is the Championship (they’re sponsored of course, but I’m not including the names), third is League One and fourth is League Two. Why can’t they just go back to First Division, Second Division, etc.?
[quote comment=”377252″]Fascinating article about the Browns alleged CB.[/quote]
Brandon McDonald?
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Oh, you meant the alleged logo, not the alleged cornerback…
Yeah, Vince did a great job on that piece. Can bet you’ll never see that on a helmet, since it was a Modell idea.
I was poking around trying to find a photo of the helmet the Los Angeles Dons of the AAFC wore in the ’40s ’cause it had an interesting painted design – stripes extending from a central point on the top of the crown – when I came across this amazing flickr display… someone made up gumball helmet logos for all the AAFC teams AS IF they had had helmet logos back then. Was this never linked to on Uni Watch?
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In Super Bowl 21 the Giants wore a patch in honor of the late defensive back Spider Lockhart. It was circular and read “Spider 43” (his number) with the image of a spider.
— Nick C.
[quote comment=”377251″]
Well actually Coach Calipari’s Twitter feed gave us the first look, but it’s always nice to see websites stamp pictures as their own.[/quote]
why, who would ever do such a thing? (inserts whistling icon here)
but, defense of the shipment site, they did stamp that nice “fail” button on there, right?
[quote comment=”377237″]Reporting from Ground Zero of Snowmageddon/Snowpocalypse/Snoverkill… In my county outside of Baltimore we had 30″ Saturday and are up to about 16″ today. Phase III in effect, no non-Govt vehicles allowed on the roads. Now high blizzard winds up to 50 mph.
I honestly can’t tell my kids this is nothing and that we had much worse storms when I was kid. Large cities below the 49th have not had to deal with this much snow in recent memory, so there is no game plan. That said, the people are being really good about it.[/quote]
Snoverkill…I like that one.
This is almost as bad as ’78, but that’s hard to top.
Hang in there, Taxman.
like i said thunder chickens tried looking it up myself mostly getting armed forces stuff and one “pro” team. just think stanford university thunder chickens would be kinda cool….
[quote comment=”377258″]I was poking around trying to find a photo of the helmet the Los Angeles Dons of the AAFC wore in the ’40s ’cause it had an interesting painted design – stripes extending from a central point on the top of the crown – when I came across this amazing flickr display… someone made up gumball helmet logos for all the AAFC teams AS IF they had had helmet logos back then. Was this never linked to on Uni Watch?
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As a long time gumball collector I do not know if I had seen those. Pretty cool.
alos found out it was a nickname for the d line in the late 60’s 70’s
[quote comment=”377260″][quote comment=”377251″]
Well actually Coach Calipari’s Twitter feed gave us the first look, but it’s always nice to see websites stamp pictures as their own.[/quote]
why, who would ever do such a thing? (inserts whistling icon here)
but, defense of the shipment site, they did stamp that nice “fail” button on there, right?[/quote]
nope, just westolethispicandclaimeditasourown.com
[quote comment=”377146″]Well, now that the Browns have been addressed, someone really needs to go after the Broncos.[/quote]
A while back we had some folks here who said they were going to get more inside info on the Broncos. I never saw anymore from them though.
Nike HyperElite uniforms unveiled today
Syracuse: link
UConn: link
[quote comment=”377233″][quote comment=”377203″]It’s interesting to me that the Broncos went logoless in 1967. I don’t know why they did that, it’s such an anomaly.
In terms of pro football helmet logos, am I correct that after the Rams (’48) the next were the Colts (’53) and the Eagles (’55)? Although the Eagles had a sort of silver-painted design on their helmet in the late ’40s.. it just wasn’t a representational thing.[/quote]
This should be accurate as to when each team that didn’t first started wearing a logo:
Rams: 1948
Eagles: 1954
Colts: 1954 (3rd game in season, I believe)
Redskins: 1958 (11th game in season)
Cowboys: 1960 (always)
Chiefs: 1960 (always, includes Dal Texans)
Patriots: 1960 (always)
Cardinals: 1960 (2nd game in season)
Chargers: 1960 (always)
Titans: 1960 (always, includes Hou Oilers)
Lions: 1961
Packers: 1961
Vikings: 1961 (always)
Giants: 1961
Bills: 1962
Bears: 1962
Broncos: 1962 & 1968 (logoless in 1967)
49ers: 1962
Steelers: 1962 (10th game in season)
Jets: 1963
Raiders: 1963
Falcons: 1966 (always)
Dolphins: 1966 (always)
Saints: 1967 (always)
Bengals: 1968 (always)
Seahawks: 1976 (always. Yes it’s true)
Buccaneers: 1976 (always)
Panthers: 1995 (always)
Jaguars: 1995 (always)
Ravens: 1996 (always)
Texans: 2002 (always)
Browns: Never
So, for a very brief period, 1996-1998, every team in the NFL had a helmet logo.[/quote]
Somehow this should be linked to TimmyB’s NFL uniform history page.
And interesting how some teams added a logo during the season. Some early and some late such as Steelers.
I happened to be looking at the photos from Squaw Valley so here are some links to the US hockey team in 1960.
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link about Der Swoosh’s unis on Boston.com
[quote comment=”377216″][quote comment=”377206″]
Once again, try to establish if there might not have been a good reason for something coming to be, before discounting it as bad or a dumb decision.
So let’s think about the Browns in early 1950’s terms, and ONLY those terms. Get in THAT moment, and see what factors came into play.
Browns have been wearing white leather helmets.
Plastic helmets arrive on the scene.
Few games on TV and those that are, are in is B&W.
Still play the occasional night game.
Color photography only in monthly magazines and quite literally no color photos in daily newspapers.
So what is the major concern? How you look on the field. How your “show” plays to fans IN THE STANDS.
Now, the Browns certainly could have opted for brown helmets, but they (I believe very rightly) decided to use the brighter of their two colors for the new plastic helmets.
Anytime, but especially on a gray November Sunday in Municipal Stadium (or playing on the road, for that matter), that brightness undoubtedly helped the “live presentation” a great deal.
Just saying, in that limited-technology, live-oriented environment, had I been “packaging” the Browns I’d have made exactly the same choice. Orange helmets, as opposed to brown, brought much, much more “life” to the visuals for those in attendance.
And, of course, the Browns dynasty continued until the uniform became iconic in the NFL…a trademark of sorts. At that point it’s difficult (and actually quite stupid) to change it much.
(You also could ask, “If they’re from GREEN Bay why don’t they wear green helmets?” “Why haven’t the Winnipeg BLUE Bombers always worn blue helmets?” Answer? Because typically in football it’s the dark jersey that will reference any color-aspect of the team name; everything else generally is considered trim or accents.)
—Ricko[/quote]
this got caught in the spam filter … tis a great answer (ricko’s) so im just gonna quote it and let y’all read[/quote]
I know they switched to orange helmets originally because of the NFL rules with night games and white footballs. They could have easily switched back to white helmets when that experiment ended. The Cardinals wore red for a few seasons for the same reason.
As for 1965, adding a logo that season wouldn’t have hurt the Browns iconic image anymore than adding a logo hurt anyone else in the league. The “Greatest Game Ever Played” featured the Giants with no helmet logo. Adding the NY a few years later didn’t hurt the team’s image.[/quote]
I’ve always felt the Browns helmet was merely a shade of brown; i.e. mahogany, or, rust colored. Yea, could say it is orange, yet, the team wasn’t named after Paul Orange.
I’ve always felt the Browns helmet was merely a shade of brown; i.e. mahogany, or, rust colored. Yea, could say it is orange, yet, the team wasn’t named after Paul Orange.
Apparently UConn is going to wear their new uni set tonight against ‘Cuse. Check out a picture at link
Michigan State special uniforms for NCAA tourney?
Was Mich State wearing \”lighter\” unis in the Purdue game last night? They looked like they had something on the backs, much like Texas and Duke wear now.
sorry, the link to the special unis: link
[quote comment=”377256″]Reminds me of England, where the first division is the Premier League, second is the Championship (they’re sponsored of course, but I’m not including the names), third is League One and fourth is League Two. Why can’t they just go back to First Division, Second Division, etc.?[/quote]
Because the Premier League technically broke away from the Football League to form its own deal. The name “Premier League” is not going to go away, given its cachet and relative uniqueness (most leagues worldwide are some mixture of 1st or A or 2nd or B or so on). It’s NEVER going to be “First Division” again, even though it’s England’s top flight. That ain’t happening.
The Football League’s decision to rename its top flight in 2004 (thanks in part to the soda company sponsorship, which is ending after this season) was, seemingly, an attempt to give England’s second level (which is still one of the richer leagues in the world, surely the richest non-top-flight) more oomph. It is the highest level in the Football League proper (its top two clubs and a third, playoff-winning team get promoted to the Premier League annually).
It is curious to have your third level called “Division One,” but they don’t seem to have been able to come up with cool names for it and the league below it. Hell, what was the Conference (the semi-pro outfit below the fourth level) is now the Blue Square Premier, so it can be confusing.
They’re not going to go back to simple, logical names for those divisions, they’re just not, unless they’re unable to find a sponsor to replace Coke and they have little choice. And the Premier League isn’t going to be the First Division anyway. So there’s probably no point.
“Also, note the umlaut on Arthur Bouëdo’s NOB”
That’s not an umlaut.
The umlaut is a diacritic in the german language only.
In the romance languages (such as Spanish), the mark is called a diaeresis, and it indicates the start of a new syllable in a string of vowels.
[quote comment=”377267″]Nike HyperElite uniforms unveiled today
Syracuse: link
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If you squint you can see the face of Homer Simpson on the back. Strange- I thought he went to Springfield.
Here’s a video link to the new ‘Cuse uniforms. I’m a fan of their late ’80’s threads myself, but c’est la vie.
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[quote comment=”377277″]”Also, note the umlaut on Arthur Bouëdo’s NOB”
That’s not an umlaut.
The umlaut is a diacritic in the german language only.
In the romance languages (such as Spanish), the mark is called a diaeresis, and it indicates the start of a new syllable in a string of vowels.[/quote]
Interesting. Since it indicates a start of a new syllable in a string of vowels, then shouldn’t it be spelled diäeresis? (die-air-eh-sis)
[quote comment=”377280″][quote comment=”377277″]”Also, note the umlaut on Arthur Bouëdo’s NOB”
That’s not an umlaut.
The umlaut is a diacritic in the german language only.
In the romance languages (such as Spanish), the mark is called a diaeresis, and it indicates the start of a new syllable in a string of vowels.[/quote]
Interesting. Since it indicates a start of a new syllable in a string of vowels, then shouldn’t it be spelled diäeresis? (die-air-eh-sis)[/quote]
I also just realized this is the extreme variant of the online grammar correction. Instead of “It’s ‘you’re’ not ‘your'”, now we have “It’s a diaeresis, not an umlaut. Dummy.”
I like it.
[quote comment=”377280″][quote comment=”377277″]”Also, note the umlaut on Arthur Bouëdo’s NOB”
That’s not an umlaut.
The umlaut is a diacritic in the german language only.
In the romance languages (such as Spanish), the mark is called a diaeresis, and it indicates the start of a new syllable in a string of vowels.[/quote]
Interesting. Since it indicates a start of a new syllable in a string of vowels, then shouldn’t it be spelled diäeresis? (die-air-eh-sis)[/quote]
While not trying to argue with your logic, I think that the symbol helps correctly number the syllables in a word. Each spelling of diaeresis above yields a 4 syllable sound. Contrast this with the 2 common spellings of “Noel”. The English version, without the two dots, is a single syllable (rhymes with Joel); while the French pronunciation is Noël, or No-el which is 2 syllables. (BTW, this rule is frequently broken, but that is it’s genesis).
[quote comment=”377280″]
Interesting. Since it indicates a start of a new syllable in a string of vowels, then shouldn’t it be spelled diäeresis? (die-air-eh-sis)[/quote]
In Spanish it’s called a diéresis, with the accent serving the same purpose… just as the name MarÃa has the accent to prevent people from saying Mar-ya.
Paul: as someone who works in marketing for a baseball team, I’m a big fan of the jersey on seatback idea.
My initial reaction is that it may not work for a sport like baseball. Most season tickets are purchased by companies (who will invariably want to use this as an opportunity to slap their logo on their seats, too). The others often split the same seat among several groups since the season is so long, so we couldn’t just put one name on there.
That being said, you can bet I’ll toss around this idea next time we have a brainstorming meeting. I’m not sure we’ll ever do it, but this would be a perfect fit for football or college basketball, IMO. I think it would serve as a nice way to help our best fans feel even more connected to the team – the seats truly become “their” seats.
Just a great article on the CB logo. I remember, and I can’t believe this- the very first time I saw it, and where.
A 5 and dime place in the nearby shopping center I used to frequent when I lived in Dallas, in 6th grade. They had a display of the little plastic helmets like the one shown- this was 1971. I remember the ones I saw, too.It was a pegboard display, and I do believe these versions had pencil sharpeners in them!
The Redskins spear helmet..Eagles helmet green with silver..the Broncos helmet with a leaping horse logo on the side from way earlier..and the CB logo. And way back then, I thought, ‘they don’t use that!!!’
[quote comment=”377284″]Paul: as someone who works in marketing for a baseball team, I’m a big fan of the jersey on seatback idea.
My initial reaction is that it may not work for a sport like baseball. Most season tickets are purchased by companies (who will invariably want to use this as an opportunity to slap their logo on their seats, too). The others often split the same seat among several groups since the season is so long, so we couldn’t just put one name on there.
That being said, you can bet I’ll toss around this idea next time we have a brainstorming meeting. I’m not sure we’ll ever do it, but this would be a perfect fit for football or college basketball, IMO. I think it would serve as a nice way to help our best fans feel even more connected to the team – the seats truly become “their” seats.[/quote]
wouldn’t this idea be effective if the logos were on the back of the seats? that way, they wouldn’t be obscured by fans and could be viewed by those behind them: NOBs!
[quote comment=”377284″]Paul: as someone who works in marketing for a baseball team, I’m a big fan of the jersey on seatback idea.
My initial reaction is that it may not work for a sport like baseball. Most season tickets are purchased by companies (who will invariably want to use this as an opportunity to slap their logo on their seats, too). The others often split the same seat among several groups since the season is so long, so we couldn’t just put one name on there.
That being said, you can bet I’ll toss around this idea next time we have a brainstorming meeting. I’m not sure we’ll ever do it, but this would be a perfect fit for football or college basketball, IMO. I think it would serve as a nice way to help our best fans feel even more connected to the team – the seats truly become “their” seats.[/quote]
If you have plastic seats, you can put a big sticker on the seat, but if you have higher end seats with cushions, the sticker will look tacky.
Plus you need to make sure during the season that they do not get damaged and may need to be replaced from time to time.
[quote comment=”377285″]Just a great article on the CB logo. I remember, and I can’t believe this- the very first time I saw it, and where.
A 5 and dime place in the nearby shopping center I used to frequent when I lived in Dallas, in 6th grade. They had a display of the little plastic helmets like the one shown- this was 1971. I remember the ones I saw, too.It was a pegboard display, and I do believe these versions had pencil sharpeners in them!
The Redskins spear helmet..Eagles helmet green with silver..the Broncos helmet with a leaping horse logo on the side from way earlier..and the CB logo. And way back then, I thought, ‘they don’t use that!!!'[/quote]
sounds like that display had a lot of different years represented: the skins last wore the spear helmet in 1969.
I bought my wife a black turtleneck for Xmas. It was too small, so I finally took it back yesterday. The only color in her size was purple. I bought it, and she loves it. I could never pull it off myself, but it sure does look pretty. Not that anyone cares. I’m just a guy in a good mood running his mouth.
[quote comment=”377289″]I bought my wife a black turtleneck for Xmas. It was too small, so I finally took it back yesterday. The only color in her size was purple. I bought it, and she loves it. I could never pull it off myself, but it sure does look pretty. Not that anyone cares. I’m just a guy in a good mood running his mouth.[/quote]
so you need help removing it?
[quote comment=”377289″]I bought my wife a black turtleneck for Xmas… yadayadayada… I could never pull it off myself[/quote]
well, if you need any help…
DAMMIT LEON!
[quote comment=”377291″][quote comment=”377289″]I bought my wife a black turtleneck for Xmas… yadayadayada… I could never pull it off myself[/quote]
well, if you need any help…[/quote]
Hardy mothafuckin har har. You literal shits. You love purple.
[quote comment=”377293″][quote comment=”377291″][quote comment=”377289″]I bought my wife a black turtleneck for Xmas… yadayadayada… I could never pull it off myself[/quote]
well, if you need any help…[/quote]
Hardy mothafuckin har har. You literal shits. You love purple.[/quote]
great minds work alike. and that’s dr. literal
:)
Re: jerseys on seatbacks
It probably makes the most sense in buildings that sell seat licenses, but between maintenance and turnover in ticketholders, it may not be worth the cost.
Did anyone ever win that Calvin Johnson jersey? I am still very interested in that!
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[quote comment=”377288″][quote comment=”377285″]Just a great article on the CB logo. I remember, and I can’t believe this- the very first time I saw it, and where.
A 5 and dime place in the nearby shopping center I used to frequent when I lived in Dallas, in 6th grade. They had a display of the little plastic helmets like the one shown- this was 1971. I remember the ones I saw, too.It was a pegboard display, and I do believe these versions had pencil sharpeners in them!
The Redskins spear helmet..Eagles helmet green with silver..the Broncos helmet with a leaping horse logo on the side from way earlier..and the CB logo. And way back then, I thought, ‘they don’t use that!!!'[/quote]
sounds like that display had a lot of different years represented: the skins last wore the spear helmet in 1969.[/quote]
That’s what I thought, even back then. They weren’t even close- but I hadn’t seen some of those designs before, like the CB and the galloping horse. Even back then, I was uni-hooked.
I’m late to getting to Uniwatch tonight and yes, I’ve seen the IIHF page with the Olympic jerseys. I have emailed Phil and Paul about this but I find it interesting that the Red Team Canada jersey has a red collar – I’ve seen Jarome Iginla wearing it in that awful Nike “Fate” commercial as well.
Anyway, every jersey out there at this point actually has a white collar, similar to the style they’ve been wearing the past couple of world championships.
Even the Vancouver Olympic Committee is auctioning off red jerseys with the white collar – what gives?
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They have a soccer/football kit quiz at the Guardian: link.
No pictures, though.
say hey kid on daily show in the giants old bp hat… what a shame
Here it is. My opinion. Take it or leave it.
The CB logo. I’ve never liked logos that take the first letter of the city (or region) and combine with the first letter of the team name. This very much includes the Colorado Rockies. I think the Texas Rangers did that once. Indiana Pacers. Who else? Anyway, it is yucky.
[quote comment=”377301″]Here it is. My opinion. Take it or leave it.
The CB logo. I’ve never liked logos that take the first letter of the city (or region) and combine with the first letter of the team name. This very much includes the Colorado Rockies. I think the Texas Rangers did that once. Indiana Pacers. Who else? Anyway, it is yucky.[/quote]
so…not a fan, then?
[quote comment=”377302″][quote comment=”377301″]Here it is. My opinion. Take it or leave it.
The CB logo. I’ve never liked logos that take the first letter of the city (or region) and combine with the first letter of the team name. This very much includes the Colorado Rockies. I think the Texas Rangers did that once. Indiana Pacers. Who else? Anyway, it is yucky.[/quote]
so…link, then?[/quote]
ummmm……..no. List also includes the California Angels and definately the ND logo of the Brewers. It’s sandpaper to my corneas. Why you ask (or not)? Hell, beats me.
[quote comment=”377301″]Here it is. My opinion. Take it or leave it.
The CB logo. I’ve never liked logos that take the first letter of the city (or region) and combine with the first letter of the team name. This very much includes the Colorado Rockies. I think the Texas Rangers did that once. Indiana Pacers. Who else? Anyway, it is yucky.[/quote]
Never liked it either.
I don’t remember the Pacers doing it. I know that the Nuggets did so a few years back.
[quote comment=”377304″][quote comment=”377301″]Here it is. My opinion. Take it or leave it.
The CB logo. I’ve never liked logos that take the first letter of the city (or region) and combine with the first letter of the team name. This very much includes the Colorado Rockies. I think the Texas Rangers did that once. Indiana Pacers. Who else? Anyway, it is yucky.[/quote]
Never liked it either.
I don’t remember the Pacers doing it. I know that the Nuggets did so a few years back.[/quote]
Brewers (Notre Dame era)
[quote comment=”377146″]Well, now that the Browns have been addressed, someone really needs to go after the Broncos.[/quote]
Isn’t Art Modell still alive? Why not ask him the full story on the “CB” logo?
[quote comment=”377298″]I’m late to getting to Uniwatch tonight and yes, I’ve seen the IIHF page with the Olympic jerseys. I have emailed Phil and Paul about this but I find it interesting that the Red Team Canada jersey has a red collar – I’ve seen Jarome Iginla wearing it in that awful Nike “Fate” commercial as well.
Anyway, every jersey out there at this point actually has a white collar, similar to the style they’ve been wearing the past couple of world championships.
Even the Vancouver Olympic Committee is auctioning off red jerseys with the white collar – what gives?
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I’ve never seen the red jersey with anything but a red-white striped collar.
The white jersey has red shoulders and a solid red collar – maybe that’s what you saw?
While I’m in a bitchy complaining mood…here’s one more. I don’t like little baseballs showing up in every MLB team logo. I always thought it turned them into some sort of little kid emblem. They need to be more solid, classy, professional. I say this while adoring things like Mr. Met and Sir Saint. Hypocritical I know, can’t answer that one. But the baseballs just look juvenile, cheesy, too easy from a graphic standpoint.
In a far bigger way, the first time I saw the new Tiger Stadium (whatever it is called) I liked the big huge precast tigers prowling everywhere. Then I looked up and saw a whole row of tiger heads mounted on the side of the building – each with a baseball in it’s mouth. I remember being utterly disappointed about how they just ruined this cool mean tiger by putting a stupid baseball in it’s mouth like a housecat. Boo.
[quote comment=”377304″][quote comment=”377301″]Here it is. My opinion. Take it or leave it.
The CB logo. I’ve never liked logos that take the first letter of the city (or region) and combine with the first letter of the team name. This very much includes the Colorado Rockies. I think the Texas Rangers did that once. Indiana Pacers. Who else? Anyway, it is yucky.[/quote]
Never liked it either.
I don’t remember the Pacers doing it. I know that the Nuggets did so a few years back.[/quote]
Nuggets. I forgot that one. Maybe the Pacers just had a P, but for some reason I always thought it was an IP. Since the stem was strangely fat, or the hand was part of the I??? Could be just me.
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Seems like Oregon State is the red headed step child of Nike in reference to the new baseball unis…
One of those “duh” headlines:
“Snow should help skiing conditions”
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Since it involves the Winter Olympics and not water skiing, I would think so…
By the way, I thought of this while shoveling the driveway – why do radio stations play “Winter Wonderland” and “Sleigh Ride” starting in November (when it’s autumn), but they don’t play them now? They’re not just for Christmas, you know. Might make the blizzard seem a little nicer.
[quote comment=”377303″][quote comment=”377302″][quote comment=”377301″]Here it is. My opinion. Take it or leave it.
The CB logo. I’ve never liked logos that take the first letter of the city (or region) and combine with the first letter of the team name. This very much includes the Colorado Rockies. I think the Texas Rangers did that once. Indiana Pacers. Who else? Anyway, it is yucky.[/quote]
so…link, then?[/quote]
ummmm……..no. List also includes the California Angels and definately the ND logo of the Brewers. It’s sandpaper to my corneas. Why you ask (or not)? Hell, beats me.[/quote]
I know it’s late, but some of us on the Best Coast are still up… While never explicitly stated, everyone I’ve ever met understood that the “CA” on the caps stood for the state. CA being the state abbreviation and all.
That’s the postal abbreviation. “Calif.” is the grammatical/whatever abbreviation of California, isn’t it?
[quote comment=”377284″]Paul: as someone who works in marketing for a baseball team, I’m a big fan of the jersey on seatback idea.
My initial reaction is that it may not work for a sport like baseball. Most season tickets are purchased by companies (who will invariably want to use this as an opportunity to slap their logo on their seats, too). The others often split the same seat among several groups since the season is so long, so we couldn’t just put one name on there.
That being said, you can bet I’ll toss around this idea next time we have a brainstorming meeting. I’m not sure we’ll ever do it, but this would be a perfect fit for football or college basketball, IMO. I think it would serve as a nice way to help our best fans feel even more connected to the team – the seats truly become “their” seats.[/quote]
I’m a Nationals season ticket holder – the full 82 games (including the exhibition) – and I share my tickets within a group. That said, it’s my credit card on file and I take the risk on selling the seats when people drop out. It’d be my name on the jersey – no doubt about it.