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Rules, Bylaws, Logos, and a Lot More


As most of you have noticed by now, many of the new jerseys for the upcoming college hoops season have featured two new chest marks: a blue NCAA basketball logo and a manufacturer’s mark.

Here’s the short version of the backstory on this: The NCAA has been concerned about an increasing number of violations to Rule 3-5, which governs uniforms. So they’ve set up a system in which basketball uniforms will be submitted to an NCAA approval and authentication process. Uniforms that get the thumbs-up will get to wear the blue NCAA logo and will also be permitted to wear the manufacturer’s logo (which had previously been allowed on shorts but not on jerseys). The program — which is voluntary this season, mandatory next season for Division I, and mandatory in 2013-14 for Divisions II and III — was announced to schools a few months ago via this memo, and the rules about the placement of the new logos are spelled out here and here. I recommend taking a few minutes to digest all that material before reading further with today’s entry.

I’ve had quite a few questions about this program since I first learned about it. But due to a series of miscommunications (some of which were my fault), it took a while before I was able to interview the right people at the NCAA. That conversation finally took place a few days ago, when I spoke with Greg Shaheen, the NCAA’s Executive VP of Championships and Business Strategies, and Ty Halpin, the NCAA’s Associate Director of Playing Rules (who also sent out that memo linked in the previous graf).

Here’s the discussion I had with them:

Uni Watch: I know you were concerned about uniforms that were in violation of rule 3-5. What sorts of violations were you seeing?

Greg Shaheen: The way the rule was written had stayed unchanged for many years. And as manufacturing techniques continued to evolve — fabrics with multiple textures, sublimated designs, stripe elements in areas where we hadn’t seen them before, camouflage patterns — the rule was inconsistent with the times. So it was time for the uniform rule to be revisited.

UW: Were these violations happening with the high-profile Division I programs, or at the smaller programs, or both?

Ty Halpin: Every division, every gender.

UW: And how were these violations dealt with in the past?

Ty: The concept is that there wouldn’t be a technical foul unless the offense was so blatant that you couldn’t play the game, which has never happened as long as I’ve been at the NCAA. Normally we’d notify the institution that their uniform was not in compliance. If it was before the season, we’d ask them to correct the problem before the season started, if possible. But most often we noticed these things during the season, and in those cases we’d give them a time frame to comply with it, usually for the next season.

UW: And have other NCAA sports had similar problems, or is this mostly a basketball issue? I mean, changes in fabrics and graphics aren’t just limited to basketball.

Halpin: These problems don’t seem to be as prevalent with the other sports or with their rules committees, which may speak to the fact that they’ve kept their rules up to date while the basketball rule has gotten out of date. The other sports have probably addressed it more on an ongoing basis.

UW: Tell me about this new authentication mark, and what it signifies.

Shaheen: For several years we’ve wanted to have a unifying mark that demonstrated the continuity of the umbrella of college basketball, where all roads lead to March Madness. The mark is also intended to indicate a commitment to, and compliance with, the rules set out in our rulebook. So there’s a convergence of intent there.

UW: Were you taking inspiration from the way the NBA has the NBA logo on all its jerseys, and the NFL has the NFL logo on its uniforms, and so on?

Shaheen: In terms of common licensing practices, sure.

UW: What exactly is the approval process to confirm each uniform’s legality? Like, are hundreds of uniforms being sent to your offices, or are you simply reviewing computer files that show the design specs, or what?

Halpin: We’ve set up an online submission process where they can go in and answer a few questions we’ve set up”¦

UW: “They” being the schools?

Halpin: The schools or, most likely, the manufacturers. They submit the artwork and designs online, so that we can take a look and offer any suggestions or feedback before the uniforms are actually produced.

UW: There was no process for this before?

Halpin: No. Sometimes a school would say to us, “Hey, we’re considering this design and we want to make sure it’s legal,” so we would look at situations like those on a case-by-base basis. But there wasn’t any process in place like we’re setting up now.

UW: And once these online submissions come in, who reviews them?

Halpin: Our secretary-editors, who work for the Rules Committee, would be the first people to review them. And then NCAA staff, which would be me or one of my colleagues.

UW: I know submission is voluntary this season. Do you have a sense of what percentage of schools have chosen to participate?

Halpin: I don’t know about a percentage, but we’ve had at least 200 sent in.

UW: And have they all been approved, or were there any you’ve had to turn down?

Halpin: There are quite a few where we’ve made suggestions. “Hey, this logo’s a little too low, but if you move it up you’ll be approved,” or “You have the American flag patch on the wrong side” — that kind of thing. There’s been a pretty large percentage where we may have had a minor suggestion of that nature. And then a handful where they were just completely off.

UW: If a school doesn’t choose to go through the process this year, and they end up using the same design next year, can they simply submit this year’s design for next year’s approval process?

Halpin: Yes.

UW: Jerseys that carry the new authentication logo will now be eligible to wear the manufacturer’s logo as well. I’m confused about that — why are those two things linked? In other words, what does a manufacturer’s logo have to do with the approval process? Was that a carrot to get the manufacturers on board with this?

Shaheen: Actually, it’s reflective of the fact that our bylaws allow for inclusion of that manufacturer’s mark, and that takes precedence over the playing rules.

UW: Wait, if the manufacturer’s mark has always been allowed basketball jerseys, why has it never been used? I was always under the impression that it was specifically not allowed for basketball jerseys.

Shaheen: Well, within the hierarchy of our rules structure, the player rules for basketball precluded the mark. But at the same time, our bylaws allow it. And when you have a conflict between the playing rules and the bylaws, the bylaws take precedence.

UW: You’ll have to forgive my ignorance here, but can you explain the difference between the playing rules and the bylaws?

Shaheen: Sure. The playing rules are the rulebook governing a particular sport.

UW: And those rules for basketball have said that there can’t be a maker’s mark..?

Shaheen: Correct. However, the bylaws are the overarching governing code of the NCAA, and they do allow for the mark. So there’s been a discrepancy there, and the bylaws take precedence in that type of situation.

UW: So this is sort of like the U.S. Constitution trumping a state constitution.

Shaheen: That is correct.

UW: And nobody was aware of this conflict until now..?

Shaheen: No, I think it has been realized. But the issue was that we needed a wholesale review and update of the uniform rule. So in the course of that dialogue, as we’ve recognized the need to update the uniform rule, that’s one of the things we’ve clarified and addressed.

UW: But if the bylaws always allowed for the maker’s mark anyway, then can a school now add the marker’s mark even if it doesn’t go through the authentication process?

Shaheen: For the next couple of seasons, when the program is voluntary, that’s certainly the case.

UW: What was the past rationale for the playing rules not allowing manufacturers’ logos on jerseys? I mean, what was the original thinking on that? And whatever that thinking was, has it now changed?

Halpin: I think that probably underscores how long ago these original rules were written. It dates back to the days before that was a common thing, and nobody really thought about the bylaws superceding it until we started having this larger discussion about the uniform rule. It was just one of those evolutionary steps that needed to occur.

UW: In past years, teams competing in the NCAA Tournament in have worn a circular NCAA jersey patch. Will that still be the case, or will this new mark replace that patch?

Shaheen: While it hasn’t been finalized, my understanding is that the new patch was designed specifically so that the blue disc can go over that mark.

UW: Are there any plans to add a similar authentication mark for other NCAA sports, such as football?

Shaheen: I think the other sports will obviously be aware of it, but there are no plans for a larger initiative, no.

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And there you have it. Frankly, the reasoning behind the maker’s marks seems a little flimsy — I mean, based on what they told me about the bylaws, Nike could have been putting swooshes on every hoops jersey for years now. Was Nike really not aware of that? That’s a little hard to believe, no?

In any case, college basketball is now poised to become Logo Creep City. Jerseys will now have the new authentication mark, a maker’s mark, and usually a conference logo, plus many of them also have American flags and/or little neckline logos. That’s a lot of visual clutter for a sport whose jerseys offer such limited real estate.

Meanwhile, what does this new program mean for the schools? As it turns out, longtime Uni Watch reader Brandon Davis is the sports information director for Dominican University of California, a Division II school in the Pacific West Conference. I had spoken to him a few days before I spoke to the NCAA folks:

Uni Watch: How and when did you learn about this new program?

Brandon Davis: We received a PDF in August. That was the first I had heard of it. We were like, “Huh — well, that’s good to know.” Especially since we had already ordered our uniforms by then.

UW: So from your perspective, they should have told you a lot earlier in the game?

BD: Yeah.

UW: Who’s your outfitter?

BD: We wear Nike, but we’re not really a Nike school, if that makes sense. We don’t deal with Nike directly; we go through a vendor, Sport Chalet, and they deal with Nike for us.

UW: And the uniforms you’d already ordered, this was a new design for this season?

BD: Yes. Most of our sports are on a two-year uniform cycle, and we order in July or August. Luckily, our uniforms hadn’t shipped yet when we got the PDF, so we had to tell Sport Chalet.

UW: And were they already aware of this new program?

BD: They didn’t seem to be. So first we had to let them know that we wanted the certification done, because this season it’s optional.

UW: How did you arrive at that decision internally?

BD: Basically, I had to tell my athletic director, “Hey, we need to get this done now if we want to wear this same uniform next year,” and he then had to go to Sport Chalet.

UW: And the reason you needed to get it done now is that you’re on this two-year cycle, right, and you figured that if it’s mandatory next year, you might as well do it this year..?

BD: No, we have to do it now in order to use these uniforms next year. Otherwise they become obsolete.

UW: So you couldn’t just submit this year’s design next year?

BD: No, they have to be fresh when you submit them, and it has to come from the manufacturer, not the school.

UW: So once you decided to go ahead with this, who had to send what to where?

BD: As I understand it, the NCAA has to inspect a file, like a PDF. And that’s why it has to come the manufacturer, not from us, because we could fudge it.

UW: So your file was submitted, and now you’re waiting to find out if you passed the test?

BD: Yeah.

UW: You said your uniforms hadn’t shipped yet when you told Sport Chalet about this, but had they already been produced? Like, are they sitting in a box somewhere?

BD: I believe they manufactured them already. We may have gotten the NCAA approval and I just haven’t heard about it yet. Another big part of the problem is customs. Our volleyball uniforms got caught up in customs for a month, because a lot of this stuff is made in China.

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As you probably noticed, there were some confusing bits toward the end there. One at a time:

• First, as Brandon himself pointed out in a follow-up e-mail shortly after our chat, the program will not be mandatory for his school next season — it becomes mandatory next year for Division I, but it won’t be mandatory for Divisions II and III until the 2013-14 season. “Still,” he says, “for schools that try to get three seasons’ worth out of their uniforms, this would affect them this season, and schools on a two-year cycle who order next season would need to gain approval while the program is still voluntary.”

• But that last statement from Brandon only holds true if teams can’t submit an existing uniform for approval. And while that’s Brandon’s understanding, Ty Halpin specifically told me that teams can submit an existing design.

• Brandon’s understanding that only the manufacturer can submit a design also runs counter to what the NCAA folks told me.

Clearly, there’ve been some communication problems here. I’m not trying to suggest that either Brandon or the NCAA is at greater fault (my hunch is that both sides could have done a bit better) — it’s just interesting to see how one school has been dealing with the new guidelines. I’m guessing other schools have had communication issues as well, if only because some of that is inevitable when rolling out a new program.

Meanwhile, as of yesterday, Brandon’s school still hadn’t received its uniform order, and it still isn’t clear whether the uniforms were given the NCAA’s seal of approval, although Brandon is now working under the assumption that they won’t get the new logo. “We’ll see when the jerseys are finally in hand,” says Brandon, “but unfortunately I don’t think we’ll have the NCAA mark until we truly need it in a few seasons.”

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Floor show: One thing I had hoped to include in my NBA season-preview column was this year’s slate of court designs. Unfortunately, I didn’t get the artwork from the league in time for the column’s publication, but I have it now. You can see all 30 courts in the slideshow below, or access larger versions here.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Very uni-uneventful World Series game last night, although I got several e-mails from people who said Tim Lincecum’s cap looked very broken-in, so they must have put his cap patch on one of his old caps. True enough, but there’s nothing new about that: The very first Series to feature cap patches was in 1996, and John Wetteland insisted on using the same battered, sweat-stained cap he’d been wearing all season long, so they just put the patch on that cap. ”¦ Wait, there’s this: C. Gildehaus thinks this may be the first World Series in which both teams’ starting catchers wore the hockey-style masks. Perhaps someone with absolutely nothing worthwhile to do today could check on this for us. ”¦ For the record: I have no idea whether this Nats prototype photo, which has been circulating for the past day or two, is legit. I do know, however, that I really like the script that Larry Torrez submitted to the team last year. He says he got no response.. ”¦ Attention NYCers with bicycles: Another Big Apple Tweed ride is slated for Nov. 21. ”¦ Interesting NOB on this old USFL jersey (good find by Eric Stangel). ”¦ Serious douchebaggery alert from Alex Parisi, who decided to enter that Toronto FC design contest. “I wanted to apply a white-on-white look for the Adidas shoulder stripes,” he writes. “But when I tried to submit that design, I got this message.” ”¦ The winners of the contest to design Wisconsin goalie Scott Gudmandson’s mask have been announced (with thanks to Jeff Ash). ”¦ Love love love this shot of Charlie Conacher in a Wrigley’s gum sweater (big thanks to Jon Hanson). ”¦ I was gonna bid on this jersey, but the price got a little too rich for me. ”¦ Russ Havens, whose site is one of our advertisers in the left sidebar, notes that World Series ticket design ain’t what it used to be. ”¦ Love these old soccer postcards (as noted by Anthony Bales, who learned about the postcards from Deadspin). ”¦ Becky Taylor, who provided yesterday’s Ticker photo of Georgia Christian Institute wearing long pants in 1956, has now provided a great shot of the same school — then known as Dasher Bible — wearing pants in 1950. ”¦ Good photos and info on the Lakers’ championship rings here. ”¦ Always interesting to see Washington High School from Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and their two-tone pants (with thanks to Cody Schuiling). ”¦ Latest rumor brewing in Oregon: silver shoes. ”¦ I’m not sure which is stupider: that some NBA players like to wear their headbands upside-down or that the league has now banned the practice. Of course, there’d be no such thing as an upside-down headband if the NBA hadn’t insisted on putting its logo on all of them. ”¦ If you like old logos, defunct teams, and throwbacks, you’ll flip over this online shop, which is pretty much retro central. Lots of great stuff here, from Ivy League football and ABA teams to minor league hockey and the WFL. Have fun with this one (big thanks to Andy McNeel). ”¦ Speaking of old-timey logos, look at this magnificent Seattle Rainiers mark. ”¦ Oregon’s “carbon fiber” football helmets have inspired a lacrosse prototype (with thanks to Jeff Brunelle). ”¦ This week’s New Yorker has something you don’t often see in that magazine: a football cartoon. The first thing, obviously, is that it isn’t funny. The second thing is that I wonder if the artist is even aware of the ProCap. And the third thing is that football players no longer wear sleeves or forearm padding, but we’ll chalk that part up to artistic license. ”¦ Man, the Knicks’ old uniforms really were amazing (big thanks to Grant Goldman). ”¦ Very unusual sweater design for the 1958 Victoria Cougars. And look at at the guy in the front row, far left — unique positioning of the “A” (great find by Jake Doyle). ”¦ New uniforms for the Australian Baseball League. Drew Douglas attended the Melbourne Aces’ launch event and took these photos.

107 comments to Rules, Bylaws, Logos, and a Lot More

  • David A. Arnott | October 28, 2010 at 8:26 am |

    Remember the SF Giants’ orange-striped socks? The players aren’t wearing them anymore, but the bat boys are. Anyone able to get a screen cap?

  • RS Rogers | October 28, 2010 at 8:34 am |

    Awesome, awesome Uniwatch today. Main article is the kind of knowledgeable, in-depth reporting that has all but disappeared from the newsmedia generally. So thanks for that, and thanks for continuing to be a bastion of actual, old-fashioned journalism. However, the repeated use of the term “maker’s mark” has given me an odd hankering for Antiques Roadshow reruns and bourbon whiskey. Gonna be a long day.

    Thanks also for the NBA court slideshow. I basically hate all basketball uniforms ever since, oh, 1982 or so, but the mooks who vomit up modern b-ball uni designs still manage to put together a few terrific courts. Presumably, that will end as soon as Nike gets into the lumber business and can provide “innovative” court flooring.

    As to the Nats, I can say with some confidence that the prototype that’s circulating is a legit item. I have no idea what relationship it bears to the uniforms the Nats will unveil on Nov 10, but it matches the description of a prototype I was told the marketing staff was showing around earlier this year. Props to Larry Torrez for almost nailing how the “N” in “Nationals” should look. Needs a little work on the bottom of the left leg, but otherwise that is what the Nats script “N” should look like – a curly N to go with the curly W, not the straight lines and sharp angles the Nats appear to have chosen.

    • Paul Lukas | October 28, 2010 at 9:27 am |

      Thanks for the kind words, Scott.

    • Larry | October 28, 2010 at 10:01 am |


      Thanks for the props. You are also correct with the “N” in Nationals.

      My wife said exactly the same thing – “Curly N to match the “W” is very close but needs work”. I recall having a few variations doing just that with the left leg and I chose the sturdier version for what I thought would help balance the lettering.

      Must remember to pay more attention to feedback.


      • RS Rogers | October 28, 2010 at 11:12 am |

        Larry, I’ve attempted countless versions of a curly-N script since 2005. None are as good as your design, and in all cases the left leg of the N is the problem that I never manage to solve. The 2002 All Star NL jersey remains my gold standard, but even there the left leg of the N just sort of ends. The Harrisburg Senators curly-H cap logo probably offers the best guide for a curly N.

    • Broadway Connie | October 28, 2010 at 10:02 am |

      Seconds of everything good served up by Scott. A great day, Paul.

      Naturally, my personal over-the-top moments were prompted by:

      ** Charlie Conacher wearing that “Wrigley’s Mints” jersey. Insane!
      ** The soccer postcards.
      ** The old Knicks jersey (which I nominate as Greatest Basketball Uniform of All Time).
      ** The Throwbacks website.

    • markw | October 28, 2010 at 2:19 pm |

      I cannot vouch for the legitimacy of the Nats prototype that is linked to here, but what I think is interesting is that this is a photo of an actual item (as opposed to a drawing), and there’s imprinted text on a tag on the front right inside tail(?) of the shirt. And the left inside tail is folded back to make sure that the text is visible. I’d guess that the text is visible to track the prototypes and so that everyone knows which version (WAS-HM-D2-1-2011) we are talking about….

  • allenjd | October 28, 2010 at 8:37 am |

    > Greg Shaheen, the NCAA’s Executive VP of Championships and > Business Strategies

    …and John Feinstein’s punching bag

    • MN | October 28, 2010 at 10:21 am |

      Allen-Be nice to Junior today, his wife just gave birth to a baby girl. The NCAA deserves to be punched its a joke…….

  • Dane | October 28, 2010 at 8:48 am |

    The Pittsburgh Penguins are set to unveil their Winter Classic uniform this afternoon. Here is the latest “leaked’ image of the sweater.

  • War Damn Eagle | October 28, 2010 at 9:07 am |

    If the Nats are going to script lettering on the home jersey, why wouldn’t they follow the lettering they used for their “Natstown” promotional stuff? Instead of a capitalized N, it was a very large lowercase N. That doesn’t match this prototype photo that’s floating around.

    Those don’t match the prototype jersey:

    • Chance Michaels | October 28, 2010 at 9:24 am |

      There’s a difference between something used in the occassional promotion and something sewn across your players’ chests. You do that, and the scrutiny goes way up.

      Personally, I like the prototype’s lettering much better, legit or not. I hope it’s real.

      • JTH | October 28, 2010 at 10:32 am |

        I agree. The N on that questionable prototype complements the W on the cap/road jersey script quite nicely, unlike the one on that “natsTown” script.

  • ScottyM | October 28, 2010 at 9:10 am |

    “They submit the artwork and designs online, so that we can take a look and offer any suggestions or feedback before the uniforms are actually produced.”

    Oh, brother. The uniform gestapo.

  • Mike | October 28, 2010 at 9:10 am |

    If you believe the NCAA simply allowed the maker’s mark to appear on the chest becuase of refreshing bylaws into game rules, and not at the urging of a behemoth shoe company, I have a bridge to sell you.

  • Terry Proctor | October 28, 2010 at 9:11 am |

    Great article regarding the NCAA basketball uniforms. My question is “Who affixes the compliance logos to the uniforms after they’re approved? The manufacturer? The NCAA directly? Who?” And another question-Is the logo a hologram that can be read by a scanner to avoid counterfeits? Inquiring minds want to know.

    Methinks I smell a rat in the woodpile here. All of this “compliance” bullcrap leads me to wonder if the NCAA isn’t setting the stage for all of their uniforms to be manufactured by one single company, ala the major sports leagues. If this is indeed the NCAA’s plan to go to a single maker imagine how lucrative such a contract would be for the lucky firm. And of course the NCAA would take their more than substantial cut right off the top. I shudder to speculate on the carnage such a bidding process amongst the uniform heavyweights would bring about. Nike, Reebok/adidas and Under Armour are the “Big Three” right now, but if the process is indeed fair and open to all legitimate bidders then what’s to stop a smaller or an upstart company from entering the fray. This whole scenario could be very interesting. Stay tuned.

    • Paul Lukas | October 28, 2010 at 9:29 am |

      The compliance logo is not a hologram. It is woven into the jersey by the manufacturer, as you can see here:

      I have plenty of doubts about the NCAA, but I don’t think they’re gearing up for a single-maker system.

      • Terry Proctor | October 28, 2010 at 9:56 am |

        So let’s say that if you’re a small D-III state school with a three-year uniform cycle and you want to use a two-year old uniform this season that still meets the NCAA rules you have to return it to the manufacturer to have the logo affixed, yes? Who pays? Certainly not the NCAA. They sit there in their castle in INDIANapolis (I find it ironic that the NCAA has a hissy fit if a school uses an Indian name or logo but the association itself is quartered in a state and city named after Native Americans. “Do as we say, not as we do.”)and dictate to the serfs (member schools) below them.

        • JTH | October 28, 2010 at 10:13 am |

          If the program doesn’t become mandatory for another three years, what would compel them to comply now if it’s going to cost them money to do so?

          And why would the manufacturers make the schools pony up the dough? I’d think they’d be more than willing to provide this service at no cost to the institutions if it gives them a chance to slap their logos on the shirts.

        • Chance Michaels | October 28, 2010 at 2:19 pm |

          Excuse me? Did the NCAA name the state?

          I’m not a huge fan of the organization, but since you brought it up what they’re doing about native nicknames is worthy of more praise than scorn.

  • Chance Michaels | October 28, 2010 at 9:28 am |

    Another Tweed? I’m in.

  • Jack | October 28, 2010 at 9:35 am |

    If that is the new Nats jersey- WOW! Less is more. As long as they get rid of the crappy name and number font it will be an instant classic.

  • CMoney | October 28, 2010 at 9:39 am |

    Did anyone see the clip of the bulls vs thunder on sportscenter? They showed Derrick Rose tying his shorts it was a white string. It may have been undershorts or something, but I thought the new jerseys had matching color strings in them.

    • JTH | October 28, 2010 at 9:59 am |

      I didn’t see it but I did notice in one of the pics linked in the NBA Preview on Page 2 that Joakim Noah had a red drawstring on his white shorts and thought it was odd.

  • Chris in Nashville | October 28, 2010 at 9:42 am |

    Is it weird that when I was putting on my shirt this morning and missed the second button down, I immediately thought about the Pedro Porthole?

  • Jason Hillyer | October 28, 2010 at 9:42 am |

    I’ve been a ThrowbackMax customer for two years or so now. As an old Browns fan I like the AAFC items and when I go to my yearly game in Cleveland I’m pretty sure that I’m the only one there with a Jacksonville Bulls (Brian Sipe’s last pro team) hoodie.

    Their stuff is good quality. They ship quickly. The one return I had was easy. I don’t know if this coupon code is still good (it was on my last order), but type “throwbackmax” at checkout and save 15%.

  • Steve Naismith | October 28, 2010 at 9:53 am |

    “C. Gildehaus thinks this may be the first World Series in which both teams’ starting catchers wore the hockey-style masks. Perhaps someone with absolutely nothing worthwhile to do today could check on this for us.”

    09: Posada N, Ruiz N
    08: Ruiz N, Navarro N
    07: Varitek N, Torrealba N
    06: Molina Y, Rodriguez N
    05: Pierzynski N, Ausmus Y
    04: Varitek N, Matheny Y
    03: Rodriguez N, Posada N
    02: Molina Y, Santiago N
    01: Miller N, Posada N
    00: Posada N, Piazza N
    99: Posada N, Perez N

  • Jeremy | October 28, 2010 at 9:55 am |

    “Ty Halpin: Every division, every gender.”

    every gender?

    • RS Rogers | October 28, 2010 at 11:25 am |

      It is, if anything, even more important to enforce uniform rules for smizmar basketball programs then for men’s and women’s.

  • JTH | October 28, 2010 at 9:56 am |

    Dang. I can’t get those Google docs to load up (and yes, I have an account).

    Anyone else having trouble with those?

    • JTH | October 28, 2010 at 10:03 am |

      Never mind. Working now.

  • Lose R | October 28, 2010 at 9:59 am |

    Love the TicketStubCollection site, but the article about WS stubs says:
    “Sad but true: Ticket stubs for the post season are incredibly bland. They don’t vary much from year to year, barely have space for the home team’s logo, and you can forget about knowing the opponent just by looking at the stub.”

    And he shows a 1958 WS stub to prove his point and that stub says:

    “National League vs. American League” (with the year and the home team Milwaukee Braves listed). So no difference, other than the generic issue, which is huge.

  • interlockingtc | October 28, 2010 at 10:01 am |

    “UW: What was the past rationale for the playing rules not allowing manufacturers’ logos on jerseys? I mean, what was the original thinking on that? And whatever that thinking was, has it now changed?

    Halpin: I think that probably underscores how long ago these original rules were written. It dates back to the days before that was a common thing, and nobody really thought about the bylaws superceding it until we started having this larger discussion about the uniform rule. It was just one of those evolutionary steps that needed to occur.”

    Hmmmm….”It was just one of those evolutionary steps that needed to occur.”

    Well, that explains everything.

  • Thom | October 28, 2010 at 10:21 am |

    I thought the New Yorker cartoon was great, particularly in light of recent happenings in the NFL. As for the accuracy of the drawings; get real. It’s a cartoon. You need to get out more.

    • JTH | October 28, 2010 at 10:38 am |

      Irony, thy name is Thom.

    • Paul Lukas | October 28, 2010 at 11:11 am |

      Sign this guy up for an ESPN commenting account.

    • stannate | October 28, 2010 at 12:13 pm |

      Yet another New Yorker cartoon that can be improved by the ultimate caption.

  • Luther Mahoney | October 28, 2010 at 10:38 am |

    Re.:John Wetteland’s 1996 World Series cap.

    I remember this story that Michael Kay told
    during the Yankees radio broadcast of that series. Wetteland was one of two players who
    wanted to keep their old caps for the series. A
    New Era rep then showed up at the Yankee
    clubhouse a day before the series started with
    an iron press to place the series patch on the side of the caps for those players who wanted to
    keep their caps. When the rep ironed the patch
    on Wetteland’s cap,the rep said that the smell from cap was so strong that he had never smelled anything that bad in his life.

  • Jim Vilk | October 28, 2010 at 10:47 am |

    I like the shots of the NBA court designs. Gotta say the Warriors is the biggest upgrade.

    Golden State not only uses the Bay Bridge in the logo, they use a model of it for the pregame introductions:
    Of course, the AP caption writer and the Houston announcers called it the Golden Gate Bridge.

    Utah’s court looks better than last year’s as well. And although I like Cleveland’s unis better than last year’s, the new court design is pretty much a lateral move.

    • JTH | October 28, 2010 at 11:16 am |

      I love that Bay Bridge entrance runway. Any idea if it’s a permanent thing or just an opening-night special?

      • Jim Vilk | October 28, 2010 at 11:29 am |

        I’d like to think they’d use it more than once. Their next home game is during my free NBA preview, so I’ll find out then.

      • ScottyM | October 28, 2010 at 12:23 pm |

        It’s gotta little Jackie Moon vibe to it, doesn’t it?

        A vibe which, of course, he pulled from the greatest pro basketball movie of all time… “The Fish that Saved Pittsburgh.”

    • concealed78 | October 28, 2010 at 2:29 pm |

      Well I have to say I’m still disappointed with the Bulls design – they’re still using that generic basketball design that was prevalent during the mid-to-late 1990s courts, and use a wordmark that doesn’t match anything else. In a concept I made earlier, they should remove the basketball and restore the wordmark, and maybe even revert the old Chicago Stadium floor red version:

      • JTH | October 28, 2010 at 3:20 pm |

        I agree with everything you said except for the part about the red. I like the way the black makes the red paint of the logos and the key stand out.

        Also, if I’m not mistaken, the basketball is a more brownish color this year. If they did alter it, why not just completely remove it?

  • teenchy | October 28, 2010 at 11:24 am |

    Thanks for the very thorough article. I’m very displeased by the NCAA info. While professional sports teams may have difficulty existing outside a league, colleges and universities exist outside the NCAA. I could easily see a CFA/NCAA v. Board of Regents restraint-of-trade suit being filed, though in today’s pro-corporate judicial environment it may not be successful.

    As for the Nats prototype, I like it. Between that and Mike Rizzo’s front-office activity the franchise may soon be a laughingstock no more.

  • Richard | October 28, 2010 at 11:24 am |

    The whole “authentication” thing really does feel like a rationalization for the branding.

    Are there illustrations of recent uniforms of questionable legality in D1 basketball?

    • JTH | October 28, 2010 at 11:26 am |

      I’d imagine this one wouldn’t make the cut.

      • ScottyM | October 28, 2010 at 12:24 pm |

        No way. It’s a great uniform. Very popular, too.

        So popular Iowa copied it.

      • Richard | October 28, 2010 at 12:38 pm |


        It just strikes me as odd that the stated reason for the program didn’t come with examples of offending uniforms.

        • ScottyM | October 28, 2010 at 2:19 pm |

          Actually, I stand corrected.

          Purdue’s uniform must change for 2011, according to an insider who says the road uniforms will have gold numbers and letters:

          “…in response to a NCAA rule outlawing same color numbering with jersey color.”

        • Aaron | October 28, 2010 at 2:29 pm |

          That will be a very sad day in Boiler-land. That jersey is downright awesome.

        • Adam | October 28, 2010 at 3:02 pm |

          As a Purdue alum, I have to agree that it’ll be sad to see the all-black jersey go. The things look cool, they’re great in person, but admittedly, hard to read on tv, even in HD.

        • Aaron | October 28, 2010 at 3:38 pm |

          I do have to agree with that. I remember when they were unveiled, they pictures looked great, and in person they look great. TV, not so much. On the other hand, the white jerseys, which I was initially “eh” about have really grown on me.

          Now let’s stop talking about Purdue basketball before I start lamenting Hummel’s knee.

  • Matthew Robins | October 28, 2010 at 11:27 am |

    Loved the interview with both parties. Classic UniWatch and exclusive info that you couldn’t find anywhere else, but here. Now for something a tad different, please enjoy this photo of Wrigley Field, sans dirt (getting ready for the Northwestern/Illinois Football game next month)

    • Paul Lukas | October 28, 2010 at 11:35 am |

      I have to say, I’m really humbled and gratified by the very positive response to today’s entry. I was worried it might be too long! Thanks, guys.

    • Kyle O. | October 28, 2010 at 1:41 pm |

      Absolutely great read Paul.

      I wasn’t going to post my blog on here but I too have some pictures of the Wrigley Field transition that I received from the Wrigley Field Ambassadors and posted yesterday.

      My blog is not uni-related and barely sports related, which is why I haven’t mentioned it but there are some pictures of Wrigley Field with grass.

  • pflava | October 28, 2010 at 11:35 am |
    • George | October 28, 2010 at 3:50 pm |

      At the risk of being un-PC, the kicker on that outfit would have been to rub some white powder onto the kid’s nose….

  • mulliken | October 28, 2010 at 11:48 am |

    regarding the toronto fc design contest – adidas’ obsession with the three-stripe motif is hindering their uniform design. not all that long ago, adidas actually did produce uniforms without the three-stripes cluttering the shoulders – think real madrid in 2000 or liverpool 91-95 – but nowadays forget it. i realize that the three-stripe motif is their thing, but it really is ruining some uniforms that would, otherwise, look really sharp.

    it’s also giving the edge to nike and puma – their designs look better because they aren’t so obsessed with having three stripes in a contrasting color running down the arm. puma, especially, is probably making the best uniforms in football right now.

    just look at spurs, arsenal, and chelsea. spurs and arsenal look great, chelsea look like crap.

    • Andy | October 28, 2010 at 12:17 pm |

      I agree. The three stripes need to be there, but they needn’t be a focal design element. I don’t really know of any other manufacturer who uses their logo as a focal design element on all their sports uniforms. Usually it just sits on the collar, or sleeve, or wherever, waving hello in case you ever needed to know who makes this jersey.

      • LI Phil | October 28, 2010 at 3:04 pm |


        because an actual…ya know…LOGO wouldn’t really identify the jersey

        no offense, andy, but adidas is the devil

  • Jim Vilk | October 28, 2010 at 11:52 am |

    I’ll pile on with the kudos for today’s piece, Paul.

    All the stuff on the jerseys makes me wonder if they’ll eventually put the NCAA or conference logo on the numbers, the way the soccer leagues do:×314.jpg

    Then they might be able to go back to slightly bigger numbers? Too many new designs have small thin numbers that are harder to read if you’re at the game or not watching on a big screen.

  • kyle. | October 28, 2010 at 12:16 pm |

    i read somewhere last week that tim lincecum has worn the same hat since he was called up in 2007. i fully expected a clean patch on a rancid hat.

    i looked into it this morning and here’s an article where he says he’s always liked the older hats.

    • Chance Michaels | October 28, 2010 at 2:44 pm |

      Unfortunately, that article’s a little out of date. Thanks to the Giants’ merchandising machine, Tim Lincecum’s streak of “every game, one cap” was broken this year.

      • Sean | October 28, 2010 at 8:03 pm |

        Actually, the basic black cap is the same one. But the holiday hats started in ’08 actually broke the “streak”.

  • Chris Roberts | October 28, 2010 at 12:41 pm |

    hey I don’t know if this has been covered yet but in your NBA preview, you said that the teams with pinstripes couldn’t have the new jersey fabric because stripes couldn’t be recreated on the new mesh.

    You can clearly see the Hornets are using the new jersey style in this pic

    Same thing for the Magic

    I can’t find a good pic of the Bobcats jerseys but I’m assuming they’re doing it also

    • Paul Lukas | October 28, 2010 at 12:51 pm |

      Not the same kind of mesh. They’re using the old flat-back mesh. The new engineered mesh isn’t pinstripe-friendly.

      Sounds like a distinction without a difference, I know (and maybe it is), but it’s two separate fabrics.

      • Chris Roberts | October 28, 2010 at 1:01 pm |

        Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.

  • Chris Holder | October 28, 2010 at 12:47 pm |

    I must have missed it the first time, but holy crap – that script “Nationals” by Larry Torrez looks great. I can’t believe he didn’t receive any response from the organization. If I were them, I would have been begging to use that for the uniform redesign.

    If the Nats go with the prototype that’s floating around, it’ll be an upgrade over what they currently have. But I think Mr. Torrez’s design would be an all-time classic.

    • Paul Lukas | October 28, 2010 at 12:53 pm |

      No major-level team will even consider a fan-submitted design anymore, because it opens up too big a can of worms involving intellectual property, royalties, etc.

  • Jeff | October 28, 2010 at 1:09 pm |

    Oh, for the days of the Robert Indiana design on the floor of the old MECCA Arena in Milwaukee. (Flashes Uni Watch membership card with said design.) Those new NBA floor designs don’t do much for me. Nor does much of anything else associated with the NBA. I used to be passionate about it, but not for a long time.

    • Jim Vilk | October 28, 2010 at 2:10 pm |

      I know what you mean. Last year was the first time I got really excited about the NBA since the mid-to-late 80s. They’ve reeled me back in for now.

      Some of the new floors and unis are improving, but I also miss the floors that weren’t team specific, like the HemisFair, McNichols (loved the distinctive sound of the horn at that place), the MECCA and others.

  • Mark | October 28, 2010 at 1:28 pm |

    So I was watching “The Social Network” the other day and noticed there is a historical innaccuracy that takes place.

    The movie takes place in 2003/2004, and during one scene, one of the rowers is wearing a Buffalo Bills 2008 sideline knit. Thought you would find this interesting and see if we could uncover if they paid any attention to it.

    • Kek | October 28, 2010 at 2:04 pm |

      That’s funny. I was listening to a podcast interview of one of the producers and they were talking about the painstaking detail they took to get all the technology stuff time period accurate as far as the computers and phones used.

      Guess they let sports details slide!

      • Chance Michaels | October 28, 2010 at 2:46 pm |

        Surprising, because they’d usually have to get permission to wear a team’s logo in a movie.

  • Michael Koch | October 28, 2010 at 1:33 pm |

    The Pittsburgh Penguins just unveiled their Winter Class uniforms

    • Michael Koch | October 28, 2010 at 1:33 pm |

      Winter CLASSIC, rather

      • LI Phil | October 28, 2010 at 4:30 pm |

        “Winter CLASSIC, rather”

        classic my ass

        god forbid they could have actually used the powder blue on which this one was based

        /not masculine/hip/fresh enough for the kiddies

        • Kek | October 28, 2010 at 4:56 pm |

          I don’t think they had a problem with the color being not masculine enough, they’ve been selling powder blue like hot cakes since the first WC. Why not flip the script?

        • Nate | October 28, 2010 at 5:16 pm |

          The powder blue jerseys that they’ve had since their Winter Classic in Buffalo (I think that’s when they started at least) are TOO popular, I think. Going to a game, or seeing the seats on TV, it’s tough to tell what the home team’s colors are. I’d estimate somewhere between a third and a half of the jerseys you see are powder blue.

          So I *hope* that went into their choice to make this dark blue, so that they don’t stand out so much in the new arena’s seats.

    • Gusto44 | October 28, 2010 at 3:43 pm |

      I think the reaction on these jerseys will be 50-50. There are some people who preferred the dark blue of the mid to late 70s, or the black/yellow of the 90s. Usually, I’m in favor of the accurate throwback, but this is one of those cases where a blend of styles works well, like the Steelers throwbacks. The light blue striping on the uniform is a nice touch.

      The scarf wearing penguin was surprising absent from the bland 1967-68 inaugural uniforms, which were possibly the worst of the Expansion Six. Always felt the scarf penguin was one of those underrated logos which deserved to be remembered.

  • Sean | October 28, 2010 at 3:01 pm |

    In regards to Tim Lincecum’s hat, he has stated numerous times that this is the cap he wore for his MLB debut vs. Philly in ’97 and that it’s the only one he’s worn except for when the Giants wear special caps. (Sundays this season, the stupid holiday hats etc..)

    • George | October 28, 2010 at 3:59 pm |

      I’m guessing you meant 2007 for his debut? Because dude would have been all of 13 years old in 1997….

    • WSCopic | October 28, 2010 at 4:42 pm |

      Must have meant 2007. I had to look twice at that one. :)

    • Sean | October 28, 2010 at 8:01 pm |

      Yeah, dyslexia really sucks…..I ment ’07

  • Terry D. | October 28, 2010 at 4:56 pm |

    Where did you find that Nicks Uni?! Months ago, I was looking for a good color-shot of the uniform (I would come up empty, but found lots of other good stuff).

  • Terry D. | October 28, 2010 at 4:57 pm |


  • hodges14 | October 28, 2010 at 5:13 pm |

    Okay this has something to do with sports. If anyone is a fan of Mike Posner, you know he went to Duke. I watched his Music Video for Please Don’t Go, and I noticed something rather odd in the video. Apparently he wears a Duke jacket but sleeps in Ohio University pajamas.

    Pause at the 22 second mark.

    I only found this interesting because I’m applying to Ohio U.

  • PatrickinMI | October 28, 2010 at 6:46 pm |

    Never realized how many NBA arenas are named “Sponsor” Center. When did center replace arena? Sort of reminds me when baseball started going retro (Camden Yards, et al) and started calling them parks instead of stadiums.

    • chris | October 29, 2010 at 12:58 am |

      The Thunder played in the Ford Center the past two years, only the name just lapsed and the team is shopping the rights. So for now all broadcasts refer to it as “The Oklahoma City Arena,” and before the season all you heard was “the Downtown Arena.” Honestly, I hate naming rights as much as anyone else, but it feels so bland now. Don’t wanna keep saying The Ford Center, even though the name is still on the building, because they’re not paying for the it, and it was taxes that built that place, but the two currently used names just feel “NE Coach” to me. Wouldn’t want to rebrand and rebrand, but give it some kinda name. Name it after Mayor Mick, whatever, call it Mick Cornett Arena, then when the name sells, give him a plaque. Lol. I know, I know, wasted money. I guess it could be called MAPS Arena (MAPS was the vote/tax that paid for it), so it could be worse. Everyone here says it oughta be Sonic Center (OKC, home of Sonic Drive-In), out of spite to the haters up you know where, but let’s not start any more battles and just move on. Won’t be Chesapeake Energy, Devon Energy, or any of the big banks, because of their already huge presence in the arena. Why pay tens of millions to add three more signs when you’re already on 300 in the building? Then again…

      • Damian | October 29, 2010 at 5:56 pm |

        Just refer to it by the street it’s on?

  • interlockingtc | October 28, 2010 at 7:57 pm |

    I think, all things considered, Portland has the best looking court. Big, abstract logo, no corporate advertising, no two-toned wood. I do miss their their original logo, though.

    The Heat and Raptors logos look good as well in this context.

    • scott | October 29, 2010 at 6:49 am |

      Better than the Boston Garden parquet? Nonsense.

  • Kevin Grimstad | October 28, 2010 at 8:43 pm |

    Edgar Renteria’s F on his batting helmet is off kilter. It looks as if the decal was sloppily applied.

    • LI Phil | October 28, 2010 at 9:20 pm |

      speaking of the devil…

      watching the game on “espn america” via atdhe…which sucks, but at least it’s in english (with espn announcers, it sounds like)…no idea where the feed is coming from but im not complaining

      noticed senor renteria’s “F” even on this shitty small res feed

    • Paul Lukas | October 28, 2010 at 9:39 pm |

      It’s been like that since the NLCS. This screen shot was in the Ticker on Monday:

  • the_benallen | October 28, 2010 at 9:48 pm |

    John Wall switched shoes at halftime? He wore black and blue zigtech in the first half and now he’s wearing white and blue zigtechs? anyone know anything?

  • Gpotiger | October 28, 2010 at 10:18 pm |

    Auburn will be wearing their home blue at Ole Miss Saturday at Mississippi’s request. Word is UM will unveil a gray jerseys. But maybe they will wear their red and we can have a color on color match.

  • LI Phil | October 28, 2010 at 11:16 pm |

    *bang bang*

    looking so forward to brinke’s box score

    • =bg= | October 28, 2010 at 11:33 pm |

      But of course. Two down……..two to go.

      October 28, 2010

      Texas 0, San Francisco 9 at AT&T Park
      Texas Record: (0-2)
      San Francisco Record: (2-0)

      Winning pitcher – Matt Cain (1-0)
      Losing pitcher – C.J. Wilson (0-1)