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The Good, the Bad and the Oddly (Volume 3): A Leo’s World Special

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Good Tuesday morning, Uni Watchers. I hope everyone had a good Monday.

Longtime UW reader/contributor/author/stalwart Leo Strawn, Jr. is back today with the third part in a new series he’s calling “The Good, the Bad and the Oddly” focusing on, well, good, bad and odd baseball uniforms and caps he’s encountered over the years. I think you’ll all really enjoy this one! If you missed Volume 1, click here, or if you missed Volume 2, click here.

Sit back and enjoy — here’s Leo:

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The Good, the Bad and the Oddly (Volume 3)
by Leo Strawn, Jr.

I’m Leo…welcome to my world!

I’ve been cleaning out my sports photo files and have been running across some pics that I thought I’d share, along with a question or two for readers. I want to thank everyone who contributed answers and additional info in the comments of Volumes 1 & 2. Keep it coming!

In the comments of the previous volume, Dom Marino pointed out Okkonen’s 1987-88 A’s graphics show white and green pullovers and stated, “There is absolutely no record, no photo, or mention these jerseys ever existed, Even in MLB Collectors thats a definitive uniform website, they even question their existance.” (I’m familiar with that site and check references all the time on it. If you’ve never visited, it’s a great resource for uniforms.) I looked online, including Getty, but didn’t see any white or green pullovers from those two seasons. It wouldn’t be impossible to prove this, but it may require locating and going through game photos from newspapers of every A’s contest for both seasons, so unless someone is up to that task, all I can do is ask if any readers have any proof of their existence. If so, let us know.

Still on the subject of the Athletics, Michael Emody linked to this KC team photo from 1967 (1968 Oakland Topps card) and pointed out the yellow undershirts, stating, “As a kid I saw them in Chicago wearing the “sea-mist” light green vests with yellow sleeves.”

I had never heard of “sea-mist” vests and I’ve never seen the KC A’s with yellow undershirts. They certainly don’t show up in Okkonen’s database for Kansas City, unless these are “sea-mist” and not gray. No yellow undershirts with them, though. I did however, find this SI cover of Jim Nash from March 13, 1967, on which the uniform on the right does seem to me to have a sea foam green hue, but that may just be from the lighting or the printing process. Anyone have any photos or info regarding yellow undershirts and/or “sea-mist” Kansas City uniforms?

Patrick Manion and Derek Jackson noted that Okkonen does comment on Detroit’s sleeve numbers and A’s white hats in his book. I’ve gotten so used to just going to the website for reference that I rarely pick the book up. Here’s what Marc has to say in his publication with regard to the white caps, “Charley O. elected to distinguish his manager and coaches from the troops by assigning them white cap crowns.” I’ve been digging into this, but I’ll save what I’ve found for a spring edition.

Regarding Detroit’s sleeve numbers, he stated, “A minor novel feature of the new ’60’s road uniforms was the inclusion of the uniform number on the right sleeve.”

From what I’ve been able to determine on this, the numbered sleeves appear to be on 1960-71 road jerseys. In 1972, they changed their road look when they quit wearing flannel buttoned jerseys. 1959 was the last regular season for road script lettering they had been using.

Most of the Topps cards below are of Norm Cash (as is the 1964 coin and photo used for it), though I had to use other players in years when Norm wore a home jersey on his card. One from each year, 1961-72 Topps, most likely showing all of the 1960-71 road jerseys.

The photo of Detroit playing at KC in 1967 showed Tigers, some with numbers on the left sleeve and some on the right, and possibly, some with no sleeve numbers at all as seen on the jersey in the pic below.

I have been able to nail down that 1967 was not the only season this randomness occurred. These pics show Mickey Lolich and Bill Freehan celebrating their 1968 World Series victory, with Lolich’s number on his right sleeve and Freehan’s on his left, Al Kaline in his 1969 uniform, with the MLB centennial patch on the right sleeve and number on the left, and Don Wert’s 1970 Topps card in his 1969 uni, showing just the opposite.

So, we can say that at least for the 1967-69 seasons, Detroit’s road jerseys had numbers on either sleeve, and possibly some on neither.

Now, on to Volume 3…in living color!

Black & white photography sometimes just isn’t enough for accurate research, e.g., 1915 Yankees. As mentioned above, I refer to the MLB Collectors site quite a bit. Had it not been for them, I would not have known that the Yanks had red and blue pinstriped caps and jerseys for 1915 and some 1916 home games. It appears the “NY” is faded on those jerseys (one in link, one below) as compared to the cap logo on the link. Was it a grape color or black on the jersey logo that has faded…thoughts?

It looks to me as though this next photo could be another example of that tendency for dyes from that era to fade, seen by comparing the logo on players’ jerseys in this black & white photo from the 1915 season.

This 1912 cap appears to have some fading in the threads. Where the lighting hits the upper right stem of the “Y”, sometimes it’s that washed-out purplish hue, sometimes it’s navy.

For caps and jerseys from decades and decades ago, that’s not surprising. Dyes weren’t as colorfast and certainly more so in some colors than others, also leading to instances of bleeding in the wash. I’m not sure washing instructions on labels was even a thing back then. The blue on this circa 1905-06 Pirates jacket is an unfortunate example.

This 1929 Cards road jersey is another unfortunate victim.

I had never given laundry in baseball’s early days much thought prior to reading about it in The Summer of Beer and Whiskey, which is a great book about the American Association. I couldn’t find the passage I was looking for, but while flipping through it, I did find this passage that noted “the players…were lax about keeping their uniforms clean…”

I recall reading a passage in that book that would explain why road uniforms were traditionally gray. There were no laundromats back then and paying someone in each city to hand-wash uniforms would have been expensive for the players, so on road trips there was a frugal tendency to wear the same uniform, unwashed, game-after-game until returning home. No doubt gray hid stains and dirt better than unwashed whites would have. Wikipedia has a statement that says, “Aside from the obvious need to distinguish one team from the other, conventional wisdom held that it was more difficult to properly launder uniforms while on a road trip, thus the “road grays” helped to hide accumulated soil.”

Even after the turn of the century, electric washing machines were still a novelty, which may have contributed to some of the bleeding on the jerseys above.

It took improvements in colorfast dyes, washing instructions/methods and an eccentric baseball club owner to bring bright colors into baseball for good. “Old Charlie stole the handle and the train won’t stop going, no way to slow down…

I can’t really say, “If not for Mr. Finley, we wouldn’t have had…”, because there were monochromatic uniforms along the way. Yet, aside from home whites and road grays, those were always dark, at least in the 20th century, as this article from the Attica Daily Ledger pointed out in 1909.

Also, the Cubs unveiled a light blue monochrome vest/pants combo in the 1941-42 seasons and Brooklyn wore monochrome blue satin under the lights in 1944.

Which brings me to this question: Does anyone have any additional info about this dark blue satin Brooklyn jersey? It was authenticated and sold by Leland’s as a 1945 Dodgers game-worn satin jersey, but there’s no record of it in Okkonen’s research.

Back on topic, the Reds beat Charlie to the punch in one sense when they broke out these bright red pants in 1936 (seen here in 2019 as a throwback).

Everything in fashion, even in sports, ebbs and flows, but it was Charlie O who certainly got the ball rolling in bright, living color, within the realm of baseball. Yet, even after Kansas City debuted their monochrome vest/pants combo in 1963, it would take nearly a decade for other clubs to jump in. In 1971, Baltimore wore this bright orange uni, which they also wore the following season. I doubt we will ever see four 20-game winners on the same club, in the same season, ever again, but even if that does happen, I seriously doubt they’ll be wearing anything as bright as this.

Oddly, the A’s dialed it back a bit in 1972, while the Padres jumped on board, and, like the O’s before them, kept this look for the next year.

Not to be outdone, Oakland brought this green monochromatic uniform to the table in 1973, while also going back to mono-yellow for 1973-74, before jumping off the mono bandwagon again in 1975.

In spite of Oakland’s abandonment of colored pants again, 1975-77 saw Cleveland complete what the Reds had flirted with in 1936 by pairing their red pants with red jerseys.

1975 was also the debut of one of the most iconic jerseys in history. Okkonen has the star incorrectly outlined in white, though.

1976 saw the return of the dark monochromatic uniform.

In 1977, Pittsburgh entered the chat with mono-gold and mono-black as part of their mix-and-match set, each paired with the opposite color cap.

They sported black-over-gold twice in the 1979 WS, in games one and five. Okkonen’s database doesn’t have room for all nine possible combinations, although by 1979, they only wore the white shirts with white pants. (As many readers know, all of this information is available on the BucTracker site.) They also had a team photo taken in the black-over-gold combo that Okkonen didn’t include.

1978 was the year SD returned to a monochromatic yellow look, this time with brown sleeves. The brown-over-yellow Padres combo in the third photo doesn’t show up in Okkonen’s database.

The following season, 1979, was the year the Phils entered the fray.

While I loved all these uniforms, it should be noted that mono combos were not slimming.

In 1985, the Pirates abandoned their colored mono look, but Charlie had indeed stolen the handle and the fabric of the 1970s didn’t slow the train down. Bright colored jerseys, occasionally paired with contrasting colored pants or with pants of the same color, have remained an on-again/off-again part of baseball fashion, whether you consider them good (as I do), bad or just odd.

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If you have photos or any kind of information regarding the 1945 Dodgers dark blue satin jerseys or the 1967 KC A’s “sea-mist” light green vests/pants or yellow undershirts, info on games from 1978 when the Padres wore brown-over-yellow or additional pics or info/photos of the 1987-88 A’s wearing white or green pullover jerseys, please share.

Also, any additional color photos of the 1915-16 Yankees blue and red pinstripes anyone has and could share would be awesome!

I’m also looking for black & white photos of the 1936 Reds Palm Beach uniforms (original uniforms, not 2019 throwbacks).

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Until next time…

Cheers!

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Thanks, Leo! Another fantastic piece.

Readers? What say you?

 

 
  
 

RIP Pete Rose

By now you’ve probably heard the news that Pete Rose passed away yesterday at the age of 83.

Today’s Guest Author, Leo Strawn, was going through his files, and he found some rare, vintage images of the Hit King.

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Sad Day
by Leo Strawn, Jr.

Breaking records in heaven now.

A few rare pics for you…

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1960 with his dad.

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1961 with the Tampa Tarpons of the Florida State League, wearing #11.

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1961 spring training in 1960 Reds gear, wearing #11.

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1963 ROY wire story, wearing #27.

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Thanks, Leo.

 

Guess the Game from the Scoreboard

Guess The Game…

…From The Scoreboard

Today’s scoreboard comes from Steven Hudson.

The premise of the game (GTGFTS) is simple: I’ll post a scoreboard and you guys simply identify the game depicted. In the past, I don’t know if I’ve ever completely stumped you (some are easier than others).

Here’s the Scoreboard. In the comments below, try to identify the game (date and location, as well as final score). If anything noteworthy occurred during the game, please add that in (and if you were AT the game, well bonus points for you!):

Please continue sending these in! You’re welcome to send me any scoreboard photos (with answers please), and I’ll keep running them.

 

 

Guess the Game from the Uniform


Based on the suggestion of long-time reader/contributor Jimmy Corcoran, we’ve introduced a new “game” on Uni Watch, which is similar to the popular “Guess the Game from the Scoreboard” (GTGFTS), only this one asked readers to identify the game based on the uniforms worn by teams.

Like GTGFTS, readers will be asked to guess the date, location and final score of the game from the clues provided in the photo. Sometimes the game should be somewhat easy to ascertain, while in other instances, it might be quite difficult. There will usually be a visual clue (something odd or unique to one or both of the uniforms) that will make a positive identification of one and only one game possible. Other times, there may be something significant about the game in question, like the last time a particular uniform was ever worn (one of Jimmy’s original suggestions). It’s up to YOU to figure out the game and date.

Today’s GTGFTU comes from Larry Radcliffe.

Good luck and please post your guess/answer in the comments below.

 

 

And finally...

…that’ll do it for the early lede. Big thanks, once again, to Leo for another great Good, Bad and Oddly! Fun stuff, buddy.

I will be busy for most of the morning, but I should still have at least two or three more posts to follow, and obviously, if there’s any breaking uni news, I’ll have that as soon as possible.

Everyone have a good Tuesday, and I’ll catch you right back here on the morrow.

Peace,

PH

Comments (43)

    Oops. Linked to the wrong Tull song. Sorry. Having Phil change it for me. Should be Locomotive Breath.

    Some odd looks for sure. But at least those uniforms fit properly (no heinous pajama pants) and all players wore matching cleats. Plus no ad patches or maker’s marks. And let’s not forget those stirrups. Give me the 60’s and 70’s any day over the mismatched, ill-fitting garbage we see today.

    Good morning. GTGFTS is the Nov. 20, 1993 game at Notre Dame. David Gordon hit a 41 yard field goal at the gun to give the unranked BC Eagles the win over the #1 Irish, a week after ND had defeated #1 Florida State in “The Game Of The Century”. Florida State ended up winning the national championship anyway, thanks to this upset.

    Yep, the great ND choke game the following week in 93 after betting No 1
    Florida State.

    Boy, the 70’s/80’s were a bad time period for uniforms, fashion and automobiles LOL

    With regard to Vida in the ’75 ASG: I know it’s down to the quality of the available video of the original broadcast, but Mr. Blue looks like he’s glowing on the mound.

    Thanks for the follow up Leo on those 87-88 A’s pullovers. Realistically it almost seems like you would have to ask the players themselves if they wore anything like that. I caught in the new Pirates 1977 uni’s shot Chuck Tanner wearing a no stripes pillbox hat from 1976. I am almost positive I’ve seen those before. Leo those non stripe pill box hats prototypes or just possible spring training hats from 1976?
    Thanks again for your great work !

    RIP the great Pete Rose

    If there is an A’s equivalent to the BucTracker website, that would be a quick way to prove one way or the other whether they wore those pullovers in 1987-88, but I’m not aware of any A’s sites like that. I would imagine there’s an Oakland fan somewhere who has that game-by-game info, though.

    That Bucs photo was from the Pittsburgh Press on April 3, 1977 (they opened the season on the 7th). I have pics of them wearing the stripeless pillbox in spring training of 1976, but no spring training photos from ’77. Since this was a 1977 uniform unveiling of sorts, they may have worn the 1976 spring training unis in the spring of 1977, too. That would explain why Tanner is wearing that cap, but I’m not certain, just a guess.

    Actually Tanner is wearing the entire 1976 uniform, but I didn’t remember them having pillbox caps without the pinstripes.

    They wore them in spring training 1976, for certain. I’ll post pics next time.

    I’m guessing they may have worn them in spring of 1977, also, which would explain why Tanner is wearing that cap.

    appreciate the insight on detroit sleeve uniforms, was always curious. also that nd scoreboard is gorgeous.

    GTGFTU: October 11, 2020, Vikings (26) at Seahawks (27), CenturyLink Stadium, Seattle, Washington

    Seahawks wore that neon green over blue combo 3 times from 2020 to 2022, but only once against the Vikings, who you can see in the background

    um…. I hate to look like a correcting teacher but it can’t be 2020 because there are people in the stands!

    Same Teams, same stadium, but it was December 2, 2019 Home team won 37-30. David Moore had just caught a 60 yard TD Pass

    The Tigers road sleeve numbers is an issue of two different manufacturers. The ones with the numbers on the right sleeve are made by Rawlings, the ones with numbers on the left sleeve are MacGregor. They possibly had the MacGregors first and placed a later order for the Rawlings ones. Either way, they ended up using both at the same time. Remember, it was a lot different back then. Someone asked this of Denny McLain a while back, he had no idea but I told him of the two different manufacturers and the equipment guys mixing them in. Denny’s response… “Sounds about right, God, our clubhouse guys were serious drunks”.

    If anyone would know (about being drunks), it’s McLain; his personal behavior opened the doors to push him right out of the league.

    Also- Leo mentioned some of the Yankee garments in “a grape colour”. That’s because navy fades to purple. Black fades to brown similarly.

    Thanks for that info on the Tigers.

    Re Yankees: That was supposed to say ‘grape, navy or black’. Not the first omission I’ve made, lol. Good catch. Hard to catch every typo when you edit your own writing. Thanks for pointing that out. : )

    The 1912 cap is a good example of navy fading to purplish hues.

    I am assuming some mention of the Lions’ black set is coming (did I miss it?). I was surprised by two things. First, the blue looked much darker on TV/in the dome than the prior pictures. In fact, to my eyes it’s too dark on the field, and there’s a reflective quality off the helmets that makes the blue pop less, at least to me. Two, I found it hard to read the numbers. All in all, the contrast between the blue and black I was liking in the photos introducing the uni was gone on the field. Perhaps a day game with natural light would be better.

    Also/also, and as many will likely point out, the blue pants would greatly improve the look, and I feel even more strongly about it seeing the set live with the all black crap.

    I am assuming some mention of the Lions’ black set is coming (did I miss it?).

    Were you expecting me to do a game review? I hadn’t planned on it but I could…

    Oh, I just figured you would since it was our first in-game look, and there are often different opinions once we see new unis live. Obviously, do whatever you wish. Not asking you to do more work than you intended.

    The difference between all those colorful oddities of the’ ’60s and ’70s and today’s uni-nonsense is that those were not some league/manufacturer-mandated program, but the whims and guesses of individual teams. Also, since color television was exploding during that time, MLB picked up on the possibility of an explosion of color and swung for the fences. Even the ones that were a bit over the top remain a charming experiment worth remembering.

    Great photos from the Pullover Era. After experimenting with white outlines of the gold graphics on their solid blacks, the Bucs opted for solid gold lettering. I guess they found it easier to read.

    The Phils Mono-Maroons stick out as more ugly than the rest to me. The rest I kinda like in a “so bad it’s good” way.

    They stuck out that way to the players, also. They wore them only one night and were then fired into the sun until a throwback night a few years ago.

    Re: 1915-16 Yankee pinstripes.

    I have seen one picture which seems to show that the pattern of the stripe is red-blue-red-green-red-blue-red-green. I’m confused.

    That being said, I wouldn’t mind this jersey being the Yankees’ City Connect.

    That sounds familiar. I know I’ve seen a graphic of that very thing. Could be a different season or could be some misinformation. I’ll look into it and see what I can find, thanks!

    Yankees in full Technicolor would be really fun, and respectful enough they wouldn’t down their nose at it hopefully.

    Checking out the 1979 Saturday night special all Maroon Phillies unis. Can any one tell me why the two letter P are different. The cap matches the jacket which does not match the jersey. I know the more recent reincarnation that it is the same way that the cap does not match the jersey, see the flair on cap but not the jersey. Was that supposed to be that way in 1979 or was it a mistake in fabrication in 1979. I can only assume the new unis matched 1979 on purpose.
    Anyone, please help as this has been on my mind for a few years now.

    Wasn’t there some rule at the time stating the representations of baseballs could not appear on the uniform?

    Yes…Rule 3.03 said no likeness of baseball may appear on uniform. Maybe someone figured it could be mistaken for a real ball in play. Oh yeah..and that rule once said no advertising on uniform. Great job Leo on this piece! I enjoy every bit of info you put in the article!

    Nice to be mentioned in a Uni-Watch article. Thanks, Leo!

    “Sea-mist” is referring to the A’s grey flannel vests. William Henderson mentions their official name as “Seafoam Green” on the 1970-71 A’s Road Gray Vest page in his “MLB Game Worn Guide.” I knew they were called “sea-” something and went for mist instead of foam. It’s an honest mistake! (Hehe!) Anyway, they were the gray road flannels – except back in the 60s, flannel manufacturers offered variations on the standard gray. The A’s gray flannel had a distinct green tint to them from 64 to 71. The Padres were another example, wearing a brown-tinted flannel.

    The yellow sleeves must have been rarely worn, but they really brought out the green tint in the vests. They were so rare that I started to doubt myself until I discovered the team pic in yellow sleeves. So far it’s the only photo I’ve found of the yellow undershirts. The game I attended with my dad was a night game at Comiskey Park, late 60s. Well, between 64 and 68, given that the Sox-provided visitors batboys were wearing powder blue Chicago road uniforms.

    No worries, sea-mist and sea-foam are the same thing as far as I’m concerned. I use the term sea-foam because there was a pencil or paint I used with that color name. Still, I’d never heard of those vests described as a color. I always thought they were just gray.

    “The A’s gray flannel had a distinct green tint to them from 64 to 71. The Padres were another example, wearing a brown-tinted flannel.”

    So, I’m not imagining that SI cover with Jim Nash has a green tint to the uni on the right.

    Oakland did wear yellow undershirts with green jerseys, so it wouldn’t surprise me if KC did with a light green-tinted vest.

    Will dig into this over the winter when I have time and see if I can come up with anything else.

    Cheers!

    the 1929 Cardinals road jersey shown above is a 1926 World Series road jersey, the link is correctly linked to the 1929 road. The photo of the actual jersey can be found here: link

    Thanks for that. Good catch.

    Pretty sure I got it from UW years ago and it was listed as 1929, but the photos from that article don’t show on my monitor so not 100% sure.

    link

    Will update the info on the next edition.

    Cheers!

    Hey Leo,
    That dark blue satin Brooklyn jersey is shown on MLB Collectors website with the following text:

    1945 home jerseys are zippered, road buttoned. A dark blue satin alternate road jersey replaces the powder blue satin jersey.

    Had never seen any reference for that jersey aside from the Leland’s auction. I should’ve known MLB Collectors would have it.

    Thanks.

    Cheers!

    On the topic of Pete Rose, the SABR baseball card blog has a look at his hairstyles through the years which might be of interest.

    link

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