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The Good, the Bad and the Oddly (Volume 7): A Leo’s World Special

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Good Tuesday morning, Uni Watchers. I hope everyone had a good Monday.

ICYMI, I had two later articles yesterday you may have not seen: the Oregon Ducks unveiled their fifth and final “Generation O” uniform which they’ll debut against Michigan this Saturday, and the Tennessee Volunteers will wear their BFBS “Dark Mode” uniform against Kentucky on Saturday — a very good uniform for two days after Halloween.

Now then.

Longtime UW reader/contributor/author/stalwart Leo Strawn, Jr. returns today with the seventh part in a new series he’s calling “The Good, the Bad and the Oddly” focusing on, well, good, bad and odd baseball uniforms and caps he’s encountered over the years. I think you’ll all really enjoy this one! If you missed Volume 1, click here, Volume 2, click here Volume 3, click here, Volume 4, click here, Volume 5, click here, or Volume 6, click here.

Sit back and enjoy — here’s Leo:

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The Good, the Bad and the Oddly (Volume 7)
by Leo Strawn, Jr.

I’ve been cleaning out my sports photo files and have been running across some pics that I thought I’d share, along with a question or two for readers. I want to thank everyone who contributed answers and additional info in the comments of Volumes 1-6.

Since running GBO articles, we’ve been catching some errors, possible errors & omissions in the baseball database initially compiled by Marc Okkonen, now hosted and (minimally) updated annually by the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum. GBO v7 is a collection of what we’ve found thus far, so I figured this would be a good time to explain why I focus on Dressed to the Nines so much.

I also wanted to state that if someone asks me a question or makes a claim, I try to answer/verify. The sites I scour for verification have photos/videos, but that doesn’t mean they are 100% accurate. The biggest problem I have noticed in online media is lack of precision with regard to dates, requiring a bit of additional research.

If I’ve learned anything from trying to help the guys at Gridiron Uniform Database now and then, it’s that without photographic references, newspaper articles, etc., you’re simply taking someone’s word for it. Photos, videos and newspaper/magazine articles are important for verification because someone’s graphics or claims aren’t proof. It might be accurate or it might not, but, either way, it’s not proof.

It’s a shame there isn’t a comprehensive 20th century-thru-present day baseball site that is as thorough as GUD. They post photos and newspaper articles for evidence directly onto their site to show proof of what they say a team wore in a particular game. The depth of their research is nothing short of phenomenal. Anytime I ask them a question about a game, uniform or photo, I get several newspaper articles and photos from them in response.

The closest we have to a one-stop source for our summer pastime is Dressed to the Nines, which has been the go-to source for baseball uniform reference since it was first published in the 1990s as the book, “Baseball Uniforms of the 20th Century”, researched and written by Okkonen. That’s why I mention his database when I find something that isn’t in it or when it appears to be in error based on photos I run across; it’s the database for all NL, AL and FL teams from the start of the 20th century.

I am in awe of what Marc did in the days before the internet. His book was a monumental task and the overwhelming majority of what he published is spot on. It was a fairly large publication, even without compiling all of his references as proof. Today’s tech would have made it easier to research and to show verification via the sharing of pics and links, as GUD does. Still no small task, but easier than traveling city-to-city and then deciding what to pare down for a book, as Okkonen had to do.

Unfortunately, Marc didn’t show much photographic proof, so we are taking him at his word for most of his research. But I’m not trying to bash anyone’s research. The fact is that no one’s research is 100% correct regarding a huge amount of information. If it’s just a limited amount of general info, that may not be as much of an issue, but the larger, more precise and detailed the research is, the more those details will need to be refined. Ask the people who run GUD. It’s always a work-in-progress, even with mountains of photos and newspaper articles already collected.

Nevertheless, unless someone takes the bull by the horns and pores over every nook and cranny of the internet like the researchers at GUD have done for gridiron, Dressed to the Nines is the best overall source for baseball uniform data. It’s no surprise that no one in the internet era has tried to dig that deep into a sport with Spring Training games, (currently) 162 games per regular season, plus playoffs and over 12 decades of history since the beginning of the 20th century. Yes, there are team-specific sites, but the HOF site is the most comprehensive we have and that’s why I link to it as often as I do.

(Just throwing this out there: If there was a way to find 30 individuals/groups, one for each of the other current teams and one for all the defunct clubs, to dig deep and put individual sites up, complete with photos and references like the St. Louis crew did for the Cardinals, and then combine them all into one site…mission accomplished!)

All that being said, GBO was initially intended as a way to share some rare/odd pics I have collected, but it has also become a means to add info to that online baseball database as we discover something, and this is what we have stumbled across, to date…

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Additions to Dressed to the Nines database:

1906 Chicago Cubs wore white undershirts at home at least in one World Series game.

1911 New York Giants World Series uniforms appear to have also featured black socks with two white stripes that Okkonen doesn’t show until 1912, paired with different uniforms.

1926 St. Louis Cardinals also had special uniforms (which I erroneously posted as a 1929 jersey) for the ’26 World Series.

1941-42 Chicago Cubs (only shown in that graphic with long sleeves under home vests and short sleeves under white-lettered road vests) apparently wore both long and short sleeve “shoulder pad” undershirts with home vests in both of those seasons. In 1942, they evidently also wore plain blue undershirts with long sleeves under road vests.

1945 Brooklyn Dodgers had a dark blue satin night game jersey.

1961 Los Angeles Angels had an early season halo-less cap, worn at least for their first ever regular season game, 04.11.61 at Baltimore.

1967-69 Detroit Tigers had sleeve numbers appearing on either the left or right sleeve, and possibly some jerseys without sleeve numbers (commented on as being from the 1960s on the right sleeve, but not shown in graphics, in Okkonen’s book).

1967 Kansas City Athletics players wore a white cap in at least one game at home and at least one road game.

• Circa 1975-77 Cleveland Indians wore a blue cap/blue jersey/red pants combo. Note: Not certain of which season(s), yet.

1976 Chicago White Sox also wore shorts (commented on in the book but not shown in graphics, though Marc does include a photo).

1976 St. Louis Cardinals pillbox cap was worn in at least one home game with white jersey/pants.

1977 Pittsburgh Pirates wore white pinstripe jersey/yellow pants combo in at least one game. [Editor’s note: at least 19 in ’77, and 15 in ’78. They also wore the black jersey with the gold pants and both the black and gold jerseys with the white pants, but Okkonen only had room for five combinations.]

1978 San Diego Padres wore a brown jersey/yellow pants combo.

1979 Pittsburgh Pirates wore their yellow pillbox cap with black jersey/yellow pants combo at least in World Series game one, 10.01.79 at Baltimore & game five, 10.14.79 at Pittsburgh. [Editor’s note: They wore that combination at least 40 times during the regular season and once during the NLCS in addition to the two World Series games. Okkonen mistakenly included the white over black combo, which they stopped wearing after 1978, instead of the black over gold.]

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Errors in database:

1901 Milwaukee Brewers pillbox caps had “M” on the bill. Also, the stripes on the caps are wrong in the database.

1905 New York Giants World Series pillbox cap appears to have stripes.

1915-16 New York Yankees home jersey and cap pinstripes are alternating red and blue.

1932-33 Chicago Cubs home alts should have yellow and black lettering on the jersey rather than white inside of black lettering outlined in yellow.

1975 Houston Astros star on jersey was outlined in red.

1979 Philadelphia Phillies red jersey is zippered, not buttoned.

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Possible errors in database that need game photo/description verification:

1903 New York Highlanders may have also worn white caps with blue bills while sporting mono blue road uniforms.

1934 Chicago Cubs home jersey could have a gold, brown or an orange bear outlined in blue rather than red/blue. This could also be the case with the “C” surrounding the bear, as the interior of the “C” and the bear in a black & white photograph are similar in value.

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Unanswered questions needing verification:

1962 New York Mets possible prototype jersey with thinner lettering and “Y” that was not on placket as it was on 1962 uniforms was depicted in this ad. Note: This may require a Mets historian to pore through 1962 newspaper articles and game videos to determine if these were worn or not.

1967 Kansas City Athletics may have had sea-mist uniforms. They also possibly wore yellow undershirtsNote: This may require an Athletics historian to pore through 1967 newspaper articles and game videos to determine if these were worn or not.

1987-88 Oakland A’s white home pullover jersey and green road pullover jersey shown in the database have not been verified by any photos. Note: This may require an A’s historian to pore through 1987-88 newspaper articles and game videos to determine if these were worn or not.

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That’s all for now. If you can help with verification on unanswered questions, please share!

I still have plenty of good, bad and odd baseball photos to share and will most likely do some stand-alone articles (one on Crosley Field and a compilation of manager-and-coach-specific caps/odd batting helmets, at least), but I will pause on those until spring. I’ll keep the name, The Good, the Bad and the Oddly for baseball and it will return next year.

I have photos from other sports that I’m currently sifting through and I’ll share some of those over the fall/winter and come up with a different title. I’m taking a week or two off, but I’ll return soon.

Until next time…

Cheers!

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Thanks, Leo! Another fantastic piece. And this has been a fantastic series (sad to see it temporarily on hiatus, but with the change of seasons, comes a change in sports seasons as well). Very much looking forward to your next projects!

Readers? What say you?

 

 
  
 

MLB Playoff Jersey Tracking

MLB Playoff Uni Tracking

Longtime readers know our longtime MLB Playoff jersey tracker Alex Rocklein has been covering all the jerseys worn by each and every Major League Baseball playoff team/game for the past several seasons, and I’m pleased to announce Alex is again returning for the 2024 MLB Playoffs. With the expansion of the Wild Card (to six teams — three in each league) in 2022, his graphics have gotten more complicated, but they’re still great. I recently did a Q & A with Alex and his Playoff Tracker.

It’s been a great looking series for both teams, and last night we got to see the pinstripes in the WS for the first time since 2009. LA once again wore their “Dodgers” script roadies, as they’ve done for every road playoff game this year. (There was some discussion in yesterday’s comments about whether the team still wears the “Los Angeles” script — they do, but their “primary” road jersey has “Dodgers”.) Both teams will wear the same uniforms tonight, for what could be the final game of the 2024 season.

Each weekday from now until the end of the 2024 World Series, I’ll have an updated tracker.

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Thanks Alex!

 

 

Guess the Game from the Scoreboard

Guess The Game…

…From The Scoreboard

Today’s scoreboard comes from Steve Dodell.

The premise of the game (GTGFTS) is simple: I’ll post a scoreboard and you guys simply identify the game depicted. In the past, I don’t know if I’ve ever completely stumped you (some are easier than others).

Here’s the Scoreboard. In the comments below, try to identify the game (date and location, as well as final score). If anything noteworthy occurred during the game, please add that in (and if you were AT the game, well bonus points for you!):

Please continue sending these in! You’re welcome to send me any scoreboard photos (with answers please), and I’ll keep running them.

 

 

Guess the Game from the Uniform


Based on the suggestion of long-time reader/contributor Jimmy Corcoran, we’ve introduced a new “game” on Uni Watch, which is similar to the popular “Guess the Game from the Scoreboard” (GTGFTS), only this one asked readers to identify the game based on the uniforms worn by teams.

Like GTGFTS, readers will be asked to guess the date, location and final score of the game from the clues provided in the photo. Sometimes the game should be somewhat easy to ascertain, while in other instances, it might be quite difficult. There will usually be a visual clue (something odd or unique to one or both of the uniforms) that will make a positive identification of one and only one game possible. Other times, there may be something significant about the game in question, like the last time a particular uniform was ever worn (one of Jimmy’s original suggestions). It’s up to YOU to figure out the game and date.

Today’s GTGFTU comes from Brayton Durfee.

Good luck and please post your guess/answer in the comments below.

 

 

And finally...

…that’s going to do it for the morning lede. Major plus-plus thanks to Leo Strawn for sharing with us his incredible research (and photo library) that comprised “The Good, The Bad, and the Oddly” for 2024. Looking forward to Leo’s next project! Great stuff. Please give Leo a nice “THANKS” down below in the comments!

I try to have a couple more articles today, but we’ll definitely have the popular Mike Chamernik’s “Question of the Week,” so be sure to check back!

Everyone have a good Tuesday and I’ll catch you right back here in the morning.

Peace,

PH

Comments (17)

    GTGFTS
    14 April 1973
    Opening Day at Parc Jarry in front of 21,198
    Ron Fairly grounds out to end the bottom of the first, but the Expos score 5 in the 8th to beat the Pirates 6-4.

    Leo, I have a similar sentiment about Dressed to the Nines. When we were in Cooperstown doing research for our Cardinals book (which was published about 6 years before our website link), we asked them if we could get our drawings, models, and research added to the Dressed to the Nines database, because ours is objectively more accurate and more comprehensive than Okkonen’s research. No offense to Okkonen, we used his research as a guide when we started, but we found a lot of issues. Cooperstown told us in so few words, “well you don’t cite sources so we won’t even entertain it.” Which is kind of ridiculous considering Okkonen and the BBHoF database has never cited sources on their database, whether it be photographs or newspaper accounts. I’ve even asked for clarifications and sources on a couple topics with no concrete proof provided… If anyone wants to put me on a nice salary with benefits, I’d do full time work to compile similar websites to my Cardinals website for every team, including defunct teams (and teams that have moved).

    Coopertown wants to be THE authority on baseball history. A lot of musea have the same attitude, unfortunately: not sharing what should be public knowledge and not acknowledging anything coming from outside the institution. We are the experts and you are not. Really unfortunate because there is a common goal: to gather and present as much reliable information about a subject as possible.

    Is there a French major out there who can explain some of the position abbreviations? Also, if it’s opening day then CS cannot be home runs, and what is MOY an acronym of (clearly it’s batting averages, but how is that said in French)?

    Not a French major, but:

    CS — Coupe sur, or base hits.

    AC — Arret-court, or shortstop

    CG, CC, CD — Champs-Gauche, Champs-Centre, Champs-Droit, or left-, center-, and right-field.

    L — Lanceur, or pitcher

    R — Recepteur, or catcher

    MOY — short for moyenne a la batte.

    I should have said “home opener” instead of Opening Day above. The Expos started the season going 1-2 in Chicago, then split a 2 game series in Philadelphia before welcoming the Pirates in. The game in question was the Pirates’ first loss of 1973, having swept the Cardinals and Cubs in the first 4 games of the season.

    GTGFTU:
    December 12, 1976
    Tampa Stadium
    Patriots 31, Buccaneers 14

    Expansion Buccaneers finish 0-14; first (and only) NFL team to go winless in a 14-game schedule. Last game in the original white jerseys with orange numerals outlined in red.

    It was also the only time the two teams played with New England having sleeve stripes instead of UCLA loops. The next time these two teams played, due to the irregular interconference scheduling at the time, was the 1985 season, by which time the Pats had returned to the shoulder loops. And the outcome of that game was very similar, with New England winning 32-14.

    I know Getty isn’t always perfect, but from game and team photos from when Eckersley played for Cleveland, he was clean shaven in 1975. It gets a little hazy on whether he had grown it during the 1976 season, but he had it by the start of the 1977 season. (Game photos from his no hitter on 5/30/1977 show the mustache.)

    Thanks for that info. Didn’t even think about his appearance in that pic. Will look into it.

    Cheers!

    I wasn’t able to do a game by search but the site mlbcollectors.com shows a game used 1967 tagged green mist jersey. The 1967 is paler/less green/more grey than the 1966 or 1965 uniforms. Of course that could be due to laundering or storage. The white and green mist uniforms were made by McAuliffe and the gold uniforms were made by Wilson.

    Leo, thanks for your wonderful articles, looking forward to read any new ones in the future!

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