Something Old, Something New

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The top photo shows a guy named Mark Occhipinti, who spent the 1978 NFL season dressed up as SuperPatriot, a live mascot for the Patriots; the lower photo shows this season’s NBA All-Star jerseys (you can click on each image to see larger versions).

I’ll have ESPN columns on both of these topics today — a rare daily double. Here’s the one on the NBA All-Star gear, and here’s the one on SuperPatriot. Happy Groundhog Day! ”” Paul

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Uni Watch News Ticker: Here’s a surprise: Although the Panthers have updated their logo, they’re not getting new uniforms, at least not for 2012. I suspect we’ll see more NFL changes in 2013 than in ’12 (although, as I’ve been saying all along, not necessarily drastic ones), in part because Nike simply hasn’t had enough time to get everything into the supply chain. … Former Uni Watch intern Vince Grzegorek has written an epic feature about Browns owner Randy Lerner. I recommend reading all of it, but here’s a small uni-related tidbit: After next season, the team’s “AL” sleeve memorial — for Lerner’s father, Al — will be removed from the team’s jersey. Nice scoop, Vince. ”¦ Here’s something worth trying to track down: According to an article sent my way by Tom Shieber, Tom Brady was scouted and drafted by the Expos but never signed with them. Key quote: “[Scout John] Hughes brought Brady into the Expos’ clubhouse and gave him a uniform to wear.” There has to be a photo of this floating around there somewhere — let’s find it! (Read: One of you please go find it!) ”¦ During Tuesday’s Everton-Man City match, a fan ran onto the pitch and handcuffed himself to one of the goals. “Evidently he didn’t have the key, either,” says Johnny Flanagan. ”¦ New uniforms for the Hanshin Tigers, complete with little captaincy shields (from Jeremy Brahm). ”¦ Also from Jeremy: New kit for Cerezo Osaka). ”¦ Here’s another article — and a pretty good one — about the guy who cleans the Giants’ jerseys (from Dave Rakowski). ”¦ Can’t make it up: In Germany, there is now corporate sponsorship for weather developments (from Todd Usher). ”¦ Louisiana-Lafayette is letting fans vote on the school’s new marching band uni design (from Joel Manuel). ”¦ Yesterday I Ticker-linked to a story about Texas Tech possibly going to silver helmets but didn’t have a photo. Now I do (from Brandon Sims). ”¦ Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: Some new uni number assignments for the Reds (from Daren Landers). ”¦ You have got to be kidding me (from Colin Sherrod). ”¦ Ken Singer reports that one result of yesterday’s college football recruit signings is that the Texas Longhorns will have two Malcolm Browns on the roster. ”¦ Several readers have noted that the current issue of ESPN [the] Mag features an embroidered version of the ESPN logo. … Here’s a great color-on-color game we missed: Marquette vs. USF from last week (from Andrew Hess). … But color-vs.-color is nothing compared to pinstriped color-vs.-pinstriped color! (Great find by Travis Chell.) … Here’s more about those NFLPA strike games from 1982 (big thanks to Chris Callan). … As you might expect, there are a lot of mix-and-match uni options in Chip Kelly’s office (from Nick Phillips). … We may stop seeing pink ribbons and related pink gear, because the politics of breast cancer research have suddenly gotten very messy. … I had previously been told (and reported) that NFL players could change their uni numbers without a financial penalty during the Reebok-to-Nike changeover period, but that’s apparently not the case (from Wolfie Browender). … “The other night on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon there was a spoof Motown group that went by the name Jackie Football and the Stadiums,” says Chris Zagorski. “Each performer was wearing a satin jacket that had a sequined NFL stadium on the back.” … “I was reviewing a pregnant patient’s chart this morning and came across the abbreviation ‘NOB,’ which meant ‘new OB patient’ (i.e., newly pregnant),” writes Dr. Craig Bradley. “But I immediately thought, ‘Name on Back.’ I hope you’re happy.” … The mighty Fleer Sticker Project has taken a look at something I hadn’t even known about: a 1986 set of Jeno’s Pizza Rolls NFL stickers. ”¦ The Sabres still have several players wearing the old vector jerseys — surprising (as noted by Jim Wooley and Ethan Kreit).

136 comments to Something Old, Something New

  • Jim MI | February 2, 2012 at 7:50 am |

    Wow, Oregon has 55,001 ways to look bad.

  • lose remerswaal | February 2, 2012 at 8:01 am |

    I thought NIKE was the shit.

    And Adidas was just the poop.

    Learn something new every day.

  • Dumb Guy | February 2, 2012 at 8:18 am |

    As a band guy, I would vote for #2. Not TOO “modern”. Still has enough class to be taken seriously.

    I could get into a big rant about marching bands, styles, uniforms, etc., but that’s for another blog. :^)

    • Chance Michaels | February 2, 2012 at 9:27 am |

      I’d read that blog. ;)

      Put me down for #2 as well. Their current uniform looks almost exactly like what I wore at Wauwatosa East HS, 1986-1990.

  • Tony C. | February 2, 2012 at 8:23 am |

    huge Browns uni/helmet related part of the Lerner interview

    “While on this topic, Lerner reaches down and picks up one of the dozen helmets that fill the coffee table in his office. Some are signed, some are not. All are orange, except for this one: It’s white, with numbers on the side and orange and brown stripes running down the middle.

    Back during the Carmen Policy era, he says, the NFL came to the Browns with a new design for the team’s uniforms. It was that godawful helmet, paired with a jersey that, from Lerner’s description, sounds like a garish mash of angles and blocks of color.

    “I just laughed,” he says. “I took the helmet as a souvenir though.””

    • Mike Engle | February 2, 2012 at 8:54 am |

      What is it with Carmen Policy and terrible headgear?

  • Bernard | February 2, 2012 at 8:39 am |

    We may stop seeing pink ribbons and related pink gear, because the politics of breast cancer research have suddenly gotten very messy.

    Eh. I’m sure this will all blow over in about a week.

    • Paul Lukas | February 2, 2012 at 8:43 am |

      Nothing involving abortion ever blows over.

      • Kek | February 2, 2012 at 11:05 am |

        Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.

        • jdreyfuss | February 2, 2012 at 11:29 am |


    • Phil Hecken | February 2, 2012 at 7:18 pm |

      with this news i intend to triple my donations to susan g. komen

      since my donations were exactly $0…that’s what they’ll stay

      /SGK…dead to me

      • Brandon Creeger | February 3, 2012 at 1:22 am |

        Phil…If your prior donation was Zero… WTF is your point? Other than stating a political view? I know there are certain leanings here and there but do you have to be that obvious?

        • Sparky | February 3, 2012 at 1:55 pm |

          Agreed. Besides, SGK unfortunately caved on their decision, so you can go back to your previous level of giving, and I can go back to looking for a better cancer charity to support. Perhaps we can also go back to talking about uniforms, huh?

  • Mike V. | February 2, 2012 at 8:48 am |

    I feel awkward for Mark ‘SuperPatriot’ Occhipinti just looking at that photo. Oy vey!

  • Winter | February 2, 2012 at 8:54 am |

    Peterson would’ve had to pay the money to Nike? The NFL?

    Perhaps Nike’s already started production and has hundreds of #28’s already sitting on the shelf in Beaverton…

    • MightyJoe | February 2, 2012 at 10:35 am |

      Yeah I had thought it was mentioned here that players basically have open season on number changes this off season with the switch to Nike?

      • jdreyfuss | February 2, 2012 at 11:29 am |

        That’s why Paul printed the retraction with the link.

    • MightyJoe | February 2, 2012 at 12:07 pm |

      My bad….didn’t even see the ticker item and link, I was just commenting. I don’t understand why a player would want to change numbers, especially a big name franchise type guy. You would think that you would just want one number associated with your career, so in 50 years when people look back that is what pops in their mind. Also makes retiring your number much more simple. For example, what do the Lakers do with Kobe?

      • Drew | February 2, 2012 at 8:12 pm |

        they’ll retire 24, 8 was the alleged rapist

  • Y. Dargomot | February 2, 2012 at 8:57 am |

    Ripon Athletics 26 Burnt Orange is the Broncos, Bears, Dolphins orange as per their 2012 Football Ordering catalog.

  • concealed78 | February 2, 2012 at 9:11 am |

    CTD link sure conjures up some frightening notions of retro NYC.

    • Chance Michaels | February 2, 2012 at 9:41 am |

      Feels like old home week to me…

    • Dumb Guy | February 2, 2012 at 11:37 am |

      I’ve never been to Coney Island, but the pic of the dilapidated roller coaster is just sad.

      • Paul Lukas | February 2, 2012 at 12:10 pm |

        That’s the Thunderbolt. There was a house underneath it, and an old lady lived in there — the widow of the guy whose family had owned the coaster. It was a beautiful relic, with ivy winding up and down the tracks. When the old lady died, they tore it down. Very sad.

        • David Gratt | February 2, 2012 at 3:37 pm |

          quick note: Giuliani had it torn down because he didn’t want a dilapidated roller coaster in the background of a brand new stadium. The story goes that He and Fred Wilpon were down in Coney Island as the ballpark was being completed and Fred says, “it all looks great! Too bad that old wreck is in the backround.”

          So Giuliani had it (illegally, as decided later by the courts) torn down.

          The woman who lived in the building (Mae Timpano) was alive until a few years ago (and may still be kicking…my own Coney Island experience ended in 2009)

          Anyone else have any questions about Coney Island, you know who to ask!

        • JTH | February 2, 2012 at 4:14 pm |

          What new stadium are you referring to? KeySpan Park?

  • Shawn S. | February 2, 2012 at 9:12 am |

    Stupid question but I have been wondering since first seeing the Japanese baseball teams on here. Why are the teams names in English?

    • Chris Holder | February 2, 2012 at 9:25 am |

      Because English Is The Shit?

    • concealed78 | February 2, 2012 at 10:18 am |

      The Japanese are fascinated with Western culture & the English language lettering, supposedly.

      I like that Hanshin Tigers cap but that’s it. Hiroshima Carp had some really sharp red & white looks, too.

      • Mark in Shiga | February 2, 2012 at 10:29 am |

        Oh, man, the Hanshin Tigers are my team, and both of those uniforms, with those out-of-place curvy lines all over the place, are just garbage.

        I hope the Tigers will wear their pure-awesome, best-throwback-in-history black alternates again this year.

        It’s impossible not to like these.

        • JTH | February 2, 2012 at 10:45 am |

          I guess I’m capable of the impossible, because I don’t like those.

          Except for the guy who presumably just hit a home run or had some kind of walk-off RBI, they all look like they’re wearing track suits, not baseball uniforms.

          That first picture is awesome, though (everything above the shoes, at least).

        • concealed78 | February 2, 2012 at 11:43 am |

          Dark on dark monochrome? Sorry, I don’t like those either. They do look like track suits or auto repair shop unis.

        • Mark in Shiga | February 2, 2012 at 1:07 pm |

          JTH, clearly it’s the pajama pants that ruin it, not the all-black awesomeness. Back when they first wore this in the ’40s, you could see the socks, which were originally striped light blue and dark blue/black. The throwbacks were in that color first, but then they switched to the yellow-and-black stripes that match better with the team’s colors.

        • Phil Hecken | February 2, 2012 at 7:20 pm |

          that shit is fuckin awful

          but yeah, probably because of the pjs…

          still, there isn’t much redeeming aboot it

      • JAson | February 2, 2012 at 11:16 am |

        So dumb questions are English word tattoos popular in Japan like the Japanese character tattoos were popular over here?

        • jdreyfuss | February 2, 2012 at 11:31 am |

          I’ve seen a suggestion to that effect before, but I don’t know if it was actually true or if it was a joke.

        • ClubMedSux | February 2, 2012 at 12:46 pm |

          I can’t speak for tattoos but when I was in China and Japan in 2005 there was all sorts of advertising and clothing with English words that made little-to-no sense.

        • apk3000 | February 2, 2012 at 12:54 pm |

          IIRC tattoos are more in terms of images and usually brand you as yakusa/gang affiliated.

        • Mark in Shiga | February 2, 2012 at 1:03 pm |

          As APK3000 says, tattoos in any language are considered classless and are associated with the yakuza. If you’ve got a tattoo, keep it covered up when in Japan.

        • Chance Michaels | February 2, 2012 at 1:14 pm |

          True enough. I once went to an onsen in Japan, and there were signs prohibiting those with tattoos from entering.

          I decided that they’d figure I’m a dumb American, and went right in. Must have worked, because nobody said anything about my tats (then again, I can’t think of anything less gang-like than a tattoo of a chrome toaster).

        • jdreyfuss | February 2, 2012 at 3:24 pm |

          … there was all sorts of advertising and clothing with English words that made little-to-no sense.

          You mean like this?

      • DJ | February 2, 2012 at 12:13 pm |

        When Japan adopted baseball into its culture, it adopted the English language and lettering with it. Similarly when the J-League (soccer) came into being, many of the teams took Italian- or Portuguese-sounding names.

    • Mark in Shiga | February 2, 2012 at 10:22 am |

      Shawn, I remember seeing a photo of a Japanese baseball player as a child and I thought the same thing!

      Much later I discovered that almost all sports uniforms in Japan are in English. Baseball was brought to Japan in the 1870s by Americans and English has (almost) always been used everywhere, from uniforms to vocabulary. In newspapers they write everything in Japanese, but uniforms (in just about every sport) are in English or at least in romanized Japanese. On the international stage Japan’s team will have JAPAN or NIPPON on its jerseys, but rarely 日本.

      During WWII all the English was eradicated from the game — words like strike and ball and out were changed to Japanese equivalents; outs were shi, “deaths” — and the uniforms were changed to Japanese, then to military-looking garb.

      Finally after the war, baseball, with English included, came back so strongly that people now mock the brief period of anti-English, anti-American sentiment. You’d be amazed at how much English is used on signs and advertisements. I can’t imagine Americans writing things in foreign alphabets so casually. How often do you see non-Roman alphabets, that you’re expected to be able to read, in daily life? Greek letters on fraternity sweaters? But in Japan this is normal.

    • Dumb Guy | February 2, 2012 at 11:21 am |

      My dad was a Marine stationed in Okinawa a couple of times. He would go watch the little leaguers play baseball and they spoke 99.99% in Japanese. The .01% English was baseball jargon–first base, second base, home run, shortstop, left field, on deck, etc.

      Baseball and English are a match in Japan.

      • Abe | February 4, 2012 at 11:04 am |

        I play, teach and coach Ultimate Frisbee in Israel. As much as we talk to players in Hebrew and Arabic, the game terminology is still in English. We’ll sometimes try to translate when we are introducing a new concept, but like baseball the game is just too American to translate fully.

  • rawlings | February 2, 2012 at 9:29 am |

    Those all star basketball jerseys look like something I saw at the local flea market, do they say EXCO on them

  • Mikey | February 2, 2012 at 9:41 am |

    Darren Rovell had a useless bit of uni info: The 1st time BenJarvus Green-Ellis had his name on the back of his jersey was when he came to the NFL (No names on Indiana or Miss)

    • Phil Hecken | February 2, 2012 at 7:22 pm |

      aren’t all of darren rovell’s info bits useless?

    • =bg= | February 2, 2012 at 7:30 pm |

      Darren Rovell’s cell bill must be enormous. He sends a tweet every thirty seconds…24×7. Gotta pass on all those Nike scoops, ya know.

  • Rydell | February 2, 2012 at 9:42 am |

    I’m watching Gronkowski in live interview at SB, he is wearing his tuque inside out, the SB logo is upside down hmm and the tag is sticking out over his left ear

  • Jeremiah | February 2, 2012 at 10:15 am |

    Not the Expos yet, but this story has a pic of Brady playing catcher in HS. There’s also a shot of him at QB with his HS team. Probably seen before.

    • jdreyfuss | February 2, 2012 at 11:33 am |

      Isn’t he a little tall for a catcher? Being 6’4″ and relatively thin I would have guessed he was a pitcher.

      • JTH | February 2, 2012 at 11:43 am |

        Joe Mauer’s 6’5″. A.J. Pierzynski and Ramon Castro are 6’3″. As it happens, all three were in the same division last year and the latter two were on the same team.

        So tall catchers are pretty uncommon, but not unheard of.

  • Ryan | February 2, 2012 at 10:17 am |

    Just came across this article via another website I read:

    It’s about the use of Roman numerals in the Super Bowl and how “Super Bowl L” in a few years might not be the best way to go. Buried at the end is this gem from a manager in adidas’ licensing division:

    “L standing for loser with a Nike swoosh right above it — I love that,” said Blake Lundberg, general manager of Adidas’ sports licensed division.

    • Chance Michaels | February 2, 2012 at 1:16 pm |

      Sounds to me a lot like the bitter taste of having been dumped for a richer beau….

  • Mark H. | February 2, 2012 at 10:24 am |

    Mizzou apparently will unveil their new “brand” on April 14th. Is the font on the date 4-14-12(which is different from the rest of the font shown in the video) a hint?

  • Tom | February 2, 2012 at 10:33 am |

    Choose a college because of their uniforms? Nope, this story actually makes that sound like a decent idea.

    • concealed78 | February 2, 2012 at 10:58 am |

      Oh geez. Taking it with a grain of salt. That’s why I took an interest on how to cook, so I wouldn’t be at the mercy of whatever location I ended up at. And Chick-fil-A’s food isn’t that unique or special, either.

      I don’t expect everybody to know how to cook but this homogenization of American cuisine & palettes makes me sick.

      • Kek | February 2, 2012 at 11:36 am |

        Slow down Foodie McFoodpants! Not that I’m saying that you should pick your school in proximately to a certain fast food place, but there is something special to “the hunt”.

        Growing up in Johnstown, we never had Chickfila (still don’t) so when we’d travel to Pittsburgh or somewhere else that had them, it was a treat. My mom is still in Johnstown and still feels this way.

        And I can’t begin to tell you how much a lot of my fellow Burghers wish we had White Castle or Krystals.

        Therefore, the opposite of this is also true. When I moved to Pittsburgh, the number of stores that carried Galliker’s Iced Tea (a brand made in Johnstown) decreased by like 95%, so it’s extra special when I discover a store in the Pittsburgh area that has it or am back home and can stock up.

        • Chris Holder | February 2, 2012 at 12:05 pm |

          I’ve become more of a food snob in my old age (29), but for perspective, we ARE talking about college kids. Anything that isn’t Ramen noodles is probably considered gourmet.

          Then again, there is something to be said for teaching kids to cook at an earlier age. I’m just now getting the hang of it. It DOES have rewards. My new girlfriend says there’s nothing hotter than a man in an apron…

        • CD | February 2, 2012 at 8:31 pm |

          I know the feeling. I love Raising Cane’s, but there’s so few of them in the country and they’re all located on or near big college campuses, none of which I am within like 2 or 3 hours of. So whenever I am near one I almost always stop there. Really one of the only fast food joints worth stopping for.

          I don’t think I’ll ever be a food snob…I still eat chicken fingers. Although I am trying to learn how to cook.

  • Paul Lukas | February 2, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • JTH | February 2, 2012 at 11:05 am |

      Subscript NOBs, eh?

      God help me. I actually like pretty much everything about those unis.

    • concealed78 | February 2, 2012 at 11:11 am |

      Getting a “chipped tooth” feeling from those uni numbers. A lot of it including the unis (which have a very 1980s feel) seems a bit much & overwhelming.

    • Mike V. | February 2, 2012 at 11:17 am |

      As All-Star unis go, these are nice.

      • Paul Lukas | February 2, 2012 at 11:30 am |

        I like them. Much better than some of the other things they’ve tried lately (like the ones that were two-tone from back to front). And as you could probably tell, I really like the “hardwood heather” effect.

        • JTH | February 2, 2012 at 11:34 am |

          I like that, too.

          I don’t think I want to see it become commonplace, but in this context, I think it works..

        • Paul Lukas | February 2, 2012 at 12:08 pm |

          It won’t become commonplace. One thing about the NBA is that they try to come up with a new “story” for each ASG. Although I cringe when I hear them say “story” (seriously, they must have said it over a dozen times when I visited their offices earlier this week to see the new All-Star gear), it does ensure some visual variety from year to year.

        • Chris Holder | February 2, 2012 at 12:08 pm |

          But Paul, this can’t be. You only liked striped, textured wool uniforms made in the 1920s.

    • jdreyfuss | February 2, 2012 at 11:38 am |

      They’re nice. Visually interesting without going overboard on the bumper stickers.

      Was it the lighting or are the shorts darker than the jerseys?

      I kind of like the laurels on the robes. It’s a nice bit of added flair, again without going overboard.

      • JTH | February 2, 2012 at 12:23 pm |

        Not the lighting — as you can see from the mockups, the shoulder area of the jersey matches the shorts, but everything else is a lighter color.

        • interlockingtc | February 2, 2012 at 8:17 pm |

          I don’t like them at all. They’re so muted and dull. Nothing jumps out. And gradients? No, thank you.

          I do like the game logo, however. That is sharp.

    • Mike V. | February 2, 2012 at 11:16 am |

      Very interesting piece. When I started reading I was laughing at the guy in my head, thinking he was just a goofball. By the end of the article I just felt sorry for him. Sad to see people live in the past like that and attribute all of life’s hardships to one moment that didn’t happen. Seems like a great guy and I wish him the best, but also seemed a bit delusional.

    • HHH | February 2, 2012 at 2:50 pm |

      Occhipinti is quoted as saying, “I was SuperPatriot, but [team owner] Bob Kraft is like a real superhero to me, because he saved our team and kept them here in New England when it looked like we might lose them.”

      Um… Hartford, Connecticut is still part of New England.

      • HHH | February 2, 2012 at 2:56 pm |

        Here’s a map showing the six New England states:

      • MFH | February 2, 2012 at 7:56 pm |

        There was a lot of talk for a while about the Patriots moving to St. Louis, before the Rams ended up being the ones to move there. Then there came the Hartford/Providence talk.

    • David T | February 2, 2012 at 6:53 pm |

      Great piece, Paul. For every San Diego Chicken there must be hundreds of SuperPatriots who never even got as far as a mini-trampoline on the field.

  • Jim MI | February 2, 2012 at 12:49 pm |

    Came out today the Detroit Red Wing great Gordie Howe has early signs of dementia. Along with the news story online is a link to pictures of Howe throughout his like. Plenty of old uni action here:

    • Teebz | February 2, 2012 at 1:16 pm |

      Mr. Hockey is still an icon.

      Love photo 16.
      Paul should save photo 42 for his own collection.
      Take a look at Murray Howe’s headgear in 51.

  • Teebz | February 2, 2012 at 12:59 pm |

    Anyone catch the Los Angeles Kings-Columbus Blue Jackets game last night? Major foul-up with the clock in LA that allowed the Kings to win the game.

    Check it out here.

    The NHL is launching an investigation into what to do about this result. If you were in charge, how would you resolve this?

    • Tim E. O'B | February 2, 2012 at 1:11 pm |

      Rule the contest void, replay the game whenever possible – Which may be only doable at the end of the season.

      • Christopher F. | February 2, 2012 at 1:50 pm |

        Nah, just rule that the game ended in a tie, and start at overtime the next time they meet. Or whenever they both have an off day.

        No reason to play the entire game over in this case.

        Regardless, the NHL has said there is zero chance of changing anything.

        • Tim E. O'B | February 2, 2012 at 2:10 pm |

          You cant just play one 5 min OT, play the game and no matter what, the loser gets 1 point.

        • Teebz | February 2, 2012 at 2:21 pm |

          The Kings and CBJ play on March 8 in Columbus.

          Are you proposing they finish one game with a five-minute OT, take a 15-minute break, and then start a new game?

          This isn’t baseball, y’know. ;o)

        • Christopher F. | February 2, 2012 at 2:42 pm |


          Why not? Assuming the next game ends in regulation, its no different than any old overtime game.

          And hockey players can handle 3+ OT games, as evidenced by the playoffs.

        • Teebz | February 2, 2012 at 3:08 pm |

          Except OT happens at the end of the game, not the beginning. There are a number of factors that could significantly affect the five-minute OT period on March 8 that may not have presented themselves last night.

          This can of worms needs to be put to bed earlier rather than later.

        • Mark K | February 2, 2012 at 5:01 pm |

          Make them play the overtime immediately AFTER the next game.

  • Tim E. O'B | February 2, 2012 at 1:08 pm |

    A very happy birthday Nashville Predator to Jordin Tootoo, one of the most aptly named and numbered players in the history of professional sports.

    Jordin Tootoo, born on 2/2, wearing number 22.

  • Jim MI | February 2, 2012 at 1:21 pm |

    Teebz, saw that game and you just have to give LA the win. Can’t change the result after a game. Crappy way to lose a game. Hopefully the investigation shows it was equipment malfunction and not human interference with the timing.

    Logic would say call it a tie for now and play a makeup OT later, but don’t think that’s the way to go. What’s your view Teebz?

    • Teebz | February 2, 2012 at 1:43 pm |

      My thought, Jim, is to award two points to both teams. LA’s win is still honoured as valid, and the two points for Columbus will mean little for a team that has nearly been mathematically-eliminated for the playoffs. In essence, it would reflect a “tie”, but both teams get what they wanted: a win and two points.

      • JTH | February 2, 2012 at 1:50 pm |

        Teams like the Wild, Avalanche and Stars might not be too happy about a decision like that and might favor giving each team one point.

        • Teebz | February 2, 2012 at 1:55 pm |

          Except that LA won the game, so don’t they deservedly get the two points?

          Columbus’ two points mean little, but if LA misses the playoffs by one point because of this? That’s millions of dollars in revenue lost. I think you have to give both teams two points in this case.

        • Chance Michaels | February 2, 2012 at 2:24 pm |

          Except that I don’t think the Kings did win the game. Or at least they wouldn’t have if the clock hadn’t stopped.

          I’m not usually in favor of adding instant replay to a sport (continue to resist it in baseball), but at least the NFL would have been able to void the goal and declare a tie in regulation.

        • Teebz | February 2, 2012 at 3:28 pm |

          Agreed, Chance, but the standings reflect that they have already.

          In this case, just award two points to both. The Kings keep what they were awarded, and the Blue Jackets get what they feel they were cheated on.

  • Winter | February 2, 2012 at 2:06 pm |

    Hoxton Space Centre in London has a new logo that’s kind of interesting…

  • Wheels | February 2, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
  • David Heit | February 2, 2012 at 2:15 pm |

    Just something I noticed you guys missed on the ticker since it was a late game, but about halfway down the article it mention the Runnin’ Rebels playing last night with a memorial patch for former coach Charlie Spoonhauer. Pictures and video of the patch are linked in with the article.

  • Jim MI | February 2, 2012 at 2:36 pm |

    What if Columbus was in the playoffs as of now or at least in the hunt? Still give them 2 points?

    • Teebz | February 2, 2012 at 3:06 pm |

      You can’t play the “what if” game in this situation. It clouds the current situation considerably.

      What if neither team was a playoff team?
      What if both were?

      If you really need an answer, though, I’d say yes. Give both two points and be done with it. If the investigation finds that the clock was stopped through human error, that’s another ball of wax altogether.

      • JTH | February 2, 2012 at 5:20 pm |

        if you’re just going to shoot down everyone else’s ideas that don’t jibe with your opinion then why the fuck did you post the “if you were in charge, how would you resolve this?” question?

        • Teebz | February 2, 2012 at 7:13 pm |

          Because “what if” should never happen again.

          It’s not a shoot-down as much as it is a catch-all. The question isn’t “what would you do if…”, it’s “how would you solve this” for all situations. If it does happen again, the solution should work for all situation, James.

          It doesn’t matter if teams are in the playoffs or not – how do you solve this if/when it happens again?

        • JTH | February 2, 2012 at 9:18 pm |

          Yeah, but everything that’s been presented here has been dismissed by you, not just the what-if scenarios.

        • Teebz | February 3, 2012 at 12:03 am |

          Not all has. But there are a variety of reasons why the game cannot be continued on March 8. I’ll explore these below, and this will relate to Mark K’s comment above.

          What happens with players traded away or acquired at the trade deadline for both teams? The deadline is February 27, so do you allow those players acquired by both teams to play in the unfinished game? They didn’t start on the roster for the game, so they are invalid by definition of the rule. I’m sure the NHL can make an exception, but how will it swing the balance in the game?

          What about any players that get injured between now and March 8? If they can’t play, the game is compromised again. And if players are called up to replace injured players, are they ruled eligible for the game despite the rosters from last night not showing them as a part of the roster?

          The NHL has already said that it will not reverse the outcome of the game, so the game has been played and it’s over. Case closed, according to the NHL. In fact, Rule 34.7 reads, “In the event of any dispute regarding time, the matter shall be referred to the Referees for adjudication and their decision shall be final. They may use the Video Goal Judge to assist in rendering their final decision. (See Rule 38 — Video Goal Judge.) The Game Timekeeper shall assist to verify game time using an additional timing device (League-approved stopwatch).”

          Because of this ruling, the Kings have, in fact, won the game, and that makes replaying the game a non-factor. The NHL will not replay the game, so there needs to be a decision on how the points will be handed out, and, since the Kings won the game based on the referee’s decision, they already have two points that will not be taken away.

          In knowing that, it just leaves the decision as to what to do with Columbus. Looking at the Western Conference standings last season when the playoffs started, the #4 through #8 seeds were separated by two points – it has huge ramifications on Los Angeles, but they already have the two points in their pocket, so they’re fine.

          Being that Columbus is 11 points back of 29th-placed Edmonton, one extra point for Columbus doesn’t make a whole heckuva change in the standings.

          There simply is no “what if” at this point. Had Columbus been challenging for a playoff spot, the debate would be much more heated, I’d assume. But in this case, what harm is there in awarding both teams two points? None. And in the future, the NHL needs to be clear that each case will be examined on its own merits.

          I’m not dismissive at all, James. I just see the bigger picture and there are a number of additional factors that will significantly murky these waters. There needs to be a black-and-white answer here so there is no confusion, and the NHL needs to do it fast.

        • JTH | February 3, 2012 at 1:46 am |

          Seriously, why did you ask the question if you knew the answer all along?

        • Teebz | February 3, 2012 at 2:42 am |

          Look, clearly I’ve ruffled your feathers in doing the research to find the answers that led me to the above essay. I’m sorry that I’ve annoyed you in finding the answers on my own, but I wanted to hear the populace’s ideas on how to settle this since this is clearly a unique situation for the majority of professional sports.

          My apologies, James, for finding the reasons why the options suggested won’t work. I kind of like doing research on these types of problems, but I guess I crossed a line today in digging up answers. Again, I’m sorry.

          To everyone else who I apparently pissed all over today, sorry about that too. Thanks for tolerating my presence, and I sincerely apologize if you found me dismissive towards you.

          And if anyone has their panties in a bunch over me in general, hit me with it right here. No sense in holding on to it any longer.

        • JTH | February 3, 2012 at 10:56 am |

          Apology accepted.

  • Tim E. O'B | February 2, 2012 at 2:51 pm |

    What’s going on in the middle picture? Chicago Real Estate about a former Bears Coach and a picture of Carolina Hurricane Tuomo Ruutu, uh…

    • jdreyfuss | February 2, 2012 at 3:29 pm |

      Maybe Ditka has an ice rink. Ever think of that?

    • Teebz | February 2, 2012 at 3:30 pm |

      I’d file that under an editor’s “oops”. ;o)

  • Jim MI | February 2, 2012 at 3:52 pm |

    Agreed Teebz, it does cloud the issue. Just curious about the answer. I feel the investigation needs to determine if the clock stopped by error or human interference. If its equipment error, call it an ‘oops’, figure out how to do it an leave the game as is, a LA win. If it’s human interference, maybe give CBJ the points, but that would be a whole other issue.

  • JP | February 2, 2012 at 4:00 pm |

    Accidentally posted this on yesterday’s post (stupid newsreader), but found these auctions on some old USFL stuff. Cool to see those old uniforms again.

  • Kub | February 2, 2012 at 4:56 pm |

    Um dont the Panthers current Uni’s have their logo on the sleeve? Will those and the helmet not be updated w/ the new logo?

    • boo | February 2, 2012 at 10:00 pm |

      duh. why wouldnt they…

      • Kub | February 3, 2012 at 11:20 am |

        because he specifically said they arent getting new uniforms next year.

  • Patrick_in_MI | February 2, 2012 at 6:26 pm |

    Is it about time for a Jeremy Brahm/Mark in Shiga column about Japanese baseball?

  • Simply Moono | February 2, 2012 at 7:20 pm |

    THIS… should be next season’s SB logo.

  • =bg= | February 2, 2012 at 7:31 pm |


    Chris Holder | February 2, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
    But Paul, this can’t be. You only liked striped, textured wool uniforms made in the 1920s.

  • Glenn | February 2, 2012 at 8:23 pm |

    don’t know if anyone has seen this before, I know some people like to do mashups of team/city logos though.

    • Jeremiah | February 2, 2012 at 9:59 pm |

      Some of those are really well done.

  • Simply Moono | February 2, 2012 at 9:23 pm |

    Color-vs-color game on the Mothership between Washington (gold) and UCLA (blue).

    • Wheels | February 2, 2012 at 9:49 pm |

      Why is the striped shoulder trim on UCLA’s classic jerseys now truncated at the armpit? Tres stupide.

      • Simply Moono | February 2, 2012 at 10:36 pm |

        Blame Adidas’s Rev-30 uni. But why does the college version used by UCLA and Indiana have truncated armhole trim and the NBA’s version doesn’t?

        • Wheels | February 3, 2012 at 12:12 am |

          Maybe only when you reach the pros, Adidas gives you the privilege of full armhole trim on your uniform.

  • Rob H. | February 2, 2012 at 9:35 pm |

    But color-vs.-color is nothing compared to pinstriped color-vs.-pinstriped color! (Great find by Travis Chell.)

    Isn’t that pinstriped-color vs. pinstriped-black? I thought black wasn’t a color around here? Hence, BFBS.

  • Rydell | February 2, 2012 at 9:58 pm |

    just read pg2. Did I miss something or was there nothing mentioned about players names on jerseys, or will it just say orlando with the player team logo above number.

    • Paul Lukas | February 2, 2012 at 10:04 pm |

      It will have the player’s name.

      • Rydell | February 2, 2012 at 10:13 pm |

        Gotcha..I just went back to pg2, because I tried everything with my eyes to see if the logo resembles the shape of Fla. Don’t think it does. But I like the heather effect

  • Rydell | February 2, 2012 at 10:04 pm |

    Teebz, you can’t just award 2pts, cause there ain’t no such thing as, yeah, lets just give’m two points each. There needs to be a make up date or something, but you just can’t award pro teams credit just cause, its not thurs.nite pick up league, come on!

    • Abe | February 4, 2012 at 10:48 am |

      In my opinion, the game ended with a valid goal.

      There is so much human involvement in the game clock in all the timed sports. And the level of precision that we try to put into these games is not very realistic. (ESPN’s TMQ likes to make this point a lot)

      Before we start trying to take away points or replay the end of the game because the clock stopped for an undetermined amount of time near the end, we need to go back through the entire game and make sure the clock stopped and started correctly on every stoppage.

      For all we know the timekeeper’s finger twitched at the last face-off and he (she?) was trying to make up for it.

  • Patrick_in_MI | February 2, 2012 at 10:30 pm |

    brinke, i just sent you something for collector’s corner. had to re-send it cuz i accidentally typed in your address as…duh!

  • Flip | February 2, 2012 at 11:17 pm |

    Vince’s piece on Brown’s owner, er, custodian Randy Lerner was A-OK. Good job, Mr. Grzegorek.