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EXCLUSIVE: Collector Snags Grey Pats Prototype Pants

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Back in April, nine days after the Patriots unveiled their new uniform set, I broke the exclusive news that they had considered adding silver/grey pants as an option to be worn with the blue home jersey (instead of wearing blue pants to go mono-blue). The pants were shown on a Nike mock-up sheet dated October 2019, and then they apparently scrapped the idea for those pants by the time of the April unveiling.

It turns out that they manufactured at least one pair of prototype grey pants (shown above). That pair is now in the possession of Dylan Boulanger, a 22-year-old collector who specializes in game-used and team-issued Pats gear. He posted a photo of the pants in a private Facebook group for Pats collectors, where Uni Watch reader Elijah Betancourt saw the photo and let me know about it. I then got in touch with Dylan to learn more about the pants and how he acquired them. Here’s an edited transcript of a phone conversation we had last Thursday:

Uni Watch: How do you usually acquire the items that come into your collection?

Dylan Boulanger: Lots of different ways. It could be directly through the player; it could be through eBay; it could be directly from the Patriots, through the auctions that they host; and through other collectors and stuff like that.

UW: These grey pants, they aren’t game-used, of course, because they’ve never been worn in the game — they’re prototypes. How did you acquire those?

DB: I have a source who does giveaways for authentic NFL uniforms with a couple Instagram pages, and he gets a bunch of extras from Nike. And so he will give me first dibs on those. I had requested the Patriots’ 2020 uniforms from him, like I do anytime they change their uniform. And he texted me…

UW: I’m sorry to interrupt, but I just want to make sure I understand this properly. You have a source who has basically some connection at Nike where Nike provides him with things, and then he auctions them off or raffles them off or something like that, and you’ve developed a relationship with him where you get first dibs on certain things..?

DB: Yeah, so he has to give away a certain amount. And then anything extra, he’s allowed to keep, and he can sell. So he sold me these. And he apparently he told me that the way he gets them is, as soon as new uniforms are released, he gets, like, an auto-order. He doesn’t have to really do anything and they just ship him this stuff. And he just got these in last week.

UW: So he has like a standing order for a certain amount of anything new? And it just comes in and then he has to give some away and he’s allowed to do what he wants with the rest?

DB: Exactly.

UW: I understand you don’t want to name him, but is he a retailer? Like, does he run a sportswear shop..?

DB: No. It’s kind of hard to explain. He’s on Instagram. So, I mean, he’s out there, but he doesn’t really advertise. He helps out a couple of the bigger uniform Instagram pages, like Uniswag.

UW: So he’s like an “influencer” or something like that.

DB: Yeah.

UW: And so he made them available to you. How much did you pay for them?

DB: I paid $1100 for the jersey and the pants, together.

UW: In your Facebook post, you said that when you opened the package, you thought you were getting a pair of the grey pants from the old uniform set and didn’t even realize you were getting the new one.

DB: Correct.

UW: But hadn’t your source shown you a photo, so you knew what you were getting?

DB: It was a picture just from the front, so it didn’t really show the striping on the sides. I just saw, you know, grey pants with flashes of red and I was like, “Oh, those are the 2017 to 2019 version of our grey pants.”

UW: Did you not already have a set of those?

DB: I had the 2012 to 2016 model, which is the non-Vapor stuff, but not the 2017 to 2019. Believe it or not, Patriots pants do not pop up much [on the collectors’ market].

UW: And I guess you still don’t have the 2017 model, right? Because it turns out that you bought this prototype model instead, without realizing it!

DB: Yeah, that’s still a gap in my collection.

UW: So once you realized that these weren’t the old pants, did you check back with your source and say, “Hey, what is this?” Or did you just sort of figure that it was a prototype?

DB: I just kind of just figured it was a prototype and then I messaged another source and said, “Hey, I got these pants, and I think this is what’s up with them.” And he’s like, “Hey, I think I saw those before in one of my PDF templates.” And he found a PDF from last October that showed the grey pants.

UW: Did you realize that I had written about the grey pants option back in the spring?

DB: No. I do read Uni Watch, but I must have missed it that day, because I hadn’t seen that article until you sent me the link today, when you got in touch with me. But the PDF that my other source found is the exact same document that you ran in that blog post. [We later confirmed that Dylan’s source and my source for that PDF are not the same person. — PL]

UW: Did you then check back with the guy who sold you the pants?

DB: Yeah. He said he didn’t even know what they were when he sent them to me. He was just like, “This is what I got.”

UW: Did he say how many of those he got?

DB: He said he only got the single pair.

UW: And now you have it.

DB: Yes. He’s not a collector.

UW: So how do you feel about having what might possibly be literally the only pair of these? I mean, there might be some others that are floating around out there, but it’s also possible that you’re the only one who has them.

DB: It’s kind of crazy, honestly. I mean, I didn’t think those would end up in my possession.

UW: Do you do a lot of trading and swapping and selling with other collectors, so your collections have a lot of turnover?

DB: Yes.

UW: Is this the kind of thing you would flip? Or because it’s so rare, is it something you’d want to keep?

DB: I would probably hang onto this one for a while.

UW: Do you wish they had gone ahead with these, or are you happy with the solid blue?

DB: I’m happy with the solid blue. I’ve been a big fan of that. But I’m not a fan of the number font change at all. I liked our old font — it was more unique. The new one is pretty basic and generic. I do wish that they would have done either white pants for the white uniforms, to give us more options down the road, or even white pants with the blue uniform. But I just think the grey didn’t tie into anything except the helmet.

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All very interesting. My thanks to Dylan for sharing his story. The only question now is whether the Pats will spring the grey pants on an unsuspecting world after all, just like the Browns recently did with their orange pants. Personally, I hope so — I hate that mono-blue look.

Two additional things about Dylan. First, this isn’t the first time he’s been the protagonist in a uni-centric Patriots story. In 2017, he provided the tip that led to the recovery of Tom Brady’s stolen Super Bowl jerseys. (He has since taken his step-father’s surname, which is why he’s referred to as Dylan Wagner in that linked article but Dylan Boulanger in this blog post.) For a young guy, he’s certainly become a major figure in the uni-verse of his favorite team!

Also, the grey Pats pants aren’t the only notable NFL prototypes in Dylan’s collection. Back in 2016, when Nike and the NFL launched the Color Rash program, the Lions were given a mono-black design. They never wore it, because they didn’t have any Thursday-night games in 2016, and then they unveiled a new uni set in 2017 (with a mono-grey design instead of mono-black), so the black uni was essentially orphaned. But although the mono-black design was never worn on the field, some prototypes of it were made, and Dylan has one of them (click to enlarge):

“Those came from the same source, the guy who sent me the package with the pants,” says Dylan. “I got that one probably about a month or two ago. He had it for a while — I just didn’t realize it. And when I saw that he had it, I was like, “I don’t think they ever wore those. They’re pretty sweet — I’ll take that!”

(Big thanks to Elijah Betancourt, without whom this post would not have been possible.)

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The man in the mask: These photos of Miami Heat prexy Pat Riley were are from (left to right, top row first) Aug. 31 and Sept. 4, 17, 19, and 23. What they all have in common, obviously, is that Riley likes to wear his Covid mask upside-down! (He also appears to own only one shirt.)

I assume this is a superstition on his part. Interestingly, some quick Googling suggests that nothing has been written about it. I’ll see if I can find out more.

(My thanks to Griffin Smith, Timmy Donahue, and Steve Kriske for getting the ball rolling on this one.)

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Oh for fuck’s sake: We had previously Ticker-reported that the NBA had decided to allow teams to add a second sponsorship asset advertisement on their practice jerseys and pregame gear. In the case of the Cavs, that apparently means that their existing jersey advertiser has added a second ad.

I should acknowledge here that I’m with Allen Iverson. I would happily let practice gear, in any sport, look like European hockey uniforms if they would scrap/preclude uni ads and maker’s marks on game uniforms. I’d take that trade every day of the week.

Still, there’s something about seeing a second ad for the same company that seems particularly gross, even if it’s only on a practice jersey. Come on — your iconic logo by itself wasn’t enough? You needed a second ad? Sigh.

(My thanks to Evan Dammarell for this one.)

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ITEM! Blockbuster membership raffle: Reader Marlon Wright has very generously provided funds for a whopping six membership cards, so we’re going to raffle those off today.

This will be a one-day raffle. No entry restrctions. To enter, send an email, to the raffle address by 8pm Eastern tonight. One entry per person. I’ll announce the winner tomorrow.

Meanwhile, our latest raffle winner is Brian Renvall, who’s won himself a Uni Watch Color Remix T-shirt. Congrats to him, and thanks again to reader Ron Heerlyn for sponsoring that one.

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My thanks, as always, for your support and consideration.

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The Ticker
By Paul

’Skins Watch: Mariemont City Schools in Cincinnati is scrapping its Indian-head logo, although it will still call its teams the Warriors (thanks, Brinke). … With the high school in Nyack, N.Y., no longer calling its teams the Indians, residents have been asked to take a survey to help determine a new team name (from Timmy Donahue).

Working Class Wannabes™: High school basketball star Heather Madrigal’s coach says Madrigal is “a very blue collar player.” … An article about New Jersey high school football says the Clearview High School Pioneers are a “blue collar team that seems to thrive in the underdog role.” … A high school football coach in Michigan says his middle linebacker is “a blue collar football player. He puts you in his sights and goes and gets you.” … Another Michigan high school football coach says his team is comprised of “blue-collar, hard-working, football-hungry kids.” … A high school football player in Indiana says, “We’re a blue-collar team. That’s what we pride ourselves on.” … University of Missouri tight ends coach Casey Woods says he tries to “present different looks and different plays and different motions while still keeping the fundamental techniques of a blue collar football team.” … An article about last Sunday’s Colts/Vikings game says the Colts “decided to stick to basics and play blue-collar football.” … An article about MLS says the Philadelphia Union are “a hardworking, blue-collar team that can pull off an upset anywhere.” … A high school football player who recently committed to Oklahoma State thanked the OSU coaches “for believing in me and seeing the blue collar work ethic in me that makes the Cowboy Culture so great.” … An article about Notre Dame football says that the Irish’s offense used to be “tough, physical, blue-collar, no frills.” … NC State football coach Dave Doeren says Virginia Tech is “a very physical team, they’re a blue-collar team, very proud football team.”

Baseball News: Really fun article about how some fans have managed to watch live ballgames this year despite not being allowed inside stadiums (NYT link). … An L.A.-area moving company uses a very Dodgers-esque logo — and a dig at the Astros (from Joe Nocella and Jakob Fox). … The Charleston RiverDogs are having an election-themed event in their parking lot on Oct. 17. For $30, fans can drive through the lot and veer left or right to get their choice of a Joe Biden or Donald Trump bobblehead doll. According to the team, Charleston has a history of accurately choosing the winner in the national presidential election. … A sign of the big minor league shakeout to come: The previously independent Atlantic League is now a “partner league” of MLB. … Mariners 2B Dee Strange-Gordon was wearing the Jackie Day cap last night. He’s apparently been doing it for weeks, ever since Jackie Day.

NFL News: The Ravens will wear their black alternate jerseys (and presumably their black pants as well, although they didn’t specify that, grrrr) next Monday night (thanks to all who shared). … The Bills plan to wear mono-white at home this Sunday, which means we’ll get our first look at the Rams’ blue jerseys (from @jeffreybigmoney). … After yesterday’s announcement of Hall of Famer Gale Sayers’s death, the Bears changed their social media avatar to his uni number. It’s not yet clear what sort of memorial they’ll choose to wear on their uniforms. … The Jags — who, as noted in yesterday’s Ticker, will be going mono-teal tonight — have added teal end zones (from Mike Chamernik).

College Football News: Here are this week’s uni combos for BYU, Syracuse, South Carolina, and Louisville. … UNC P Ben Kiernan, who’s from Dublin, Ireland, wears an Irish flag decal, instead of an American flag, on the back of his helmet (from James Gilbert). … Florida has unveiled its full jersey schedule for 2020. Pants combos will be announced on a week-by-week basis (from Michael Zerbib).

Hockey News: New uniforms for the ECHL’s Maine Mariners. … Speaking of the ECHL, the Allen Americans are running a poll to help choose their new alternate uniform (from Wade Heidt). … Here’s an article on eight once-popular hockey gear brands that no longer exist (from Wade Heidt).

Basketball News: Nuggets C Nikola Jokić and coach Michael Malone were both wearing outdated gear at a press conference.
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Soccer News: A uniform advertising deal from Burger King has made Stevenage, a fourth-tier English soccer club, one of the most popular teams in the FIFA 20 video game (from Mike Chamernik). … The new shirts for Scottish side Loch Ness FC has a Loch Ness Monster theme and even a monster-related advertiser (from Pete Clark). … The first uni memorial for Ruth Bader Ginsburg is coming from, of all places, a Scottish women’s soccer team. Glasgow City FC will wear Ginsburg’s name on their sleeve (thanks, Jamie and Anthony).

Grab Bag: A major equestrian facility in Pennsylvania may have to stop hosting events because the owner refuses to change its name (NYT link) from Plantation Field. … New logo for consumer jams/jellies brand J.M. Smucker (from Timmy Donahue). … Also from Timmy: This article about sports-related trademarks, logos, nicknames, and the like makes my head hurt, but it’s a good piece of reporting. … New rugby uniforms for the Italian national team (from Germán Cabrejo). … New volleyball uniforms for French women’s team Terville Florange Olympique Club and Japanese men’s team Sakai Blazers (both from Jeremy Brahm). … Police found a man wearing a Burger King uniform who had been shot to death in Philadelphia.

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47 comments to EXCLUSIVE: Collector Snags Grey Pats Prototype Pants

  • Christian Berumen | September 24, 2020 at 8:32 am |

    Cool story about the pants and I would’ve loved to see the lions in the all black look for a Thursday night game

    • MJ | September 24, 2020 at 9:55 am |

      Hmm. I would love to see the Lions in all-black never. Honolulu Blue is one of the coolest colors in all of sports. That uniform needs no black, much less as the main color. Sorry.

      • Long time, first time | September 24, 2020 at 10:53 am |

        Could not agree more on this.

        • Patrick in MI | September 24, 2020 at 9:48 pm |

          So if the Patriots reversed course and actually wore the gray pants in the future, would that make the value of the prototypes go down?

      • Rob S | September 24, 2020 at 5:27 pm |

        Didn’t care for the black unis they had in the ’00s, and glad they didn’t wear these.

        The mono-gray Rash unis, though, are the worst of their current lot. And while I can understand teams wanting unique fonts for their numbers, I just don’t like their current numbers at all.

        And don’t even get me started on the sleeve wordmarks!

        … and that’s a lot of vitriol over a team I’ve tried to swear off of due to the constant aggravation they’ve given this town over the decades…

    • walter | September 24, 2020 at 11:25 am |

      If you want to see the Lions in solid black, root for the Carolina Panthers. Rocking the color scheme seems to be the team’s raison d’etre.

  • RS Rogers | September 24, 2020 at 8:42 am |

    Glasgow City FC is a women’s soccer team in Scotland, sort of the equivalent of the New York Yankees of Scottish women’s football.

  • Harvey Lee | September 24, 2020 at 8:54 am |

    Other old hockey gear brands: Northland, Winnwell, Canadian, Lange. Messier’s famous bucket was a Winnwell before Cooper bought them out.

  • Ran isaacs | September 24, 2020 at 8:57 am |

    Pat Riley has unknowingly created the Rally Mask; it kinda fits in that the Heat are often playing catch-up.

    • RICKAZ | September 24, 2020 at 10:31 am |

      What’s interesting about these Patriot grey pants is that they look like they would go with their white jerseys and not their blue by the matching shoulder stripes.

  • iain | September 24, 2020 at 9:04 am |

    Paul,
    you were dismissive yesterday when I suggested that the KC Monarchs throwbacks were not true raglan sleeves. Understandably perhaps since they have the same construction that the Yankees have had for years. It was my intention to let it go, but I guess I couldn’t. I posted this late in the afternoon yesterday so I doubt you saw it:

    you’re right – it is exactly like the Yankees jersey and obviously it isn’t a particularly new style. It also is not a traditional raglan sleeve. Although the sleeve extends to the collar, the seams do not run diagonally from the underarm to the collar (at least not on the front).

    This construction appears to be actually called a saddle shoulder. I was able to find that out thanks to Google, MLB Style Guides from the early 1980s, and a website devoted to Athletics Aesthetics – https://uni-watch.com/2016/06/21/uni-watch-show-and-tell-an-early-80s-mlb-style-guide/

    ‘If you look again at those Yankees specs, you can see that they refer to the jersey having a “saddle shoulder.” That’s the term used in the guide for raglan sleeves (except for one or two entries that do say “raglan sleeve” instead). I had never heard of the term “saddle shoulder” before, but it’s apparently a raglan variation.’

    That entry from 2016 does not actually include a picture of the Yankees uniforms that are described, but based on some of the other screenshots the Style Guide is not using saddle shoulder to describe raglan sleeves. It is making a clear distinction between the 2 styles.

    • Paul Lukas | September 24, 2020 at 10:06 am |

      Actually, Iain, I did see it.

      What I was actually dismissive of was your initial contentions (a) that the Royals’ jersey tailoring was a new thing we hadn’t seen before, and (b) that the sleeves were raglan on one side and set-in on the other. Both of those contentions are false.

      But thanks for the follow-up — I had forgotten about that 2016 item!

      Let’s please move on. Thanks.

  • DonS | September 24, 2020 at 9:59 am |

    I’m not sure I understand why someone’s murder would make today’s ticker. Because he was wearing his work uniform? I think going forward you ought to rethink your criteria for what goes into the ticker. SMH.

    • Paul Lukas | September 24, 2020 at 10:07 am |

      Actually, we don’t know that it was a murder. We only know that he died of a gunshot wound. Not every gunshot death is a murder.

      But yes, it was because he was wearing a uniform. If you’re not interested in that type of Ticker item, you’re free to scroll past it. Thanks for your feedback!

    • TIm | September 24, 2020 at 11:44 am |

      I found that strange as well. At first I thought perhaps the uniform had some relevance to the death somehow (not sure how/why that would be, which is why I clicked on it), but it’s really just someone shot to death who was wearing a BK uniform/their work clothes.

  • MJ | September 24, 2020 at 10:00 am |

    2 of my kids went to Clearview. It is not a “blue collar district”, to carry out the speaker’s intended allusion to its endpoint. This is valor theft at its most egregious.

    • Tim | September 24, 2020 at 11:38 am |

      This isn’t “valor theft”. Someone wearing a military uniform with awards they didn’t earn/weren’t awarded is Valor Theft.

      • Paul Lukas | September 24, 2020 at 11:49 am |

        Actually, valor, or at least perceived valor, takes many forms, Tim. So does misappropriation of same. It’s a flexible term.

        • Tim | September 24, 2020 at 3:32 pm |

          I equate Stolen valor with the Stolen Valor Act. From Wikipedia:

          The Stolen Valor Act of 2013 (Pub.L. 113–12; H.R. 258) is a United States federal law that was passed by the 113th United States Congress. The law amends the federal criminal code to make it a crime for a person to claim they have served in the military, embellish their rank or fraudulently claim having received a valor award specified in the Act, with the intention of obtaining money, property, or other tangible benefit by convincing another that he or she received the award.

        • Paul Lukas | September 24, 2020 at 3:41 pm |

          Tim, the titles of legislation are not the be-all and end-all of definition, or of vernacular use. If that is the only meaning you equate with the term, you are limiting yourself with a needlessly reductive point of view. (Think of it this way: “Assault” may have a specific legal meaning in a court of law, but we don’t restrict our use of that word to the legal meaning. Ditto for countless other terms that have strict statutory definitions but much broader vernacular/cultural definitions.)

          The concept of stolen valor existed before that legislation existed. So did the term itself. The legislation certainly defines one example of stolen valor, at least in the legal sense, but it is not the *only* example in the *cultural* or *metaphorical* senses.

          If you did something great (which I’m sure you do all the time!) and I tried to take credit for it (which I would never do, promise!), that would be stolen valor. If I defined myself as an essential worker during the pandemic (which I clearly am not), that would be stolen valor. If I said I donated a kidney to a penniless child (spoiler alert: I have not), that would be stolen valor. And so on.

          Sports teams trying to piggyback on the perceived virtues of the working class by calling themselves “blue collar” do indeed represent a class-based version of stolen valor, for reasons I’ve spelled out many times. If you haven’t already read the article I wrote on this topic earlier this year, take a look:
          https://newrepublic.com/article/156304/sports-teams-blue-collar-rhetoric-football-basketball-working-class-values

        • Tim | September 24, 2020 at 4:37 pm |

          So would a coach who said “My team espouses a blue-collar ethic” be ok?

          Maybe we’ll see a coach say his team is a “thinking man’s, white collar” team. :-D

        • Paul Lukas | September 24, 2020 at 5:32 pm |

          So would a coach who said “My team espouses a blue-collar ethic” be ok?

          Not to me. It’s same bullshit we already hear all the time, just couched ever-so-slightly differently.

          Maybe we’ll see a coach say his team is a “thinking man’s, white collar” team.

          Maybe. I’m not holding my breath.

      • RS Rogers | September 24, 2020 at 11:55 am |

        On the one hand, those who lay false claim to “blue collar” or “working class” status do in fact intend to valorize the socio-economic class status in question. So such false claims are of a piece with stolen valor.

        But of course it it also true that there is nothing inherently valorous about “blue collar” or “working class” status.

        So it’s a bit like an assassin who sneaks into the bedroom of a man who’s already died from a heart attack earlier in the night and shoots the body in the head three times believing that the man in the bed is still alive. The assassin didn’t actually kill anybody, but depending on the jurisdiction he could still be guilty of the crime of murder, or at least attempted murder. If you intend to cloak yourself in valor that is not your own, even if you are wrong about whether the thing you’re claiming is in fact valorous, then you’re engaging in stolen valor.

    • Tom | September 24, 2020 at 12:16 pm |

      I’m always a bit disappointed when someone takes issue with an article but misquotes the article in establishing their point. The reporter did not write Clearview is a “blue collar district”. Harrison Twp in NJ was a rural community that has become more built up with middle to upper class housing and serves as an attractive suburb for longer commutes to Philadelphia and Wilmington.

      But the reporter wrote Clearview’s football group is a “blue collar team”. Whether the term is acceptable or not, high school teams can have characteristics not universally found in their communities. To suggest the reporter, the team, the coach, the community, or an unreferenced speaker’s imagined intent are perpetrating an example of “stolen valor” misses the mark.

      • Paul Lukas | September 24, 2020 at 12:24 pm |

        high school teams can have characteristics not universally found in their communities

        Sure. But what “characteristics” of a football team would be “blue collar characteristics”? As I’ve made clear for months now, the very notion of a team having “blue collar characteristics” is nonsense and is indeed a form of stolen valor (or at least a poor attempt at such), irrespective of the surrounding community.

  • Wade Heidt | September 24, 2020 at 10:02 am |

    Hope to see the grey pants maybe someday make it on the field for New England, but I would prefer to see silver pants like they used to wear.

    I miss silver pants! Seems to be the trend now that pants are just grey without that little bit of shine. The Raiders are still able to strut out on the field with silver pants. Would like to see teams like the Lions, Panthers and Patriots follow suit.

    • Steve Ceruolo | September 24, 2020 at 11:11 pm |

      Would like to see Pats in silver pants at home with the pant striping in red, white, red, to match the striping on the home jersey.

  • Johnny O | September 24, 2020 at 10:23 am |

    RE: Pat Riley’s upside down mask –

    Not in printed form, but “The Dan LeBatard Show With StuGotz” (which are based in Miami) have talked about this a lot. They said after the last game someone from the NBA asked him to turn it around, but he has refused. It must be a superstitious thing by now. I don’t know when pointed out to him, why he wouldn’t change.

  • Chuck | September 24, 2020 at 10:38 am |

    I wear my covid mask upside down too. Still covers my nose and mouth but is more comfortable on the bridge of my nose. I had a septopasty back in January so I find it helps me.

  • lance | September 24, 2020 at 10:55 am |

    If the Pats are not going to have grey in their uni anymore, why have a silver helmet? Perhaps a white helmet is in the works?

    • walter | September 24, 2020 at 11:26 am |

      The numerals still have a silver layer.

  • Patrick B | September 24, 2020 at 11:39 am |

    I just want to know who looks at the Pats unis with the blue pants compared with the silver/gray pants and thinks “Oh yeah, mono blue looks better.” Heavy sigh…

  • Nate | September 24, 2020 at 11:39 am |

    How in the world is a 22-year old able to afford an expensive hobby like uniform collecting? I can’t imagine being his age and dropping a grand on something sight-unseen.

  • Block "O Canada" | September 24, 2020 at 12:00 pm |

    “And then anything extra, he’s allowed to keep, and he can sell.”
    “He doesn’t have to really do anything and they just ship him this stuff.”

    – I’m not accusing Dylan of anything. But I can’t be the only one who thinks his source is dealing, at best, in grey market goods.

    – Paul, from your experience, do teams care that their prototypes are out there floating around? And do the teams care that people are selling them?

    • Paul Lukas | September 24, 2020 at 12:07 pm |

      Beats me. If Nike is giving things to Dylan’s source and telling him he can do what he wants with them, then I guess that means he can do what he wants with them, including selling them to Dylan.

      I have no idea if a team would be upset about something like this, nor do I have any idea what sorts of terms are involved between the team and the manufacturer. Like, once the Pats decided not to go ahead with the grey pants, maybe the pant design (digital and physical) became Nike’s to do with as they chose.

      I’m not saying that’s necessarily the case; I’m saying I don’t know. But I certainly wouldn’t jump to the assumption that there’s anything unethical or untoward going on.

  • Peter | September 24, 2020 at 1:09 pm |

    Legit question:
    If the Washington Football Team has stopped using the logo, then why are you still using it? I find it quite odd (sorry, not sure what word to use exactly) but how is it okay for you to keep using it and for what benefit?

    • Paul Lukas | September 24, 2020 at 1:12 pm |

      Legit answers:

      1) I am not using it as the name of my football team. I am using it as a form of critique.

      2) There are still quite a few high school teams that call themselves the Redskins, among other Native-based names, so it’s still relevant to the content I post in that section each week.

    • Jeremiah | September 24, 2020 at 10:14 pm |

      For as long as I’ve been reading, that part of the ticker has never been about just the Washington Football Team. In fact there is a school here in town that has that very logo painted on the side of it’s gymnasium. It’s still out there. It’s still an important topic.

  • TitansFan | September 24, 2020 at 1:35 pm |

    I really hope the Pats bring those pants in. I’m also not liking this “unitard” trend in the NFL. I’m ok with wearing them but more and more teams seem to be just using their unitard look almost all the time. Seattle has done it forever (and I still think the gray pants look better). Atlanta’s uniforms are already terrible and looks like the all black is their default look now. The Titans will probably stick with all navy at home most of the time this year. New Orleans has ditched the superior gold pants and goes mono-black at home now.

    It’s weird how the NFL went from being pretty much never seeing a unitard (other than white jersey/white pants) and now it’s everywhere. I like

  • Jon B. | September 24, 2020 at 2:54 pm |

    I’m even more convinced that the gray pants would look good with a blue or a white jersey. I believe the Patriots will incorporate them as an alternate at some point (next year?).

    It seems that some folks will never embrace the “blue collar/stolen valor” POV. I get it completely. Having said that, I do like purple.

  • StLMarty | September 24, 2020 at 5:46 pm |

    “But I just didn’t think the grey tied into anything but the helmet.”
    And that’s why they should wear silver pants at all times. Or at least place more silver elsewhere. Helmet color is kind of important to a teams color scheme. It should be represented. That’s why Carolina looks ridiculous in all white.

    • StLMarty | September 24, 2020 at 6:57 pm |

      Buccaneers in white pants is also a problem.

  • DSK | September 24, 2020 at 9:07 pm |

    After reading about how horseshoe crab blood is teal-colored, I’m trying to find a snappy way to use this knowledge in conjunction with Jacksonville wearing all-teal for tonight’s game. Any ideas?

  • Billy King | September 25, 2020 at 1:18 am |

    About the Ravens in the Ticker: they said on their instagram that pants aren’t finalized until game day. I wonder if it’s like that every week.