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Los Gigantes de San Francisco

Los Gigantes

By Phil Hecken

I love it when readers approach me with an idea for a story — even more so when they don’t have one but still want to help out. Today’s guest writer, Jose Coria approached me in just such a way this past July:

Good Morning Phil,

I’m writing to express interest in helping to write a column for Uni Watch. I’ve been a reader for about 4 years now. I can’t even remember how I first stumbled on it, but I’ve been loyal since.

It’s actually been a bit since I wrote a proper column, back to my high school days. My ten year reunion is in November, so that gives you an idea; however, I’m confident I could produce some quality stuff if given the chance. I have a small Spanish language blog I updated sporadically over at, which is more of an exercise in keeping up with Spanish than anything else, but on the chance you can read Spanish, that’s a reference.

I don’t have a ton of ideas on what to write about, but if you think I am someone who can contribute, I can run with any ideas you have, and do some additional brainstorming on my own to submit something.

Thanks for you time.


As fate would have it, I was currently reading Willie Mays’ biography, by James Hirsch, so his request couldn’t have come at a more propitious time. I replied that Jose might want to explore something along the lines of the San Francisco Giants and their use of “Gigantes” (Latin heritage) jerseys, since we needed a uni-theme. I also knew from that book that the Giants had been on of the more progressive teams (mostly in New York, but also in San Francisco) at integrating black and Latin players, actually employing the first all-black outfield in professional baseball. A few e-mails later, and we were set. Jose even went a step further and interviewed Erwin Higueros, the Giants’ Spanish-language broadcaster, for some details and background. What follows then, is Jose’s first article on Uni Watch, fittingly on…

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Los Gigantes de San Francisco
By Jose Coria

This year will mark the 8th season the San Franciso Giants have donned their Spanish-language Gigantes jerseys. It’s a practice that’s grown increasingly popular among other major league teams, as we saw the team across the bay debut an “Atléticos” jersey themselves last year. While many might consider this gimmicky, or another ploy to sell more jersey to us suckers, I like to think that it has a lot more to do with the organization paying homage to the Giants history and the fans they represent.

The Giants first donned their Gigantes jerseys on May 21st, 2005 during the unveiling of Juan Marichal’s statue outside of then SBC Park (now AT&T Park.) This had never happened in the team’s 122-year history. They in fact became the first team in Major League Baseball to translate their name to Spanish and wear it on their jerseys, not including the Padres of course. It was a decision the organization took to brand the Gigantes name, said Erwin Higueros, the Spanish language radio broadcaster for the team, in a phone interview. “I wasn’t just one time for the Giants to do it. We had to get approval from MLB to not only translate the name but to be able to wear them during Major League baseball games.” Since then, the Giants have worn them for a variety of occasions, from the Cinco De Mayo game, to Latino Heritage Night.

The San Francisco Giants’ cultural history can be traced to July 8th, 1949, when Hank Thompson and Monte Irvin became the first black Giants. Later in 1951, during Willie Mays’ rookie season, the three of them teamed up to form the Major League Baseball’s first all-black outfield. These three athletes paved the way for other black and Latino greats to become a part of the Giants history. Players like Juan Marichal from the Dominican Republic and Orlando Cepeda from Puerto Rico have had their numbers retired by the Giants and are in Cooperstown, along with Irvin.

Since that time, baseball has seen a surge of of international talent integrating into MLB. This year’s opening day rosters consisted of nearly 25% players born in Central and Latin America. This number has been consistently rising and will likely continue to grow as the sport continues to gain popularity internationally. In 2003, two years before the Gigantes jerseys came to be, the Giants had 10 Latino-born players on their opening day roster. Currently, the Giants again have 10 players on their 25-man roster from Latin American countries, now that Pablo Sandoval has returned from the disabled list and with the recent acquisitions of Marco Scutaro and Jose Mijares. If you include Latinos born stateside, such as Sergio Romo, the Giants are at 11. It’s clear that Latino players compose a large part of the Giants ballclub.

Today, the Gigantes jerseys continue to be a fan favorite. One reason may be that San Francisco fans feel they can identify with fans on a cultural level. A good example is last year, when the Casa Hispana de Bellas Artes in the Mission District of San Francisco sent Giants CEO Bill Newcombe a letter proposing the Giants to wear their Gigantes jerseys during their series against the Arizona Diamondbacks and Atlanta Braves, as a way to show opposition to their respective states recently passed anti immigrations laws. While the Giants ultimately decided not to wear them, choosing not to take a political stance on that issue, it’s an example that reflects the mutual relationship between the Giants and the community it represents. According to Higueros, translating the name is a way of trying to have the Latino community be part of the Gigantes tradition. “They wanted to brand it. We’re branding the Gigantes. We have the Gigantes jerseys, we have the Gigantes website, we have the Gigantes facebook, we have Gigantes twitter, and now we have fans wearing them… they are committed to the Hispanic community.”

These jerseys sometimes ignite controversy with some feeling that it panders too much to the Latino fans and point out that not every other culture is represented. Higueros also states that there are those who believe that you shouldn’t translate the name, the “purists.” The same people who hate the DH, who hate interleague play,ask why the name is being translated when it’s not the team name. But Latino players are such a large part of the Giants tradition, and Latinos are a large part of the city of San Francisco, that it makes a lot of sense to pay a homage to that with these threads. Not to mention that the Giants’ record with them is 8-4 so as a San Francisco fan, bring on the Gigantes unis!

Gigantes Jersey Appearances

âš« May 21st, 2005. The Giants first wore them against the Oakland Athletics, winning that game 3-2. They were worn in honor of Juan Marichal’s statue dedication. [1-0]
âš« May 22nd, 2005. The jersey was next worn the next day against the A’s, winning again 3-1. They were worn again at the player’s request. [2-0]
âš« September 12th, 2005. The Gigantes jersey was worn one more time in 2003, the same day as the 1st Annual Fiesta Gigante. They faced the Padres and won, 4-3. [3-0]
âš« May 5th, 2007. It took another year before the Giants switched to the spanish jersey again, in honor of the Cinco De Mayo. They beat the Phillies 9-4. During the game, Barry Bonds hit his 744th homerun. [4-0]
âš« September 7th, 2007. The 3rd Annual Fiesta Gigante brought the Gigantes jersey out once more. The Dodgers fell that day, 5-4. The Giants won it in the 9th on a walkoff homerun from Daniel Ortmeier. [5-0]
âš« September 6th, 2008. The Gigantes jersey was worn for Orlando Cepeda’s statue dedication, as well as the 4th Annual Fiesta Gigante. They beat the Pirates 7-6. [6-0]
âš« June 27th, 2009. The Giants only time wearing a road Gigantes uniform came against the Brewers on Hispanic Heritage Night in Milwaukee. It was their first loss with the Gigantes name, losing 7-6. [6-1]
âš« August 25th, 2009. The second times in 2009 that the Gigantes jerseys were used was during Latino Heritage night in San Francisco was against Diamondbacks. They won, 5-4. Fans got a Carlos Santana bobblehead, who was also rocking a Gigantes jersey. [7-1]
âš« September 12th, 2009. The Gigantes jerseys made an appearance for the 5th Annual Fiesta Gigante against the Dodgers. They lost, 9-1. [7-2]
âš« September 18th, 2010 – The Gigantes jerseys made an appearance for the 6th Annual Fiesta Gigante against the Brewers. They lost, 2-1 [7-3]
âš« September 10th, 2011 -The Gigantes jerseys made an appearance for the 7th Annual Fiesta Gigante against the Dodgers. They lost for the 3rd straight time with the jerseys, 3-0. [7-4]
âš« May 5th, 2012. For Cinco de Mayo, the Gigantes took on the Cerveceros and beat them 5-2. [8-4]

The Giants will use the Gigantes jersey one more time in 2012, on September 8th against the Los Angeles Dodgers. It coincides with the 8th Annual Fiesta Gigante.

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Great job, Jose, and congrats on the interview. Also, tip of the cap to the Giants for their continued progressivity and furthering of race relations in baseball. Well done, sir, well done. You can follow Jose on Twitter and be sure to visit his Gigantes Spanish Blog!



Tuesday Morning Football:

Our resident Brit, uni watcher, and colourizer extraordinaire George Chilvers has prepared for our edification a final review of the uniforms kits in the finals (and bronze medal game) of the men’s soccer football at the Olympics. No photos from his son, Stefan Chilvers, this time around, but here’s one last look at the absolutely breath-taking tilt-shift photography seen from the quarters. And now, for the last time…

here is George’s review:

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Well, that’s it from me ”“ the Men’s football tournament comes to a close. Now, I said the other day that I had seen 12 of the 16 teams. Sod’s Law says that I would not see the winners. And so it proved as Mexico shocked Brazil with a goal in the first minute, and then added a second. Brazil seemed to think they only needed to turn up to win their first ever Olympics gold in the event. They were wrong. They only did turn up in the last few minutes when they netted right on the 90 minutes, and Oscar headed off target in the last seconds when it would be easier to score than to miss.

Satisfyingly both teams wore their first kits for this game which attracted an Olympics football record attendance of 86,612 at the Home of Football, Wembley, which also was the highest attendance for any event in this Olympics (the Olympic Stadium holds a mere 80,000). Mexico wore their quite stylish all dark-green kit with shadow Aztec design and red shoulders. Atletica, previously little known, have not done themselves any harm with this design.

In contrast, although iconic, Brazil’s Nike-produced shirts looked a trifle bland. The combination of colours of course makes this a winner ”“ but it won’t win any fashion awards.

The bronze medal match the previous night in Cardiff saw a Far Eastern tussle between the ultimate victors South Korea and Japan. South Korea, with Nike kits, had their all white kit with the now distinctive twisted ribbon sash of red and blue. No matter what one thinks of Nike this is one that I think will appear again. Japan wore their increasingly favoured Adidas design all blue with a narrow red stripe (the women’s team had a pink stripe). South Korea gained the final medal with a fairly comfortable 2-0 win.

It would be churlish of me not to extend a word of congratulations to USA’s women’s team who took gold in their final . The attendance of 80,203 is absolutely stunning for an event which, to be honest, has not had a high profile in this country. The standards have hugely improved over the last decade, and many football supporters, like myself I will admit, who have been entrenched in “old thinking” (and if you wish to criticise – consider what you think about women’s baseball or women’s American football) now see that the game has moved on considerably.

Two slightly more negative things though from an outsider aspect. USA’s kits were dull dull dull. Nothing to enliven the dark blue with white sleeves. No ”“we don’t need logos, swooshes, or whatever. But this is 1970s design ”“ surely you could have added something.

And I’m sorry to tell you that those t-shirts at the end ”“ whether Nike or Team USA originated ”“ did not go down well amongst the rest of the world ”“ including your closest allies over here. “Arrogant” and “that’s why no-one likes USA” are a couple of the comments I have seen around. I am just reporting this ”“ but a little humility in victory would have gone a long way further than “Greatness has been found”. Yukh!

However ”“ never end on a sour note. The team played really well, and won on merit.

Well done USA and Mexico. But we’re looking to hunt you down next time ☺

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Thanks (again) George! Bloody good reporting. Thanks for ALL your great reporting and for sharing your son’s very excellent photography with us as well. It’s been a pleasure.


Vilk 5 & 1

Jim Vilk’s Olympic Hoops 5 & 1

Now that the Olympics have concluded, the one and only Jim Q. Vilk is back with his final run-down of the good (and bad) of the Olympic hoops matchups from the past week. Here’s Jim:

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In case you missed last week’s comprehensive-ish roundup of the tournament, it’s in here (scroll down). And now, on to Part Two. Or, as they say in London…well, they say Part Two, too:

5.Argentina/Brazil (men) – Brazil could have used some yellow somewhere.

4. Russia/Turkey (women) – Font-tastic!

3. Canada/USA (women) – There was a LOT of red in this tourney, if you hadn’t noticed yet.

2. Russia/Australia (men) – It’s a Karma Chameleon Color Palette Special!

1. Lithuania/Tunisia (men) – Same template, but great contrast.

And the bad one (Sorry, London…): China/Great Britain (men) – However, I’ll take this over a game with ads on the jerseys, Mr. Stern!

Only two years until the winter games. See you then…and maybe a few times before that.

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Good job Jim. Looking forward to the Olympic Winter Games review in 2 years. And of course, the NCAA 5 & 1 coming soon.


Collector's Corner 2

Collector’s Corner
By Brinke Guthrie

• Take a look at our lead item this week, eh? One of the “Disco Collar” Chicago White Sox jerseys. The ad says this one was team-issued. What, no clam digger pants?

• Never seen a red hockey puck before. Looks like this was possibly going into use for televised games?

• Love the retro look of this 1971 NBC NFL football manual!

• Did I say…retro? This Padres jacket is…brown. And orange. And yellow.

• Nice set of what appear to be mid-1970s NFL drinking glasses.

• When I look at this sweater, I think Jimmy Johnson, pre-Apex.

• Get your Charger Power on with this 1970s era Champion shirt. Or maybe you’re into Jazz.

Chiquita Banana NFL sticker alert!

• Nice vintage late 1960s pennant for the Boston Patriots.



#NoUniAds Campaign…Day 26

This will be a regular feature on Uni Watch until the NBA rescinds its incredibly offensive and stupid proposal to place corporate advertising on uniforms.

And now, a personal note from Paul:

It’s important that we keep making our voices heard: Call the NBA’s publicly listed phone number (212-407-8000), ask for Adam Silver’s and/or David Stern’s office), e-mail deputy commissioner Adam Silver at his his publicly listed address (, and tweet to @NBA with the hashtag #NoUniAds. Do it now.


More of your letters to the NBA:

Marc Parker:

Seriously? Your service reps are comparing the NBA, a worldwide powerhouse, to the following?

“It is also not a new concept in American sports. NASCAR, Major League Soccer, professional golf, the WNBA, and the NBA Development League all feature sponsored uniforms.”

NASCAR and Golf are individual sports, who the competitors do not get proceeds from the tickets and stadium revenues.

MLS, WNBA, and NBADL are watched by, as far as I can tell, a very select few people, and maybe the players families. I am an avid sports fan, and I could not even tell you where to find those sports on television. Are they even on TV?

When you look at the big picture now, there is not a big 4 in sports, there is a HUGE 2, and a big 2. NFL and NBA completely overshadow MLB and NHL.

Please read my original email at the bottom of this post. Is it not enough that I have to be exposed to tv ads and in stadium ads shown during games? Can’t I at least see a close up of LeBron without seeing a big McDonalds “M”, or buy a jersey without a corporate logo??

I was a HUGE NBA fan in the 90s, and when those greats left and the game changed, I stopped watching as much. Now due to the last 3 years playoffs being spectacular, I am a nightly watcher if there is a game on. Doesn’t even matter the teams. Ill watch Toronto vs Charlotte because I like watching the game. Please don’t ruin the image of the NBA by reducing it to a non-stop advertisement extravaganza. I will not attend, or purchase any more items if this happens. As a mid-30s father, who has been getting his kids into basketball, do you have any idea how much I spend on merchandise? Kids jerseys aren’t cheap, and they grow up REALLY fast, so I have to buy new ones every year.

Please reconsider this and find another revenue stream.

Nate Kettlewell:

I’m writing to express my fervent hope that the NBA will NOT add any advertising elements to its players’ uniforms, in any form, including “sponsor logos.”

By way of introduction, I’m a 38-year-old father of two boys, ages 4 and 8, all of us sports fans, and we live ten minutes from an NBA arena, the Rose Garden. I believe we represent a very desirable demographic for the league. And I’m steadfastly opposed to the inclusion of advertising in any form on any professional team uniform.

Advertising has proliferated in American culture, and that is demonstrably unhealthy for us as a people. Having attended numerous NBA games over the years in person and enjoyed many more on television and radio, advertising has utterly permeated the NBA experience, more and more over time, to the point of a near-constant visual and auditory bombardment. You’re already beyond the saturation point. There are advertisements almost everywhere they could appear, in the stadium experience and during a radio or television broadcast. Trust me, I understand how important this is for the NBA and its broadcast partners from a revenue perspective. But I do think there is something to be said for leaving some stones unturned. The uniforms themselves should not be used as advertising platforms. The uniforms are sacrosanct.

Player uniforms serve a practical purpose, to differentiate competitors during a game (colors) and to identify individual players (number and name). They are also the core of the fans’ identification with the team. I don’t root for the team’s sponsors, I root for the team. Even as I acknowledge how sponsor revenue contributes to the team’s bottom line, I don’t associate the team with that sponsor. And I certainly do not think any sponsor, at any price, deserves to be included in the visual identity of the team. That’s what on-uniform advertisements accomplish. They dilute the team identity in an unhealthy and perplexing way, saying that this advertiser is now a part of our team identity. I understand how valuable that may appear to a potential “jersey sponsor,” but it perplexes me that the league would choose to compromise its franchises’ very identity for an incremental boost to the bottom line.

Part of the issue is more straightforward: design, and space. The NBA is special in that its uniforms are the smallest of all the major sports, in terms of total fabric. A sleeveless jersey simply does not have a lot of space for anything beyond the player’s number, team name, and player name. (Aside: I consider the league’s logo to be superfluous and unwelcome, and absolutely pointless to include on both the jersey and the shorts. But I understand it’s not going anywhere.) Basketball jerseys are small; it is guaranteed that any advertisement, no matter how small or innocuous it is claimed to be, will be a significant defacement of the player jerseys. To be clear, no ads are welcome, and any ad on a basketball uniform is going to be a very, very big deal.

As a final point, I noted above how the NBA game experience has steadily degraded over time thanks to the proliferation of advertising. There is no reason for any of us to believe that ads on NBA jerseys would start small and stay small. The desire to always increase revenue, at any cost, will win out. In time, ads will expand until finally the city and nickname are sacrificed — and much more space besides, until all the available real estate on the jersey and shorts is used as ad space. It would be incredibly difficult, if not impossible, for me to watch such a game, let alone consider supporting it by buying any authentic or replica uniform. And I see no compelling reason, aside from flat-out greed, why an established league such as the NBA would start down that precarious path.

Thank you for your time and attention.

Thanks for keeping the faith readers! We can stop the NBA if we can keep up the pressure.


Thanks to Tim E. O’Brien and Chris Giorgio for the image in the upper right of this section!


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“Benchies” first appeared at U-W in 2008, and has been a Saturday & Sunday feature here for the past two years.

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Yes, but will he come get us if Timmy falls down a well?…

8-14-12 d-teeth

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Uni Watch News Ticker: The Triple-A Colorado Springs Sky Sox (Pacific Coast League) returned to the past on Sunday with players sporting jerseys with the old Socko logo. (Thanks to Alan D. Poff). … Here’s more on those VA Tech chicken feet helmets (h/t to Jim Weber). … Ryan Perkins asks, “What kind of helmet is this???” Since neither Paul nor I are helmet guys, perhaps the fine readership can answer. … Some UConn soccer uni notes from Gregory Koch: “Unfortunately, I don’t have any photos because my cell phone camera decided to delete them, but here are some interesting notes from the men’s and women’s UConn soccer exhibitions yesterday. 1. The women wore their gray practice jerseys for the game. I have been assured on Facebook here that the gray jerseys are just practice jerseys (there’s a picture there too), but I don’t know why they wore them for the exhibition. 2. For the men’s game, UConn wore their road blues and UMass their home whites, even though the game was in Storrs.” … Jordan Jones sends an intro video for the Madden 13 Demo: Seahawks vs. Redskins. “The Redskins are wearing throwbacks but the uniforms are different for every other player. Some players have the ‘Skins logo on the left shoulder while some don’t.” … Jay Sullivan shares a tweet: Signs you know @PENNfb camp is coming… Every Quaker’s favorite ride is out for a tune-up and bath. … Two bits of interest from Reuven Szleifer: “Before Stony Brook University joined D1 athletics and became the Sea Wolves, they were the Patriots. This was the club hockey team jersey from the late ’70s – thought you would get a kick out of the stripes (red, but faded to pink over the years) and the classic Pats logo. Just an aside, as a Wisconsin alum I am really disappointed with the adidas alternate jerseys for the Nebraska game. They really screwed that one up, which is a shame, and just a few years after they wore their beautiful 1960s throwbacks.” … Joseph Bailey has a question: “Bradley Cooper is in a movie where he plays a huge Eagles fan. I don’t know if this photo does it justice, but it shows him in a Reebok jersey, but the NFL Shield logo is whited out as well as the jock tag on the bottom of the jersey. Do they need permission from the NFL to show their stuff in a movie? Does this have anything to do with the Nike deal? Did Ice Cube get permission for this?” … My buddy Mike Styczen was at Friday’s Cubs/Reds game and the lucky bastard he and his wife were seated in the front row. So he snapped this photo of Mike Leake’s stirrups. Says Mike, “It was pretty obvious I’m person that the socks were ordinary sweat socks, not sanitaries. Not sure if it shows up in the photo.” … Looks like the Army Black Knights will have a new gold(?) helmet for the coming season (thanks to Leo Thornton). Or, as Walter Ford points out: “A little less metallic and a little more burnished, with an extra-wide black stripe down the center. Looks good, albeit not too much different.” … “Not sure if we’ve seen these unis,” says Jay Sullivan, regarding these awful camo things VT will be trotting out for Military Appreciation night. What has been seen cannot now be unseen. … “Are any other teams doing this?” asks Brian Manganaro. “Stripes in the middle of quarterbacks’ extended sleeves? Result of new Nike unis?” A similar hue and cry was heard from Dustin Hall who writes, “NOO!!! The new Nike Jerseys have the sleeve stripes not at the bottom of the sleeve but some where arbitrarily up from the bottom. Seems like on a “standard” jersey there is about a 1-2 inch gap between the stripes and the end of the sleeve. This is very disappointing it looks previous years crummy knockoffs when the sleeve stripes were normal. We wont even go into the whole stripes not going all the way around) As you know various positions have different cuts and for years this has caused the whole stripes not going all the way around phenom, now the different sleeve cuts can minimize how glaring the gap between the stripes and the end of the sleeve is.” … Ryan Nuber notes the Falcons have listed their 2012 throwback games, “uni schedule, including their two throwback games. The NFL shop posted a photo of the Nike throwbacks, and they appear to have to modern logo on the sleeve. Can’t tell if they are planning on using clashing helmet and sleeve logos or if we can expect a red helmet with the modern logo. Either way, not an upgrade.” … Colin Melcolnic says Nike has confused Russia for France. … Ryan “Ry Co 40” Connelly checks in with this: “I just realized, and I don’t remember seeing this detail on UW, that the camo area of the new era hats is actually material and not thread. Check out the pics I took this weekend. I assumed it was stitched.” … The subject line reads Nebraska’s balloon tradition.”‹…..pop..”‹ppffffffff”‹ffffffffDavid Westfall‘s e-mail body continues, “So, due to a shortage of helium in the USA, Nebraska will stop the balloon sales after the 1st game against Southern Miss.” … Brian Haines attended the Colts vs. Rams game Sunday and wondered if anyone knew why they wore white @ home? “I have been to a lot of games and this is the first time I have ever seen this.” … This weekend the Omaha Storm Chasers (triple-A affiliate of the Kansas City Royals) will play as the OmaHogs, according to Mike Vamosi. … Utah goes with Black helmets, its official, says Ben Hatfield: “This was released by the team. Not sure what it will look like but something like this.” … Check out these pictures of an 1860s style game that took place in Dexter, Michigan last weekend. Click here for more pictures and information about the baseball clubs (thanks to Jim Polacek). … Reason #234 why softball tops suck, courtesy of Alex Rocklein: “Seriously? Seriously. This is an abomination.” … “Raider Fans Scare Me,” says Terry Duroncelet, “And it’s only the first preseason game.” … RIP Mr. Paveskovich.


And that does it for this fine Tuesday. Big thanks to Jose for that nice lede, and also to George, MoVi and Brinke for their bits, plus Ricko for the Benchies, and of course to everyone who is keeping the faith by writing to the NBA and protesting the sponsor logos. Great stuff all around today.


“Y’know, people make fun of “Old Baseball Guy” as a generic character, some kind of odd comic figure who hangs around, even if it’s just in the neighborhood to watch American Legion games or something. But, guess what, a whole lot of baseball’s extraordinary place in the American consciousness””not to mention the game’s history””leaves us when we lose someone like Johnny Pesky.”
— Rick Pearson

Comments (177)

    In regards to Ry Co’s detail about the New Era camo hats, I think it’s yet another reason why baseball teams should have one, maybe two caps at most. But New Era and MLB see dollar signs, so instead we get to deal with the fashion idiocy of it all. Oh well. So much for form or function.

    There are a couple of teams for which having a fabric logo, rather than stitching, would probably be a good idea. Not camo, mind you, but the flat fabric effect works nicely for some of the logos at both the thicker and the thinner end of the spectrum. (On the thin ones, I think it’s because the fabric forces the main line to be a bit thicker, so it makes the logo a bit bolder.) Texas, maybe first and foremost.

    For all of those that were offended by the poignant Team USA t-shirts, may I suggest a one kilo bag of the freshest lemons you can buy. Carefully employed they should last you several days or longer.

    Have we reached the point where winning with class is as rare as stirrups on a major leaguer? It’s possible to celebrate a victory while still showing some respect to those you beat.

    67 years ago today, this is how victory over Japan was celebrated:


    Uniforms and ideals, not T shirts and slogans.

    I’m a huge USA WNT booster. Named my dog after Julie Foudy back before most Americans had ever heard that women play soccer at all. Seeing these women beat Japan for gold was maybe the sweetest moment I’ve had as a fan in the last decade.

    And still, I was offended by those shirts. They were classless, crap shirts, and it’s telling that a few of the most veteran players, like Wambach, didn’t put them on at first, until apparently being told to do so.

    Gets to a larger point: The modern notion that winning athletes should immediately model championship merchandise is terrible, and needs to be reversed. You’ve just won the Super Bowl or the World Series or the Olympics, and the first thing you do is cover up your uniform? Bull-shit. That’s the moment when it’s most important to show your uniform with pride. You can wear your “We’re Number One” t-shirt in the parade later, but down on the field of play when you win and then accept the trophy, you don’t cover up your uniform.

    Swapping shirts is quite a past-time in football (not in the women’s game of course!) which led many years ago to an amusing situation in I think a German Cup Final where teams swapped shirts and then collected their medals and the trophy.

    Of course the sponsors of the winning team were livid that all the celebration pictures showed the team, that they had paid money to sponsor, in their moment of triumph wearing someone else’s shirts.

    Good point, and since the shirt swap thing is an expression of sportsmanship, that’s fine too. World of difference between players on both teams swapping shirts as mementos from a big game and one team wearing look-at-me t-shirts instead of their own unis.

    You can cheerfully purchase your own Nike sponsored t-shirt form the TeamUSA store (and other fine retailers) for USD 29.95. (link)

    A portion of the proceeds will be donated to the United Nations Lemon Relief Fund.

    USD 29.95?

    In Britain there’s a saying that “at least Dick Turpin wore a mask” :)

    Yep, USD 29.95 is horse thievery for certain. However I have associates in Shanghai that can deliver exact copies for a fraction of that price, in large quantities of course.

    They’ll go with the genuine Giorgio Armani sunglasses I bought a few months back in a little tourist shop in the middle of nowhere in Zakynthos (a Greek island). I got a genuine Prada bag to keep them in too!

    Mind you there was also a t-shirt in there for the famous Spanish football team “Bracelona”

    “at least Dick Turpin wore a mask”

    Stand and deliver!

    or, if you’re charging it, it would be…

    Swipe and deliver!

    “Swipe and deliver” – but we do add a small service charge for using a card…….

    i firmly support the swapping of shirts following the conclusion of any womens’ soccer match

    “You can wear your “We’re Number One” t-shirt in the parade later, but down on the field of play when you win and then accept the trophy, you don’t cover up your uniform.”

    Where was that recommendation when the Japanese women won the World Cup last year?


    anyone know which lifestyle brand sponsors japan? i’m having a hard time figuring it out from that pixture

    By the time that photo was taken, I’m pretty sure I had turned away from the TV in despair and was well into drowning my sorrows under an ocean of spiritous drink.

    The easiest way to avoid see your opponent wearing championship gear is to win the game yourself.

    Madden Jerseys: In the player creation/editing mode, players are given two options for jersey fit.
    “Sleeves Normal”: gives the player a jersey with cap sleeves that end below the shoulders.
    “Sleeves Tight”: gives the player a jersey without sleeves, cutting around the shoulder pad area.
    In this case, if a Washington player has sleeves tight, the game glitches, and removes the logo from the jersey. If you look, all of the players that don’t have sleeves are missing the logo, whereas the players that do wear jerseys that feature sleeves do.

    Am I the only UWer that believes that BROWN helmets worn with vintage era throwback uniforms look like crap?

    They look horrible. On Madden2012 also.

    You’re not the only one. I don’t like those helmets either. The Skins should have just used plain helmets, like they did when they wore a similar uniform in 1994.

    (Or, better yet, just not wear a throwback in the first place)

    “MLS, WNBA, and NBADL are watched by, as far as I can tell, a very select few people, and maybe the players families. I am an avid sports fan, and I could not even tell you where to find those sports on television. Are they even on TV?”

    Ugh, I hate stuff like this. If you expect someone to respect your opinion, then you should respect that other people like stuff that you don’t. The belittling of developing sports and leagues is quite tragic, and means the letter’s original intent gets railroaded by small mindedness.

    Phil pulls that crap all the time. This guy was probably just mimicking, as is the custom here.

    Not to mention the wisdom of insulting 2 leagues that the NBA subsidizes and runs while trying to talk them into doing something.

    “NASCAR and Golf are individual sports, who the competitors do not get proceeds from the tickets and stadium revenues.”

    Also, NASCAR and Golf winners get prize money, which is partially subsidized by tickets & revenue from the event.

    I agree it looks like a Rawlings helmet to me as well. If so, how are players wearing them if Riddell is the official helmet supplier? Surprised Rawlings are making a comeback.

    Players can wear any brand helmet that meets specs, but on Ridell can have logo on front and back bumpers.

    It is a Rawlings Quantum. BTW, I hope this doesn’t turn into the ‘what is the green dot’ type of question as I think this has been asked and answered quite a few times in recent weeks : )

    Nike’s indirectly involved with yet another terrific plan to get Detroit kids to show up for school (for 1 day…Federal/State Funding Day!):


    you know with the huge Asian population in San Francisco, you think the Giants would do an Asian heritage uni too

    RE: The Colts’ white unis- Phil Wilson reported that team COO Pete Ward wanted to do “something fun” for the preseason game. The change will not be permanent.

    the Colts are 2-0 in SuperBowls wearing all white, 0-2 in SuperBowls wearing blue jerseys. if i was them, i’d be wearing all white all the time.

    Since moving to Indy, the Colts have worn White-at-Home in the preseason at least three other times. I have a specific recollection of seeing it and filing that away. My recollection is that it is for the first home preseason game. I’m sure that other UW’ers know more about this than I do. Just in preseason. I believe that it even predates Peyton Manning. Who knows why?

    If I recall correctly–I was born a year after Bob Irsay packed up the Mayflower trucks at 2 AM and moved the Colts to Indy–the Colts actually wore white at home quite often, almost as much as the team that would replace them in Baltimore.

    During that period in the mid-80s, white at home was pretty common across the whole AFC East, so it probably was a way to have Indy fans actually see a Patriot Red, Jet Green, Dolphin Aqua and Bills Blue jersey.

    By playing in outddor arenas like seattle, mls has a higher attendance than the nba or nhl.

    Not just friends and family

    Average attendance per game is a ridiculous proxy for the popularity of a sport for countless reasons. As Ricko notes, seating capacity skews raw numbers. Additionally, there’s the issue of number of games played (if the NFL played 82 home games, would they still sell 60k+ tickets for every game?). Beyond all that, there’s the fact that going to a game is expensive (and requires you to be in close proximity to the stadium) so it represents a very small fraction of people actually following the sport. I would argue both TV ratings and revenue are better indications of a sport’s popularity.

    Try telling that to the 14,000 or so that New England gets every game.

    We really need a separate stadium. Playing in a mostly-empty cave sucks.

    Great job covering throughout the Olympics, Mr. Chilvers. I’m sure I don’t speak for all of us over here, especially that guy a few comments up who insulted you, but I thought the t-shirts Nike slapped on the Women’s soccer team was classless as hell too. You just won a Gold medal, fuck a t-shirt. Whoever is responsible should be ashamed, but we know they weren’t.

    Thank you – it was actually a pleasure.

    As for me being insulted? No. It’s not just my view I’m afraid, but as I said I’m reporting a wideheld view.

    Celebrate victory, by all means. Have t-shirts that say “Olympic Champions”, that’s fine. Almost expected.

    But “greatness”? One goal by Japan in the last half-hour would have provided what Alex Ferguson once called “squeaky bum time”. It was that close.

    USA won – congratulations – genuinely. Celebrate it. But perceived arrogance never goes down well.

    I think you misunderstand my “insulted” comment. I was referring to the guy a few comments up talking about a kilo of lemons and actually defending those terrible shirts.

    Any way, great job, again.

    Not sure how frustrated I should be at all the typos in the Ticker lately, because I know this takes a ton of effort to put together every day. It happens enough that sometimes I can’t understand what a particular sentence is actually supposed to say, though it doesn’t happen enough to turn me away from visiting the blog, so make of that what you will.

    are the typos in “quotes”? because that’s how they come in — perhaps those who submit (and the ticker can take upwards of 3 hours to compile) should proof themselves

    sorry, but (and i’ve said this before) i don’t know how paul does this every day (granted, he’s not sitting behind a desk in an office for 9 hours a day), but the amount of submissions that come in, many with bad links, others that need their submissions hosted by flickr…that shit takes time…plus a large number of them are over 100 words, and while i try to edit them, that sometimes leaves sentence fragments and incomplete thoughts…the ticker is already (often) over 1,000 words

    so…if there are typos in the ticker, it’s largely due to cutting and pasting of poorly worded/spelled submissions … GIGO


    It happens enough that sometimes I can’t understand what a particular sentence is actually supposed to say

    Really? You must be great at problem solving.

    I’m with Phil on this one. I’ve had quite a few typos (dyslexic digits), but they’re my responsibility. Sometimes I notice them before it goes to print, so I e-mail Phil/Paul to amend, sometimes I don’t notice till too late, and it gets printed. Sometimes it’s in comments which enables Phil to poke fun ;)

    Thanks to everybody who chimed in about my mystery Chargers helmet question. I knew I’d never seen that style nose bumper before. Interesting to see Rawlings on a pro player (though now that I think about it, Steven Jackson wore a different style Rawlings last year) after years of Schutt, Riddell, and a smattering of Adams and Xenith.

    Don’t forget that the Giants already wear Spanish-language jerseys 81 games each year.

    Back when Spain ran the place, wasn’t it called “El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Angeles”? Try putting that on a jersey. Or interlocking the letters EPDNSLRDLA on a cap.

    Well try this Welsh teamn out:
    Clwb Pel Droed Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerych wyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch Football Club


    I saw that it was cut off in the mannequin that Nike had at the unveiling a few months back, but a lot of players have had them cut off in recent years, mostly lineman but a few were position players. Now it is everyone except the QB.

    1). Nice work by Jose on the Gigantes
    2). Raider fan pic: looks like they dug up Al Davis


    Cleveland should wear the brown helmets that Nike hooked up the Redskins with….all the time.

    Sorry, the plain brown helmets look horrible. Maybe with striping, bt not plain. The Packers and Skins’ Brown throwback helmets look horrible.

    “Sorry, the plain brown helmets look horrible.”

    Yup, almost no way you can make a plastic shell look like a leatherhead. It’s just gonna be a giant Milk Dud with a facemask.

    Michael Principe’s Bulwark helmet was a good idea IMO as it used an old paint pattern similar to what was on the the leather (specifically MacGregor) helmets had but they used it on a modern helmet.

    Yeah, brown helmets…not so much. They should just come up with some retro inspired helmets like a solid color with contrasting stripe. Of course, there would still be complaints.

    Love the writeup on the Gigantes history. Interesting irony: The most vocal opponents of Gigantes, and other teams’ equivalent Latino heritage jerseys, dismiss it as “political correctness” run amok. Which is the same argument that many of the same people use to dismiss objections to the continued use of the Indians moniker and Chief Wahoo in Cleveland, often citing the (false) story that the name is intended as an honor to one particular guy. Turns out that Gigantes actually does have its roots in honoring one specific guy, and when the Giants have been pressured to use the jerseys in an overtly political way, they’ve said no.

    Also, I’m a baseball purist. Hate the DH. Not a fan of interleague. Wish the Brewers and Astros would have stayed in their leagues. I miss the above-the-belt strike zone. And so forth.

    But I love the Gigantes jerseys. It’s just fun, that’s all. If I lived in San Fran and rooted for the Giants, which I probably would since I like their unis better than Oakland, the Gigantes jersey is the one I’d lust after. Unless they actually did a kanji equivalent for Japanese heritage night or something even more obscure.

    “I miss the above-the-belt strike zone.”

    ESPN occasionally used to air a game from the 1952 World Series (Dodgers v. Yankees). Was struck by the number of letter-high pitches that were called strikes that never would be strikes today.

    Once you notice it, is almost impossible to ignore while you’re watching.

    Also how few times the batter steps out of the box between pitches (compared to today, that is).

    Oh, yeah, the de facto batter’s right to call timeouts, sometimes multiple timeouts, between pitches. Irks me to no end. It’s right there in the rulebook: umps have sole authority to call time, not players, and umps are not actually supposed to grant timeouts all the time. If the batter is not suffering physical distress, he ought to stay in the box between pitches, and the ump should call a strike on anyone who pulls a Jeter and imperiously calls time on his own and steps out. (They all do it these days, but Jeter sort of perfected the approach of calling time and not even looking at the ump to see if he’s agreed to grant it.)

    If I were commissioner, I’d come down like a ton of bricks on enforcing the actual real timeout rule, to the point that I’d look for a too-liberal-timeout-granting ump to fire just to set an example to the rest of ’em. I’d also make pickoff attempts count as ball 1-3 but never ball 4, the pitching equivalent of foul-ball strikes. All in the name of keeping the game moving.

    I don’t hate interleague play, but I do hate the DH, and I actually like the Gigantes jersey. Mostly because, if you’re going to do a Latin Heritage night and change your jerseys for it, go all out. I’m in the camp that would rather see “Gigantes” than “Los Bulls”. Yet, some of my Hispanic friends feel differently about it (Which I’ve read is a quite common opinion in that community).

    In that Rox-Brewers game, the problem is not the softball tops. The problem is that MLB has no rule requiring teams to wear contrasting uniforms. There are few enough colors in baseball that MLB could simply write a list of which combos are allowed and which are forbidden, and then instruct umps to tell the visiting team to change if it wears a violating jersey. Or, better yet, simply declare that only one team may wear a colored alt, and home team gets first choice.

    but what about the pitchers??????????????

    shouldn’t their feelings be considered? if two guys who like the softball tops (and who happen to face each other) are on the bumps, then their preferences should top any perceived slight the forbidding of contrasting colors may present…after all, it’s baseball — uniforms don’t matter, right? i mean, you know who’s on your team right? more personal expression is better

    go suck a lemon arr

    This just In …. Germany announced they will loan a gazillion euros in Spain and Italy’s citrus growers. Lemon supplies in the UK and throughout Europe are expected to stabilize in time for the 2016 games in Rio. Fortunately Argentina is a major citrus producer.

    Actually, there is a MLB guideline (not hard & fast rule) that teams “should not” wear similar-colored alts. It’s been in effect for 3 years now. It was spotty in 2010 (teams like ATL/CHW/SD blew it off to wear their dark alts seemingly all the time). Almost everyone got on board with it in 2011, with maybe 1 miss. But this year, teams have been less diligent. By my count, this would be the 4th time it’s happened this year.

    For reference, “similar alts” would be the same colors (obviously), navy/black, brick/red, purple/navy, etc.

    I was gonna say, unlike most other sports (especially hockey, soccer, and to a lesser extent basketball), the way baseball is played jersey color isn’t necessary. Turnovers happen at the turn of a dime in all of the other aforementioned sports plus football, while baseball it only happens after the fielding team controls three outs. Plus, with the fielding team wearing gloves and the batting team wearing helmets…

    My bigger fuss is why teams continually have to have a gray away uniform. For what, traditions sake? A colored uniform has proven to work well. Teams don’t need to have GFGS.

    Baseball umps do need to be able to make snap judgments between players, such as who reaches a base first, runner or fielder. And run-downs. But I agree; in general uniform difference is less critical to officiating in baseball than in field sports. But it’s just as important to fans. Possibly even moreso, since you can pretty well tell which team a football player is on by the direction he’s moving on the field. But runners and infielders occupy the same space and frequently move in the same directions during play. Anything that makes it even a little bit harder for a fan to distinguish at a quick glance between a runner taking a lead and a fielder covering a base is a Very Bad Idea.

    Cricket has had both teams in white for about 150 years (I know they now wear pyjamas for some games – but that’s, as they say, just not cricket)

    Why is “go suck a lemon” an insult? Lemons taste good! Plus, they look like the A’s softball jerseys, which are fantastic baseball smocks.

    Like the wise man said, When life gives you lemons, make the Oakland A’s.

    The pitcher in the photos is link and thus his feelings are completely irrelevant, as he’s desecrating his team’s aesthetics far more than a blue or purple jersey could ever do.

    Kyle O. is correct. It is the Rawlings NRG, but since Riddell has the NFL contract they can’t use the front bumper logo.


    The “Some Things You Can’t Un-see” Exhibit #3,710 — that Colorado-Milwaukee softball tops game.

    The umpires should never have allowed the first pitch to be thrown until one of the teams went back to the clubhouse and changed their shirts.

    Abominable. Heads need to roll.


    What is truly amazing is that teams don’t appear to have the brains to figure that out for themselves.

    a. If I never see the word “abomination” again, it will be too soon. It is completely overused. I could say the same for “monstrosity”.

    b. In conjunction with the Olympic Games Nike ran their “Find Greatness” campaign. You may have seen the commercials featuring young people competing in various athletic events, one included simply a slightly overweight youngster running. The objective of the campaign was to push yourself in training to get closer to your goals. This campaign ran for the entire Olympic Games, culminating with an effort to make 8/12 the most active day in history (based on results attained from varying Nike technologies), yet when a team “found their greatness” and wore a t-shirt, all hell breaks loose. Should it have been done at the venue? That is to be debated, but most of these Olympic Athletes have trained 90% of their life for a chance to compete for a total of just minutes, and if those minutes translate into a gold medal, and finding THEIR greatness, I say, celebrate as you will. NONE of us will ever know some of these athlete’s sacrifices.

    Every athlete makes sacrifices, why does that entitle them to be big headed about victory? An ‘Olympic Champions’ tee would have been fine, but notions of greatness should be applied by others, not the athletes themselves.

    So, for example, DiMaggio’s claim to being the greatest living ballplayer was legitimate since others thought so (and voted him to be considered as such, as long as he still had a pulse), but Bolt and Ali (self-proclaimed ‘greatists’) are outrageous for proclaiming themselves to be?

    “It ain’t braggin’ if you can back it up.” -Dizzy Dean

    One of the central images of that “Find Greatness” campaign is a painfully long shot of a very fat child, lumbering down a long country road. The message is that whatever effort you make at self-improvement, you’ve achieved Greatness.

    It’s a weirdly touching commercial: you find yourself rooting for this wheezing, sweating shambles of a boy, as he struggles his way along. And it’s a fine message for selling shoes — give me your poor, your tired, your lardpantsed masses, yearning to avoid adult onset diabetes. About a year ago, I ran (OK, waddled is a fairer word) a mile, for the first time since the first Bush Administration, and I have to admit, I felt great. I felt great enough to wear a shirt, celebrating my Greatness.

    And that’s the reason why the shirt was offensive.

    These are gifted, supremely conditioned athletes, competing against other gifted, supremely conditioned athletes. The symbol of their achievement, their greatness, is the gold medal around their necks: they don’t need to announce it in a gilt-lettered t-shirt. I am pretty sure that Geoffrey Mutai, defending champion of the NYC Marathon, doesn’t run his weekend errands dressed in a “I Completed the New York City Marathon” t-shirt. That stuff’s for amateurs; it’s weekend warrior baloney.

    (And these shirts had a fundamentally different intent than the now-traditional “locker room” tees. Those shirts are intended to market the shirt itself, which is sold to fans as a memento of their favorite team’s victory. These “Greatness” shirts were advertising for a whole line of Nike products. In effect, Nike turned the best women’s soccer team in the world into 25 walking billboards.)

    if those minutes translate into a gold medal, and finding THEIR greatness, I say, celebrate as you will

    The athletes are not celebrating “as they will”, they’re celebrating as Nike is making them, and therein lies the shit sandwich.

    I think the story was mentioned here at the time, but shirt swapping can cause grief when players wamt the same kit. I think it involves a german team and messi/barca.

    I’d heard a story about Guti and Zinedine Zidane getting in an argument over one of David Beckham’s shirts. I believe this was when United beat Real Madrid 4-3 in the Champions League, but still lost on aggregate.

    86,612 is not an Olympic football record. The record is the bronze medal match at Mexico City in 1968, where 105,000 at Azteca Stadium saw the hosts lose to Japan. (75,000 showed up for the gold medal match to see Hungary defeat Bulgaria.) The record for a gold medal final is Sydney 2000 at 104,098, while Los Angeles 1984 also exceeded 100,000 both the gold and bronze matches.

    Question for George Chilvers (hopefully you’re still reading thru the comments): Is the USA the only soccer team (women’s or men’s) that chose to not replace their federation logo with their country flag on their kits? Seems as though everyone else did but the US women’s team has nothing that identifies it as the USA.

    Not all had the national flag – many had a national Olympic logo (eg women: South Africa, Canada, France, GB and men:Honduras, Belarus, NZ and GB again). These were different from the usual federation designs (which were banned) and tended to include some national element and the Olympic rings.

    USA were the only team not to include any type of flag/logo on their shirts.

    While I know you expressed your dislike of the U.S. women’s jersey, I kind of liked it. The one thing it needed was a flag or some kind of logo just so the front wouldn’t look so plain. It may have been a simple design, but I find it preferable to some the other designs they’ve worn. The most recent Womens World Cup jersey as a prime example.

    Didn’t say I didn’t like it. I said it was dull. It is a classic design, like I used to watch week in week out in the 70s. But it is nonetheless dull.

    Interesting that the Boston Patriots pennant in Collector’s Corner, from 1967, has the NFL shield. Agreement to merge AFL and NFL was reached in 1966 but did not take effect until the 1970 season.

    RE: “The San Francisco Giants’ cultural history can be traced to July 8th, 1949” – I am certain that the team’s cultural history extends much farther back in time than 1949. Unless “cultural” now means “non-white.” Otherwise, some other descriptive device should be in use, such as “African-American culture” or “latin American culture.” Otherwise this is a great article and it’s great that SF wears the Gigantes jerseys.

    RE: softball tops. How about the tops and bottoms just match? I agree that road uniforms do not need to be gray, But wear blue pants if you wear blue shirts. A purple shirt on top of white pinstripe pants looks far more stupid than two teams on the same field wearing a similar hue, though I think for the fans’ sake (those in the cheap seats and watching on TV) that’s not a good idea either.

    I’m pretty sure that Bradley Cooper is wearing a Jaguar jersey…(I may be wrong – not the first time).

    Also – the text in the article indicates that it’s not Cooper’s character, but the character’s father who is the Eagles fan……..

    Just my 2 cents.

    yeah Jen, I think you are wrong on this, it’s an Eagles jersey not a Jags jersey. The #1 is the giveaway.

    So I was watching the morning news today in Cincinnati and learned something “interesting” about tennis. Cincinnati is currently holding the western and southern open and they were talking about general rules and questions. One of the news anchors asked a player why they always wear the same outfit throughout the tournament, was it superstition, etc? The player responded that the sponsor selects their wear and sends over 10 identical shirts, 10 shorts, etc. Apparently, f you watch closely, I believe Andy roddick (I think that’s his name) has 5 identical shirts in his bag and changes during breaks…

    Jose Coria, I must commend you and yesterday’s columnist Robert Marshall for all the comprehensive research. Kudos, gentlemen!

    George Chilvers, thanks for the top-drawer coverage of the Olympic football matches. And good luck to Wigan this year.

    Ricko, after reading that last panel, I’m wondering if Mike’s gonna look like a hockey player tomorrow. Can’t wait to find out.

    That Brewers/Rockies game would look a lot better if the Brewers wore what they’re supposed to wear:

    I know that some people are making a big deal about the Nike logo that faces forward on the right sleeve on the new NFL jerseys and calling them backwards. To me, the logo that is on the left sleeve of this Raiders jersey is REALLY backwards… what’s up with link?

    Looks like Pedophile State might have more than football to worry about.


    Interestingly enough, a source that is well outside PSU’s realm has more detailed information about it.


    For those who don’t know, a university losing accreditation means that it loses federal funding for student loans and research. In layman’s terms, PSU would all but cease to exist. If alumni of Columbia Pacific University an prove, that means recent grads could even have their degrees declared invalid.

    And then there’s this…

    The entire story (and the dark silence that hovered over it) is a long, long way from being fully told, I’m afraid.

    I would be perfectly OK with them losing regional accreditation. That should be the REAL price they should pay for what Sandusky did. I can sleep easier at night knowing I’m an alumni of Youngstown State University. The worst Youngstown has to deal with is politicians involved with the mafia–and that’s on the city itself and not YSU. I wouldn’t be surprised if in five years, having a degree from the University of Phoenix (no offense to their alumni) is more accredited than from State College.

    i don’t know if i’d go that far, but the complete and utter lack of contrition and absolute indignation from students and alums is rather sickening

    the whole university really, really just needs to take a step back, consider themselves lucky there is even football at all, and take their medicine

    i know that sounds harsh, and probably 99% of those folks there had nothing to do with this, but taking a “fuck you, it’s us against the world” and “we are…penn state” attitude isn’t helping the healing process at all

    not everything in life is fair, sadly, and when medicine is administered, sometimes it’s best to just swallow the bitter pill and move on

    Well Phil, seeing that I live about three hours from State College and within 45 minutes from TWO satellite campuses, I can’t tell you how much of a bigger deal it is HERE, let alone the rest of the country. IDK, from an athletic support I’ve been more of a WVU fan in recent years anyways. (Of course, the YSU Penguins come first for me.) Being in PSU’s backyard and on the fringes of Buckeye Brutus’s influence (literally, if I drive 10 minutes to the west, I’m in Ohio), I will be pulling for Ohio State to win on October 27th.

    With that said, I do agree with you though as far as the students and alumni are concerned. If something like this happened at YSU I would be distancing myself from the university and not try to act like “nothing happened”. They’re not a small school–it is Division I, albeit FCS, though it could easily play FBS and in the MAC if it wanted to–but it is small enough YSU would at least nip this in the bud. PSU, being a land-grant university, probably thought it wouldn’t get caught.

    Actual loss of accreditation would be wildly disproportionate. But good on the regional body for using the threat of accreditation loss to force meaningful administrative reforms. More than even the NCAA’s attempt to do the same, the regional body should have the ability to see that changes to administrative practices and culture are not only promised but delivered.

    I agree. The NCAA can do what they want, but they’re not governed by the U.S. Government. The various agencies that issue regional accreditation (including the Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools, which PSU is a part of) operates directly under the U.S. Department of Education. There is a BIG difference between shutting down a football team for two years by a non-governmental confederation and shutting down an ENTIRE university permanently by order of the government. Again, I wouldn’t be surprised if in five years a degree from the University of Phoenix–which is a for-profit school (at least for-profit schools are honest and up-front on their intentions)–is considered more credible than a degree from the Keystone State’s designated land-grant university.

    Talking with friends and family that are Penn State fans (and an alum in one case), I feel like they were going to complain no matter what the punishment. I don’t know if they fully realize just how much worse it could have been. This could be worse than the worse case scenario the NCAA considered. If they thought what they received was unfair, then this is a rude awakening.

    True that James. Losing regional accreditation would be a REAL death penalty, not what the NCAA calls a “death penalty”.

    I read something a couple of years back that PSU was one of the only Division I FBS programs that never had a major NCAA violation. Go figure their first one was–deservingly–the harshest punishment short of the “death penalty” the NCAA ever handed out.

    Ricko, that story you linked to is just sickening.

    Pedophiles tend to be extremely conspiratorial: they stick together, and they become adept at using connections to hide their actions from the world.

    I’m not making accusations, but what if a couple of highly placed boosters were involved in Sandusky’s actions? What if they used money and influence to keep him where he was, to afford him the access he enjoyed?

    You’re right — this thing could be a whole lot uglier than it has been so far.

    Soccer will overtake hockey and basketball in popularity in the next 25 years. It’s clear that as the globe “shrinks” the game of soccer with continue to explode as it has around the rest of the planet. The single MOST IMPORTANT factor will be player salaries in the MLS. When the MLS can afford to pay the top players in the world a competitive salary to Premier Teams in Europe or NBA/NFL/MLB players, American athletes, African Americans, Hispanics will choose soccer since it affords players a chance to play a highly profitable sport on two continents… follow the MONEY folks…

    Red Sox announced they’ll be wearing black armbands as a tribute to Johnny Pesky:


    The tweet makes it sound like it’ll be a road thing only. I wonder if they have something else planned for Fenway. Maybe cutting a 6 into the outfield grass, or as RPM suggested, black ribbons on the right field foul pole?

    Soccer will overtake hockey and basketball in popularity in the next 25 years. It’s clear that as the globe “shrinks” the game of soccer with continue to explode as it has around the rest of the planet. The single MOST IMPORTANT factor will be player salaries in the MLS. When the MLS can afford to pay the top players in the world a competitive salary to Premier Teams in Europe or NBA/NFL/MLB players, American athletes, African Americans, Hispanics will choose soccer since it affords players a chance to play a highly profitable sport on two continents… follow the MONEY folks… The next expansion team in the MLS wil be the NY Cosmos by the way.

    “Soccer will overtake hockey and basketball in popularity in the next 25 years.”

    I am not going to contest that thought, because technology these days is extraordinary.

    But I should point out that the first time I heard someone say something like that was close to forty years ago.

    The NY Cosmos have just moved into the NASL (2nd tier pro soccer in the US). I am sure some knew that. They’ll have to have some promise in order to get that coveted 20th MLS team spot. I think Orlando City is the front-runner, but that’s my opinion. The MLS needs (and wants) to be in that Florida market — and even the southeastern market.

    I do think that the MLS will make great strides in 5-10 years. The biggest reason I think: we’ll finally have parents knowing the game and being able to teach it to their kids. The same can’t be said for the past 40 years. Soccer is finally nationwide, and even in small, rural areas. Just about every other popular sport has parents who “know” the sport (football, basketball, baseball).

    The other reason I think it’ll be more popular: soccer people will finally be in those “power” positions to make decisions, fund, etc. the sport they like. That’s the reason why basketball, baseball, and football have succeeded…they are financially supported by EVERYONE. Soccer will get more and more sponsors and television rights. Without that, it won’t grow. Soccer is on its way up, it takes time.



    In 1979, the NBA Finals were on tape delay. Look it up! It was TOO black and too DRUG INVESTED for a sponsor to touch it…. Look it up genius. The world is bigger than the NW Suburbs of Chicago, small minded one. Wake up Tim, hockey is as big as it ever will get because minorities can’t afford it and the South doesn’t care. You can only try to stick so many franchises in Canada. The NBA has peaked. Oklahoma City?Joke. Sacramento? Joke. So where is the growth sport in the US genius? SOCCER SOCCER SOCCER SOCCER SOCCER SOCCER SOCCER SOCCER SOCCER SOCCER SOCCER SOCCER SOCCER SOCCER SOCCER.

    Careful, Ed: MLS has one of its most established franchises in Columbus, which is no more cosmopolitan than Sacramento or Oklahoma City.

    The NBA thing was hardly a minorities and drugs issue. The NFL had as many black stars in 1979 as the NBA did, and so did college football, and they dominated television. The NFL had been rocked by a series of drug scandals in the 70s (notably involving the Chargers), and it didn’t make a dent in its popularity.

    The NBA was on tape delay because it marketed itself horribly, had placed several franchises in small-market cities, failed to create “personalities”, and had been dominated for nearly two decades by just two teams, the Celtics and whomever else was good that year, at first the Philadelphia Warriors, then the Lakers, and very occasionally, the Knicks. They were slow to embrace needed improvements, like the 3-point line. Several clubs were owned by incompetents, and teetered on bankruptcy.

    And you and I both know that MLS suffers from two potentially fatal problems: first, they have not been terribly successful at translating huge youth program participation into dedicated adult supporters (except for a few places, like Seattle); and second, in an increasingly polarized political climate, soccer is seen as an “immigrant” sport, not something “real Americans” give any attention. It’s a benighted view, but it is a problem.

    I really don’t know why I just spent 20 minutes writing a reasoned response to a guy who ended his last comment by typing “SOCCER” over and over again, but there it is…

    Unless a team skips town, they are usually going to keep a stadium or arena for 20-30 years before they think of a new one. As such, when the MLS went around getting soccer-specific stadiums built with capacities around 20,000 each, that tells me that the league doesn’t see a huge amount of growth during this generation. Don’t get me wrong; I’m not here to bury the league. Their per game attendance is impressive overall (higher than Brazil’s top pro league last season, I recall) and they have more stability than the old NASL. But until they are filling larger venues there is no chance they will anything but a minor league in the soccer world. As far as southest Florida, maybe the Miami Fusion shouldn’t have failed the first time. It’s such a fickle sports market.

    MLS is building a privately funded soccer-only stadium in Queens, at a cost of $300 million. They’ve wanted a second franchise in NYC for years. There’s going to be another team in greater NY before you see one in, say, St. Louis or Atlanta.

    I don’t think the Cosmos people have the money to buy in, though.

    The Giants ought to have an “English appreciation night” and take uniforms emblazoned with “SAINT FRANCIS”

    I don’t know if anyone has answered this yet, but why don’t the Patriots have the new Flywire collars on their jerseys???

    Maybe because they and a select few other teams actually stepped up and told Nike “don’t fuck with our product”.

    No one responded about the UCONN soccer tops yet…so I will.

    The women wearing their practice tops is a typical thing to do in college (and high school) exhibitions. As a college soccer coach, there’s no need to wear your game jerseys for an exhibition. You save them and wear your practice gear. If practice gear gets torn, so what…game gear is ready. The other thing could be, game jerseys aren’t in yet or are getting finalized at the printer. :)

    Heck, it also helps for anyone that may be scouting a game — you don’t have to worry about the opposition knowing who’s who with the numbers.

    The mention of the U.S. women’s soccer team today reminds me of how happy I am to see the success of American women in sports. Even though our country is not without its faults their medal count in the Olympics (as well as previous Olympics, World Cups, etc.) shows that one thing we’ve been doing right is being more acceptable of women playing sports. At least more acceptable than other industrialized countries. We could be better on gender issues, but I feel this shows that we’ve been heading in the right direction. The eye candy element doesn’t hurt either (come on, why else would I watch womens indoor volleyball more than mens?).

    RE: Milwaukee-Colorado wearing alternate jerseys

    I don’t mind it when both teams wear colored alternates in MLB, but there has to be some “fashion policing” because when two teams wearing dark colors play it could get confusing. Maybe they need to put in a rule that certain colors can not be on the field at the same time.

    *** Mystery Football Helmet***
    I don’t know if anyone answered the football helmet question yet – but it looks like the new Rawlings model – Steven Jackson for the Rams was the first to wear one last year

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