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Had a great time in Cleveland, but I’ll get to that tomorrow or the day after. For now, let’s talk football, because NFL training camp season has begun. And thanks to the league’s fancy new policy of allowing teams to wear ads on their practice jerseys, training camp is much more uni-notable than in years past. You’ve probably seen some of the ad patches by now, but here’s a fairly complete roundup of what’s been out there so far (with more to follow as additional teams unveil their practice attire):

• The Jets are wearing an Atlantic Health ad patch, but it doesn’t look so bad, in part because they normally wear a patch in that spot anyway, and in part because you can’t even make out what it is. I had to go searching to find what the logo is actually supposed to look like, and it turns out it’s more Jets-based than ad-based. Kinda makes you wonder why they bothered.

• Hmmm, you think the Bears’ University HealthSystem ad patch is big enough?

• Guess it makes sense that the Pats would be sponsored by Gillette, but holy shit does it look awful.

• The Titans are wearing their Baptist Sports Medicine, same as always.

• I suppose there’s something in the world sadder than the Bengals being sponsored by Spongetech. I just can’t imagine what it would be.

• At least four teams that were reportedly looking for jersey sponsors haven’t found them: the Broncos (who are instead wearing a 50th-anniversary patch, presumably as a “Your Ad Here” device), Chargers (ditto), Texans (semi-ditto, only with their helmet logo), and Packers (who are going patch-free, at least for now).

Still haven’t seen the ad patches being worn by the Colts and Giants, but those should be coming today or tomorrow. Of course, all of this pales in comparison to the big NFL news from over the weekend. In case you missed it, I’m of course referring to the return of the creamsicles in Tampa. Love ’em or hate ’em, one thing’s clear: Those socks are the bomb.

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Membership Update: We’re closing in on our 800th member, thanks to new enrollees like Jerry Adams, whose card is based on this old Baltimore Bullets uni. As always, you can check out all the designs in the membership card gallery and make the membership scene yourself by signing up here.

Chat Alert: I’ll be doing a live web chat this Friday on ESPN.com, probably at either noon or 1pm eastern. Full details to follow shortly.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Major helmet logo problems yesterday for Micah Hoffpauir (screen shots courtesy of Paul Mazzarella). ”¦ Mark Penxa, whose gorgeous baseball watercolors were first featured on this site last year, is selling a bunch of his stuff way cheap. Highly recommended. ”¦ What could be better than hitching a ride on the bullpen buggy? (With thanks to Kevin Walsh.) ”¦ You’ve seen them by now, but here’s another look at the Bills’ throwbacks (with thanks to Mark Szlachetka). ”¦ Joe Skiba is back with a new training camp edition of Equipped. ”¦ What if World War II had been fought as a hockey tournament, with the Americans, Russians, Nazis, and all the other countries fighting it out on the ice? It’s an odd project, but an entertaining one, and Johnny Griswold has run with it. ”¦ Speaking of unusual concepts, Marc Swanson has imagined what the Bucs, Jags, and Seahawks might have looked like if they’d been in the AFL back in the early ’60s. ”¦ Anyone know why Roman Gabriel would have been playing with white stuff on his face, not to mention no sleeve stripes? (Screen shot courtesy of Claude Jacques.) ”¦ New football uniforms for Cal Poly. ”¦ The Muskegon Lumberjacks have unveiled a 50th-anniversary logo — and it was designed by Marc Okkonen! ”¦ Scott Turner was attired like so for Saturday’s Mets/D-backs game and says, “Mets ushers, food-order takers, food-bringers, fans, and the guys at the Lemon Ice King of Corona all either a) commented positively on my tee, or b) asked where they could get it. To the former, I said ‘You know, you’re now about to get fired by the Wilpons.’ The latter, steered them to No Mas.” ”¦ We’ve all seen pics of the Hollywood Stars’ shorts, but Paul Wiederecht found a version I hadn’t seen before: solid jersey with non-pinstriped shorts. ”¦ Also from Paul: The 1951 Padres (who were part of the Pacific Coast League at the time) wore solid-color jerseys with collars! ”¦ Roger Faso spotted lots of problems in this photo: “When the A’s wore that style of jersey, Rickey’s number was 35. He didn’t wear 24, in Oakland, until 1989, when they were in their current style. And here’s the kicker: The stripe pattern from that era was green-yellow-green, not yellow-green-yellow. Not to mention that the font is all wrong. I’m done with baseball this season.” ”¦ Anyone know why one member of the White Sox grounds crew wears a yellow jersey? (As spotted by Dylan Buell.) ”¦ Scott Rolen is still wearing his No. 33 batting gloves (good spot by Michael Kinney). ”¦ New third kit for Newcastle United (with thanks to Ross Hazlett). ”¦ Hmmm, is Tennessee switching to a black facemask? (As spotted by Josh Williams.) ”¦ Adidas has extended its UEFA agreement through the 2011-12 season and released new soccer ball designs for the UEFA Champions League, the UEFA Super Cup, and the UEFA Europe League (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm). ”¦ The Bengals’ 1980s uniforms look even weirder in electric football (as noted by Brinke Guthrie). ”¦ Absolutely AWESOME catalog page devoted to those little plastic bread-tag thingies here (great find, Kirsten). ”¦ Those Phiten-branded socks look even worse as part of a throwback uni. ”¦ A guy in Detroit has built a Green Monster replica in his yard (with thanks to Tom Konecny). ”¦ We all know that players like Dick Allen and John Olerud wore batting helmets while playing the field. But here’s another member of that club who I hadn’t been aware of: Dave Roberts of the Padres, circa 1973 (nice find by Doug Keklak).

 
  
 
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Comments (197)

    Ah, the Hollywood Stars. Remember going to the famous L.A. Farmers Market in February of ’55, and Gilmore Field was virtually next door. Just looming there, quiet. I so wished it was during the season so Dad and I could have seen a PCL game.

    Timing is everything, isn’t it.

    Welcome back, Paul. And thanks to Phil for his usual excellent job.

    —Ricko

    Know what else? We’d best prepare oursleves for advertising patches on game jerseys in the NFL (and probably the other major sports, too). There are just enough NFL people involved with Arena Football—and, of course, NFL Europe—to have learned it’s a source of revenue.

    Not saying it’s good. Just saying…it’s coming.

    —Ricko

    I think the WWII thing is in seriously POOR taste…as a Jew, I am almost offended…

    The Jags AFL throwbacks are pretty F-ing AWESOME though!

    Maybe Gabriel had just gotten tackled on one of the yard lines. That looks like chalk all over his face.

    That might be a bandage on Roman Gabriel’s face. I’ve seen that picture before, and since that facemask doesn’t protect much, I always thought he may have been injured during the game.

    This…
    link
    …looks like the stuff lifeguards used to put on their noses (magnesium?). Wonder if it was a real hot day or something. Or maybe he had a sunburn he didn’t want to make any worse?
    As to the jerseys, that was the Eagles uni for a number of years in late ’60s, early ’70s. No sleeve stripes at home, either. And for most of, if not all, those seasons, they wore kelly green SpotBilt cleats.
    In addition to Gabriel, guys like Norm Snead, Pete Liske and John Reaves played QB for Eagles during that time.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”343536″]That might be a bandage on Roman Gabriel’s face. I’ve seen that picture before, and since that facemask doesn’t protect much, I always thought he may have been injured during the game.[/quote]
    Adding to the sleeve stripes comment, maybe changed jerseys because of blood. The bandage on his face looks like he got popped pretty good.

    [quote]Welcome back, Paul.[/quote]

    DITTO!!!

    [quote]And thanks to Phil for his usual excellent job.[/quote]

    thanks rick, but i’m sure we’re all glad paul is back…i know i am…thanks to all the great UWers for putting up with my hijinx

    I think magnesium works to prevent chaffing and chapping if it’s really cold, too. So maybe it was that.

    —Ricko

    [quote]looks like the stuff lifeguards used to put on their noses (magnesium?).[/quote]

    that stuff is zinc oxide (takes me back to three years as a lifeguard back when asia was popular and the police hadn’t yet broken up…the first time…ah memories)

    you may be right though…ivan lendl and other tennis players would occasionally wear that…looks a little too “white” to be zinc oxide tho, but it may have been a similar product

    Roman Gabriel photo is from 1973, his first year with the team. They still wore the white helmet/green wings and the uniform had no shoulder striping (1970 – 1973). As for the white material around his mouth, looks like something to prevent windburn/chapping.

    Eagles had a running back named Ron “Po” James during that era.

    When asked how he got the nickame, he replied, “Cuz we was.”

    —Ricko

    The yellow White Sox jersey may signify the lucky dog who got the chance to be part of the ground crew for a day. I seem to remember hearing about that on a broadcast.

    [quote comment=”343541″][quote]looks like the stuff lifeguards used to put on their noses (magnesium?).[/quote]

    that stuff is zinc oxide (takes me back to three years as a lifeguard back when asia was popular and the police hadn’t yet broken up…the first time…ah memories)

    you may be right though…ivan lendl and other tennis players would occasionally wear that…looks a little too “white” to be zinc oxide tho, but it may have been a similar product[/quote]

    Zinc oxide, yes. Thank you. Couldn’t think of it to save my life.

    Re: Green Monster Article

    The article cuts off about half way on the website, but if you click on the “Print” button below the by-line, the whole article will appear in a pop-up window; you then have the option of printing or reading and closing.

    Pete Rose wore a helmet in the field when the Mets fans were throwing bottles at him after the Harrelson fight.

    I found another picture of Gabriel in the Eagles uniform (1973, I think). No white face. But no sleeve stripes either.

    link

    [quote comment=”343543″]Eagles had a running back named Ron “Po” James during that era.

    When asked how he got the nickame, he replied, “Cuz we was.”

    —Ricko[/quote]

    At New Mexico State (1968-71), he had set the NCAA record for most consecutive 100-yd rushing games by a freshman with eight.

    [quote comment=”343546″]Re: Green Monster Article

    The article cuts off about half way on the website, but if you click on the “Print” button below the by-line, the whole article will appear in a pop-up window; you then have the option of printing or reading and closing.[/quote]

    Clicking the link for page 2 also works :-)

    [quote comment=”343544″]The yellow White Sox jersey may signify the lucky dog who got the chance to be part of the ground crew for a day. I seem to remember hearing about that on a broadcast.[/quote]

    As leader of that stage of the field-dragging he was awarded the “Mellow Johnny”.

    [quote comment=”343540″]I think magnesium works to prevent chaffing and chapping if it’s really cold, too. So maybe it was that.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    And I think he’s wearing a long-sleeved Eagles jersey — not a long-sleeved shirt under his shoulder pads as what might be done today.

    Those Bengals practice jerseys look better than what they usually wear.

    Patch or no patch.

    Really like the AFL concept look for the Jags. Neat idea.

    Also, I feel the need to comment on the Braves’ city-flag look from the weekend: they’ve used that color combo before, late 30’s in Boston; I think it related to their brief name change from Braves to Bees

    link

    Here is a link that talks about a way you can “drag the infield”. Says nothing about getting an ugly yellow jersey
    link

    Johnny Griswold’s WWII hockey sweater concepts are out-friggin-standing. Beautiful, clean, classic design. Kudos to you, sir.

    I also love Marc Swanson’s “what if?” 60s AFL concepts. How about one for the Carolina Panthers?

    I can certainly see how the WWII era jerseys would be offensive to a lot of people, that is certainly a risky project to under take. That’s why I am so hesitant to say that I love the design of both the Russian and Nazi uniforms. Horrific human atrocities aside, the designs are beautiful…. Please no one take that the wrong way. I do NOT support anything those jerseys stand for.

    RE: Ad’s on NFL practice uni’s. This is another one that is going to get me in trouble. I don’t mind the ads. I think it kind of adds to the otherwise bland and boring practice uni’s. Ads on game uni’s is another story though…

    Lots of discussion from the mets announcers regarding the d-back’s Alex Romero and his socks/sanis/etc.

    [quote comment=”343534″]I think the WWII thing is in seriously POOR taste…as a Jew, I am almost offended…[/quote]

    Why is it in poor taste? It certainly doesn’t celebrate the Nazis, or the Soviet Union or Japan or any other country. It is merely someone’s interpretation of what hockey jerseys for national teams during that time period may have looked like.

    Would it have been ok if the person who did this had also included a disclaimer about how EEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVIIIIIIILLLLLLL the Nazi’s were and how they murdered over 6,000,000 jews?

    Merely showing an imagined Nazi hockey jersey does not in any way constitute a celebration of or approval of anything the Nazi’s did

    [quote comment=”343557″]Johnny Griswold’s WWII hockey sweater concepts are out-friggin-standing. Beautiful, clean, classic design. Kudos to you, sir.

    I also love Marc Swanson’s “what if?” 60s AFL concepts. How about one for the Carolina Panthers?[/quote]

    re: Johnny’s concepts: EXCELLENT work, (as always) sir!

    thanks for the kudos, bernard! the AFL thing’s kind of a work in progress… i have a panthers concept about 85% complete.

    Yankee announcers Kay and Leiter did a nice rip yesterday on the yahoos who wear NOBs on their faux unis. Especially harsh words for the ones who do it with the #s 3,4,5, 7, etc…all while the YES camera people showed all the idiots at “I’m calling it Comiskey” who were doing so…

    Kay did however allow it MIGHT be ok on Tshirts..

    I,btw, own two Yankee replica jerseys – one with #3, and one with #7 – no NOB – none needed….

    The Cubs helmet logo is probably more apt to fall off, because it’s really an embroidered patch instead of a decal.

    [quote comment=”343555″]Really like the AFL concept look for the Jags. Neat idea.[/quote]

    absolutely! those are great…keep em comin’!!!

    [quote]Also, I feel the need to comment on the Braves’ city-flag look from the weekend: they’ve used that color combo before, late 30’s in Boston; I think it related to their brief name change from Braves to Bees

    link

    thanks jon…i should have realized when i did this that they had that colorscheme…

    as i said saturday, that combination (basically royal blue and gold) is one of the best combos out there and i wish more teams would either go back to it, or think about using it if they’re going to consider changing colors

    /of course, if a lot of teams did it, then it wouldn’t be so unique/beautiful

    [quote comment=”343562″]Yankee announcers Kay and Leiter did a nice rip yesterday on the yahoos who wear NOBs on their faux unis. Especially harsh words for the ones who do it with the #s 3,4,5, 7, etc…all while the YES camera people showed all the idiots at “I’m calling it Comiskey” who were doing so…

    Kay did however allow it MIGHT be ok on Tshirts..

    I,btw, own two Yankee replica jerseys – one with #3, and one with #7 – no NOB – none needed….[/quote]

    The problem with these shirts is that is how they sell them … it is nearly impossible to go into a sporting goods store and see a yankee jersey without the NOB. you can mock them, but it is not there fault.

    [quote comment=”343553″][quote comment=”343540″]I think magnesium works to prevent chaffing and chapping if it’s really cold, too. So maybe it was that.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    And I think he’s wearing a long-sleeved Eagles jersey — not a long-sleeved shirt under his shoulder pads as what might be done today.[/quote]

    3/4 sleeves still were pretty much standard issue back then, especially for players who’d been around awhile and were accustomed to them. Shortly thereafter the half-sleeve took that place, as the semi-mesh alternate jersey era began.

    When I get home I’ll dig out some photos of the Eagles from back then and post them…including the kelly green cleats.

    —Ricko

    re: AFL concept unis.
    Odds are they’d have worn white high socks on the road.
    In first season, six of the eight AFL teams did.
    Only LA Chargers and NY Titans wore same dark socks home and road.

    —Ricko

    The Jags are giving up the daily shaving during training camp, and some players, like Mo-Jo-Drew, will not shave for the entire season. They’re encouraging fans to join the movement.

    link

    Yankee announcers Kay and Leiter did a nice rip yesterday on the yahoos who wear NOBs on their faux unis. Especially harsh words for the ones who do it with the #s 3,4,5, 7, etc…all while the YES camera people showed all the idiots at “I’m calling it Comiskey” who were doing so…

    Kay did however allow it MIGHT be ok on Tshirts..

    I,btw, own two Yankee replica jerseys – one with #3, and one with #7 – no NOB – none needed….

    The problem with these shirts is that is how they sell them … it is nearly impossible to go into a sporting goods store and see a yankee jersey without the NOB. you can mock them, but it is not there fault.

    There is a link…

    [quote comment=”343568″]Oh man, does anoyone have(create) a non Flickrd link to those AFL concepts?[/quote]

    mike,

    check your email (the “contact@mp…”) one

    PH

    [quote comment=”343562″]Yankee announcers Kay and Leiter did a nice rip yesterday on the yahoos who wear NOBs on their faux unis. Especially harsh words for the ones who do it with the #s 3,4,5, 7, etc…all while the YES camera people showed all the idiots at “I’m calling it Comiskey” who were doing so…

    Kay did however allow it MIGHT be ok on Tshirts..

    I,btw, own two Yankee replica jerseys – one with #3, and one with #7 – no NOB – none needed….[/quote]

    Saw the damnedest thing at Citi during the Mets – Yankees SS: Some kid, couldn’t have been more than 11 or 12, was rocking an authentic Jeter jersey, except that someone, I’m assuming maybe it was mom, had sewn “J E T E R” in felt letters above the numbers. It looked REALLY bad, especially since it looked like Little Johnny himself had cut the letters out with a pair of dull scissors.

    You figured maybe his dad would have said something like “son, the Yankees have never worn names on the backs of their jerseys, and considering I just paid $150 for that thing, you ain’t wearing a name on the back of it either”.

    [quote comment=”343563″]The Cubs helmet logo is probably more apt to fall off, because it’s really an embroidered patch instead of a decal.[/quote]

    I’ve got more about the Cubs batting helmet link

    There HAS to be an official petition somewhere that is trying to impeach the Bills current disastrous uniform (arguably THE worst in the league) and make the throwback their OFFICIAL uniform. I’m just not a fan of the helmet logo, sorry.

    I’m geeked to see those Bucs throwbacks as well….but not geeked about the biker shorts as seen in that pic up there.

    … and as for those tampa unis, they are in my top 10 all-time, mostly because of the buc on the helmet.

    [quote comment=”343573″][quote comment=”343563″]The Cubs helmet logo is probably more apt to fall off, because it’s really an embroidered patch instead of a decal.[/quote]

    I’ve got more about the Cubs batting helmet link[/quote]

    And, if you get plunked, you could get your “C” knocked off.
    Look closely here…
    link

    —Ricko

    Has anyone seen the Buffalo Bills AFL white throw-back? The Bills made a beautiful blue throw-back, but the white version has arm stripes I don’t think the Bills have ever worn: link
    The Bills’ old white jersey should have blue stripes, outlined in red. The top & bottom stripes should be thinner than the middle stripes. This throw-back jersey is ugly!

    [quote comment=”343569″]The Jags are giving up the daily shaving during training camp, and some players, like Mo-Jo-Drew, will not shave for the entire season. They’re encouraging fans to join the movement.

    Think that’s what Roman Gabriel did.

    Continuing with the NFL teams that wore white for the entire season (home and away)…

    In 1972, two teams did so; the Cowboys and the Browns. However, the Browns wore brown at Miami in the divisional playoff game.

    Normally the Cardinals in their St Louis days would wear white at home against Dallas, but for whatever reason they stayed with red at home in ’72 vs. the ‘Boys.

    [quote comment=”343574″]There HAS to be an official petition somewhere that is trying to impeach the Bills current disastrous uniform (arguably THE worst in the league) and make the throwback their OFFICIAL uniform. I’m just not a fan of the helmet logo, sorry.[/quote]

    Not that it would change the hideousness of the jersey, but if they went with blue tops and white pants and steered away from that monochrome look it might help.

    The stripes on the blue pants don’t match with the stripe on the side of the jerseys. At least the white pants have that thick red stripe that lines up a tad bit better……

    [quote comment=”343577″]Has anyone seen the Buffalo Bills AFL white throw-back? The Bills made a beautiful blue throw-back, but the white version has arm stripes I don’t think the Bills have ever worn: link
    The Bills’ old white jersey should have blue stripes, outlined in red. The top & bottom stripes should be thinner than the middle stripes. This throw-back jersey is ugly![/quote]

    Sucks, doesn’t it.
    See post #5 from Saturday.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”343576″][quote comment=”343573″][quote comment=”343563″]The Cubs helmet logo is probably more apt to fall off, because it’s really an embroidered patch instead of a decal.[/quote]

    I’ve got more about the Cubs batting helmet link[/quote]

    And, if you get plunked, you could get your “C” knocked off.
    Look closely here…
    link

    —Ricko[/quote]
    Though not always… link

    Re: NFL practice uni adverts.
    It’s too bad the teams can’t display patches of businesses that would be apropos their names and in some cases might even be considered an enhancement. For example:

    Redskins: Mutual of Omaha
    Browns:UPS
    Ravens: Windex
    Colts: Ford Mustang-they aren’t SMU after all, Ricko :)
    Jaguars:Jaguar
    Steelers: USSteel-oh, wait, aren’t they already….
    Cowboys:Tampax

    [quote comment=”343586″]Re: NFL practice uni adverts.
    It’s too bad the teams can’t display patches of businesses that would be apropos their names and in some cases might even be considered an enhancement. For example:

    Redskins: Mutual of Omaha
    Browns:UPS
    Ravens: Windex
    Colts: Ford Mustang-they aren’t SMU after all, Ricko :)
    Jaguars:Jaguar
    Steelers: USSteel-oh, wait, aren’t they already….
    Cowboys:Tampax[/quote]

    Vikings: Lake Minnetonka Boat Cruises

    That Bills uniform would be awesome-ER if they used the white 1980’s helmet instead of the boring Buffalo.

    [quote comment=”343533″]Know what else? We’d best prepare oursleves for advertising patches on game jerseys in the NFL (and probably the other major sports, too). There are just enough NFL people involved with Arena Football—and, of course, NFL Europe—to have learned it’s a source of revenue.

    Not saying it’s good. Just saying…it’s coming.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I don’t think we’ll ever see it in regular season games. Remember how outraged baseball fans were a few years ago when MLB tried to put Spiderman stuff on the field? I think fans would be equally angered to see ads on uniforms as they would be to see ads on playing surfaces.

    [quote comment=”343588″]Bengals: Chico’s Bail Bonds[/quote]

    Shall we keep going?

    Lions: Any vacuum manufacturer.

    While the Bills frustrate us, we should give props to Tampa Bay for their throwback accuracy.
    Other than the white stripe being thicker on the sleeves and socks of the original creamsicles, those new versions are really good.
    Even kept the TV numbers on the sleeves instead of moving them to the shoulders as so many teams have done with their throwbacks.

    —Ricko

    Did anyone happen to save the pdf of the “ESPN Brand Identity Guide”? I went to go back and look at it, but they require a username and password now.

    [quote comment=”343590″][quote comment=”343533″]Know what else? We’d best prepare oursleves for advertising patches on game jerseys in the NFL (and probably the other major sports, too). There are just enough NFL people involved with Arena Football—and, of course, NFL Europe—to have learned it’s a source of revenue.

    Not saying it’s good. Just saying…it’s coming.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I don’t think we’ll ever see it in regular season games. Remember how outraged baseball fans were a few years ago when MLB tried to put Spiderman stuff on the field? I think fans would be equally angered to see ads on uniforms as they would be to see ads on playing surfaces.[/quote]

    I remember back in the day it was suggested that the proliferation of artificial surfaces on football fields would lead to them becoming giant billboards especially visible on tv.

    [quote comment=”343589″]That Bills uniform would be awesome-ER if they used the white 1980’s helmet instead of the boring Buffalo.[/quote]

    This one?

    link

    link

    Just got back from a long weekend in Cleveland and wanted to give a shout out to everyone who attended Thursday nights gathering. It was great to meet everyone. Vince, a big thanks to you and your girlfriend for showing Paul and myself some of the sights.

    Are all of the Buccaneers players going to wear such remarkably white shoes?
    I’ve never seen such a shoe display during one of those fashion shows.

    [quote comment=”343595″][quote comment=”343590″][quote comment=”343533″]Know what else? We’d best prepare oursleves for advertising patches on game jerseys in the NFL (and probably the other major sports, too). There are just enough NFL people involved with Arena Football—and, of course, NFL Europe—to have learned it’s a source of revenue.

    Not saying it’s good. Just saying…it’s coming.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I don’t think we’ll ever see it in regular season games. Remember how outraged baseball fans were a few years ago when MLB tried to put Spiderman stuff on the field? I think fans would be equally angered to see ads on uniforms as they would be to see ads on playing surfaces.[/quote]

    I remember back in the day it was suggested that the proliferation of artificial surfaces on football fields would lead to them becoming giant billboards especially visible on tv.[/quote]

    Instead, TV simply figured out how to do it with computer graphics. Must less work, and you can change the ad during the game.

    Ever notice the rotating ads behind the hitter in baseball are sometimes plain green? That’s the computer is deleting the ad that’s actually there (electronic or otherwise)…for whatever reason.

    Within five years, ad patches on NFL game unis. Write it down. The fans won’t like it? You think they care? The thing with the bases and Spider-Man was too billboardy to fly. But patches? Aw, hell, unis are so patch-littered these days who’s really gonna notice. It’s just becoming relatively commonplace and they’ll figure they can get away with it.

    Besides, if your fan jersey doesn’t have the current ad patch, well, you’ll be “so last year.”

    Ka-ching.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”343592″][quote comment=”343588″]Bengals: Chico’s Bail Bonds[/quote]

    link[/quote]

    That cereal’s perfect for TO: Floats around and is empty at its center.

    [quote comment=”343600″][quote comment=”343592″][quote comment=”343588″]Bengals: Chico’s Bail Bonds[/quote]

    link[/quote]

    That cereal’s perfect for TO: Floats around and is empty at its center.[/quote]

    it wouldn’t even be out of place on their uni

    [quote comment=”343558″]I can certainly see how the WWII era jerseys would be offensive to a lot of people, that is certainly a risky project to under take. That’s why I am so hesitant to say that I love the design of both the Russian and Nazi uniforms. Horrific human atrocities aside, the designs are beautiful…. Please no one take that the wrong way. I do NOT support anything those jerseys stand for.[/quote]

    Agreed. The designs are very well executed. And if the swastika was removed, the German eagle would kick ass even today.

    [quote comment=”343599″][quote comment=”343595″][quote comment=”343590″][quote comment=”343533″]Know what else? We’d best prepare oursleves for advertising patches on game jerseys in the NFL (and probably the other major sports, too). There are just enough NFL people involved with Arena Football—and, of course, NFL Europe—to have learned it’s a source of revenue.

    Not saying it’s good. Just saying…it’s coming.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I don’t think we’ll ever see it in regular season games. Remember how outraged baseball fans were a few years ago when MLB tried to put Spiderman stuff on the field? I think fans would be equally angered to see ads on uniforms as they would be to see ads on playing surfaces.[/quote]

    I remember back in the day it was suggested that the proliferation of artificial surfaces on football fields would lead to them becoming giant billboards especially visible on tv.[/quote]

    Instead, TV simply figured out how to do it with computer graphics. Must less work, and you can change the ad during the game.

    Ever notice the rotating ads behind the hitter in baseball are sometimes plain green? That’s the computer is deleting the ad that’s actually there (electronic or otherwise)…for whatever reason.

    Within five years, ad patches on NFL game unis. Write it down. The fans won’t like it? You think they care? The thing with the bases and Spider-Man was too billboardy to fly. But patches? Aw, hell, unis are so patch-littered these days who’s really gonna notice. It’s just becoming relatively commonplace and they’ll figure they can get away with it.

    Besides, if your fan jersey doesn’t have the current ad patch, well, you’ll be “so last year.”

    Ka-ching.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I agree with Ricko. Bowl teams already wear bowl game patches on their jerseys in college football and those patches are nothing more than ads for the products tied into the bowl game (e.g., Tostitos patch on Fiesta Bowl teams — how awful is it for the logo of an unhealthy food to be plastered on athletes in competition?). I think the NFL or NBA has said the day is coming. When it does, both leagues will probably lose me for good. I will hate it if baseball or college sports ever follow suit.

    And I wish just once some athlete like Tom Brady would have the guts to rip the patch off and say he’s not wearing it.

    It’ll happen the same day it’s 90 degrees in New England in January.

    [quote comment=”343591″][quote comment=”343588″]Bengals: Chico’s Bail Bonds[/quote]

    Shall we keep going?

    Lions: Any vacuum manufacturer.[/quote]
    It would be great if one team bought advertising space on another team’s practice jersey (’49ers sponsored by the Cowboys).

    [quote comment=”343605″][quote comment=”343591″][quote comment=”343588″]Bengals: Chico’s Bail Bonds[/quote]

    Shall we keep going?

    Lions: Any vacuum manufacturer.[/quote]
    It would be great if one team bought advertising space on another team’s practice jersey (’49ers sponsored by the Cowboys).[/quote]

    Or possibly to spell out the team’s goals and aspirations for the season?
    Lions: Goodyear

    [quote comment=”343605″][quote comment=”343591″][quote comment=”343588″]Bengals: Chico’s Bail Bonds[/quote]

    Shall we keep going?

    Lions: Any vacuum manufacturer.[/quote]
    It would be great if one team bought advertising space on another team’s practice jersey (’49ers sponsored by the Cowboys).[/quote]
    They could say finally say, “we own you!” The question is, would you have to qualify for the opportunity to “own” another team by demonstrating it on the field (i.e. the Niners over the Rams in the “same old sorry-ass Rams” days)?

    [quote comment=”343606″][quote comment=”343605″][quote comment=”343591″][quote comment=”343588″]Bengals: Chico’s Bail Bonds[/quote]

    Shall we keep going?

    Lions: Any vacuum manufacturer.[/quote]
    It would be great if one team bought advertising space on another team’s practice jersey (’49ers sponsored by the Cowboys).[/quote]

    Or possibly to spell out the team’s goals and aspirations for the season?
    Lions: Goodyear[/quote]
    Then shouldn’t every team be sponsored by Goodyear? Are there any teams for which that isn’t the goal?

    [quote comment=”343601″][quote comment=”343600″][quote comment=”343592″][quote comment=”343588″]Bengals: Chico’s Bail Bonds[/quote]

    link[/quote]

    That cereal’s perfect for TO: Floats around and is empty at its center.[/quote]

    it wouldn’t even be link on their uni[/quote]

    That patch would be a great candidate for some infinite regression action!

    [quote comment=”343608″][quote comment=”343606″][quote comment=”343605″][quote comment=”343591″][quote comment=”343588″]Bengals: Chico’s Bail Bonds[/quote]

    Shall we keep going?

    Lions: Any vacuum manufacturer.[/quote]
    It would be great if one team bought advertising space on another team’s practice jersey (’49ers sponsored by the Cowboys).[/quote]

    Or possibly to spell out the team’s goals and aspirations for the season?
    Lions: Goodyear[/quote]
    Then shouldn’t every team be sponsored by Goodyear? Are there any teams for which that isn’t the goal?[/quote]

    Yeah, but for the Lions that’s pretty lofty.
    (and that’s where I thought the joke was)

    The beauty of that Roman Gabriel Eagles jersey is in its minimalism. Just like the Cardinals at the time. And the Vikings home jersey, too, I think.

    No NFL patch, no logo patch, no script patch, and sure as hell no advertising patch.

    [quote comment=”343611″]The beauty of that Roman Gabriel Eagles jersey is in its minimalism. Just like the Cardinals at the time. And the Vikings home jersey, too, I think.

    No NFL patch, no logo patch, no script patch, and sure as hell no advertising patch.[/quote]

    Yup, Vikings had a season or two in early ’70’s when there were sans sleeve stripes on their purple jerseys. Always kept the shoulder loops on the whites, though.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”343586″]Re: NFL practice uni adverts.
    It’s too bad the teams can’t display patches of businesses that would be apropos their names and in some cases might even be considered an enhancement. For example:

    Redskins: Mutual of Omaha
    Browns:UPS
    Ravens: Windex
    Colts: Ford Mustang-they aren’t SMU after all, Ricko :)
    Jaguars:Jaguar
    Steelers: USSteel-oh, wait, aren’t they already….
    Cowboys:Tampax[/quote]
    Patriots: Graceland

    [quote comment=”343610″][quote comment=”343608″][quote comment=”343606″][quote comment=”343605″][quote comment=”343591″][quote comment=”343588″]Bengals: Chico’s Bail Bonds[/quote]

    Shall we keep going?

    Lions: Any vacuum manufacturer.[/quote]
    It would be great if one team bought advertising space on another team’s practice jersey (’49ers sponsored by the Cowboys).[/quote]

    Or possibly to spell out the team’s goals and aspirations for the season?
    Lions: Goodyear[/quote]
    Then shouldn’t every team be sponsored by Goodyear? Are there any teams for which that isn’t the goal?[/quote]

    Yeah, but for the Lions that’s pretty lofty.
    (and that’s where I thought the joke was)[/quote]
    Clearly, you’re right, of course. I’m just feeling literal this morning. Sorry…

    Even better than Goodyear would be an Official Sponsor of the Super Bowl (say, Anheuser-Busch), so they could get a SB logo on their patch!

    [quote comment=”343599″]Ever notice the rotating ads behind the hitter in baseball are sometimes plain green? That’s the computer is deleting the ad that’s actually there (electronic or otherwise)…for whatever reason.[/quote]
    Ricko, FWLIW it’s my understanding that those ads only work with ONE particular camera angle per “greenboard”. So if you’re getting a replay from a different angle than the typical centerfield camera, you’re going to see the green area.

    And there is simply no way I’m watching a single word-titled show on Fox simply because it’s pimped and pimped and pimped incessenantly during the playoffs/WS. It’s not going to happen. Why these marketing wizards don’t grasp the concept of turning off as many people as they attract is beyond me.

    [quote comment=”343599″][quote comment=”343595″][quote comment=”343590″][quote comment=”343533″]Know what else? We’d best prepare oursleves for advertising patches on game jerseys in the NFL (and probably the other major sports, too). There are just enough NFL people involved with Arena Football—and, of course, NFL Europe—to have learned it’s a source of revenue.

    Not saying it’s good. Just saying…it’s coming.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I don’t think we’ll ever see it in regular season games. Remember how outraged baseball fans were a few years ago when MLB tried to put Spiderman stuff on the field? I think fans would be equally angered to see ads on uniforms as they would be to see ads on playing surfaces.[/quote]

    I remember back in the day it was suggested that the proliferation of artificial surfaces on football fields would lead to them becoming giant billboards especially visible on tv.[/quote]

    Instead, TV simply figured out how to do it with computer graphics. Must less work, and you can change the ad during the game.

    Ever notice the rotating ads behind the hitter in baseball are sometimes plain green? That’s the computer is deleting the ad that’s actually there (electronic or otherwise)…for whatever reason.

    Within five years, ad patches on NFL game unis. Write it down. The fans won’t like it? You think they care? The thing with the bases and Spider-Man was too billboardy to fly. But patches? Aw, hell, unis are so patch-littered these days who’s really gonna notice. It’s just becoming relatively commonplace and they’ll figure they can get away with it.

    Besides, if your fan jersey doesn’t have the current ad patch, well, you’ll be “so last year.”

    Ka-ching.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Ricko and I commented on this topic yesterday, so for those who missed it, here’s my compromise proposal: As much as I’d hate to have jersey ads, if they’re inevitable I say put them where the NOB is. That way the old saying still rings true, “You play for the name on the front of the jersey, not the back.” What do ya think?

    Either that or put them on the thigh – just leave the front of the jersey alone. Regardless of where they might put them, when/if that day comes, I’ll just DIY my favorite jerseys.

    “Ricko, FWLIW it’s my understanding that those ads only work with ONE particular camera angle per “greenboard”. So if you’re getting a replay from a different angle than the typical centerfield camera, you’re going to see the green area.”

    Absolutely true, but they at least eliminate your opportunity to stare at it over and over, or for long moments.
    Or GIVE you that opportunity…depending on what they want.

    [quote comment=”343544″]The yellow White Sox jersey may signify the lucky dog who got the chance to be part of the ground crew for a day. I seem to remember hearing about that on a broadcast.[/quote]Looking at the picture and judging how much effort that person is putting into his work, I’d say he’s not a full-timer on the grounds crew. :-)

    [quote comment=”343618″]Absolutely true, but they at least eliminate your opportunity to stare at it over and over, or for long moments.
    Or GIVE you that opportunity…depending on what they want.[/quote]
    I want them to put up a digital image of a brick wall when they use that system at Wrigley. :-)

    Very excited to see the kelly green shoes on the Birds, never heard of that before. Always liked the white helmet Eagles look.

    I would kill for a helmet from that era.

    [quote comment=”343538″]That might be a bandage on Roman Gabriel’s face. I’ve seen that picture before, and since that facemask doesn’t protect much, I always thought he may have been injured during the game.[/quote]

    We’re all ignoring the obvious here: during that era, players didn’t earn enough to consider football a full-time job. Obviously Roman had a kid’s birthday party before the game and didn’t have time to get all the makeup off. :-)

    Here’s a reverese “Guess the game from the scoreboard” challenge for Cubs fans.

    Over the weekend I saw a panoramic photo of Wrigley-it was part of a calendar and as it was framed I couldn’t see the entire caption. It said “game of the year: Cubs 2, Cincinnati 1: August 20…” so with a little bit of detective work I am assuming that this is the game.

    link

    Question (and I certainly don’t know the answer): why is this the “game of the year”???

    [quote comment=”343613″][quote comment=”343611″]The beauty of that Roman Gabriel Eagles jersey is in its minimalism. Just like the Cardinals at the time. And the Vikings home jersey, too, I think.

    No NFL patch, no logo patch, no script patch, and sure as hell no advertising patch.[/quote]

    Yup, Vikings had a season or two in early ’70’s when there were sans sleeve stripes on their purple jerseys. Always kept the shoulder loops on the whites, though.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    What added to the simple beauty of those jerseys was 1) they had real sleeves and 2) the numbers on the sleeves added some contrast. It wouldn’t look the same now.

    The Dolphins in particular looked nice without stripes. link The white number was outlined in orange and looked cool against the teal sleeve.

    I only liked the colored jereys without stripes, though, not the whites. Sure miss those old Vikings shoulder loops, Ricko.

    I’ve seen a diiferent version of that Roman Gabriel photo before, and I’m pretty certain it’s a bandage.

    [quote comment=”343627″]I’ve seen a diiferent version of that Roman Gabriel photo before, and I’m pretty certain it’s a bandage.[/quote]

    I suppose. If he’d got his upper lip split open. Could be a whole mess of surgical tape.
    So raggedy-looking my first thought was that zinc oxide stuff.
    In the game accounts there might be mention of it, whatever it was.

    Roman Gabriel wearing the single bar facemask probably is playing with a broken nose. Would only make sense.

    and on the roads…there’s something not quite right about those shoulder stripes…they don’t stop at the base of the shoulder like they’re supposed to

    Yeah, it’s not like they’re supposed to be “loops” or something.

    [quote comment=”343630″]Roman Gabriel wearing the single bar facemask probably is playing with a broken nose. Would only make sense.[/quote]

    So they taped his upper lip and his cheeks?
    Must have been a dislocated nose.
    Tape is, y’know, holding it in position.

    ;)

    [quote comment=”343556″]Here is a link that talks about a way you can “drag the infield”. Says nothing about getting an ugly yellow jersey
    link
    My guess is that he wasn’t given that link as part of the promotion but it’s probably his own fashion jersey.

    [quote comment=”343633″][quote comment=”343556″]Here is a link that talks about a way you can “drag the infield”. Says nothing about getting an ugly yellow jersey
    link
    My guess is that he wasn’t given that link as part of the promotion but it’s probably his own fashion jersey.[/quote]

    Didn’t the White Sox sponsor a Tour De France team?

    Got a chance to see those AFL concepts at lunch, and I must say very nice job with that Marc. You’ve captured that AFL retro simplistic look to a tee. The Seahawks AFL concept’s like if the Washington Federals uni and the 1976 Seahawks uni had a one night fling in a cheap Motel, that would be the result. Ok, maybe not such a cheap Motel, maybe something like a W, or Hyatt. But it was steamy and dirty uni sex.

    [quote comment=”343636″]Interesting article about Eli Manning and the Giants “TIMEX” practice jersey…..

    link

    I’m sure his people talked to the Timex people in hopes of coming to some sort understanding that would maintain the honor, dignity and high standards of commercialism.

    The idea of condom ads on practice jerseys does seem quite marketable, btw. Y’know: “Safe sex…practice, practice, practice.”

    No, maybe not, the last thing they need is people talking about “condom patches.”

    —Ricko

    [quote]The idea of condom ads on practice jerseys does seem quite marketable[/quote]

    ideally suited, no doubt, for the cfl’s saskatchewan team, as well as the nc2a southern california team

    Does anyone know when the Tigers went to the orange “D” on the road batting helmets? These photos aren’t dated, but both seem to be mid-1980s; one has a white “D” and the other orange.

    link

    link

    This is direct from Bob Grim at the White Sox (I checked in with Mark Liptak of the always entertaining link)

    “This guy was not a member of our grounds crew, but rather a fan who bid on the right to work as part of the grounds crew for this game, thru our Executive Experiences program.

    Bob”

    There you go…he wore the jersey so the real crew folks knew he wasn’t a regular.

    Frank

    [quote comment=”343639″][quote]The idea of condom ads on practice jerseys does seem quite marketable[/quote]

    ideally suited, no doubt, for the cfl’s saskatchewan team, as well as the nc2a southern california team[/quote]
    Well, University of South Carolina would have to have them on gamers, ’cause it ain’t about practice there.

    couldn’t resist that joke

    [quote comment=”343642″][quote comment=”343639″][quote]The idea of condom ads on practice jerseys does seem quite marketable[/quote]

    ideally suited, no doubt, for the cfl’s saskatchewan team, as well as the nc2a southern california team[/quote]
    Well, University of South Carolina would have to have them on gamers, ’cause it ain’t about practice there.

    couldn’t resist that joke[/quote]

    Yes, the Gamecoks would be a natural fit.

    [quote comment=”343643″][quote comment=”343642″][quote comment=”343639″][quote]The idea of condom ads on practice jerseys does seem quite marketable[/quote]

    ideally suited, no doubt, for the cfl’s saskatchewan team, as well as the nc2a southern california team[/quote]
    Well, University of South Carolina would have to have them on gamers, ’cause it ain’t about practice there.

    couldn’t resist that joke[/quote]

    Yes, the Gamecoks would be a natural fit.[/quote]

    Sorry — meant Gamecocks.

    [quote comment=”343640″]Does anyone know when the Tigers went to the orange “D” on the road batting helmets? These photos aren’t dated, but both seem to be mid-1980s; one has a white “D” and the other orange.

    link

    link
    /23/UOA5rkFX.jpg[/quote]

    The first picture could be from a chilly February/March day in Lakeland. The Tigers always wear the white D cap in ST, no matter home or away.

    [quote comment=”343645″][quote comment=”343640″]Does anyone know when the Tigers went to the orange “D” on the road batting helmets? These photos aren’t dated, but both seem to be mid-1980s; one has a white “D” and the other orange.

    link

    link
    /23/UOA5rkFX.jpg[/quote]

    The first picture could be from a chilly February/March day in Lakeland. The Tigers always wear the white D cap in ST, no matter home or away.[/quote]

    well, it wouldn’t be Lakeland, since they have the away unis on…but you know what I mean.

    [quote comment=”343646″][quote comment=”343645″][quote comment=”343640″]Does anyone know when the Tigers went to the orange “D” on the road batting helmets? These photos aren’t dated, but both seem to be mid-1980s; one has a white “D” and the other orange.

    link

    link
    /23/UOA5rkFX.jpg[/quote]

    The first picture could be from a chilly February/March day in Lakeland. The Tigers always wear the white D cap in ST, no matter home or away.[/quote]

    well, it wouldn’t be Lakeland, since they have the away unis on…but you know what I mean.[/quote]

    Good point. Like the Cards always wear their home caps in spring training, whether home or away.

    Any idea when they went to the orange “D” helmets on the road?

    [quote comment=”343647″][quote comment=”343646″][quote comment=”343645″][quote comment=”343640″]Does anyone know when the Tigers went to the orange “D” on the road batting helmets? These photos aren’t dated, but both seem to be mid-1980s; one has a white “D” and the other orange.

    link

    link
    /23/UOA5rkFX.jpg[/quote]

    The first picture could be from a chilly February/March day in Lakeland. The Tigers always wear the white D cap in ST, no matter home or away.[/quote]

    well, it wouldn’t be Lakeland, since they have the away unis on…but you know what I mean.[/quote]

    Good point. Like the Cards always wear their home caps in spring training, whether home or away.

    Any idea when they went to the orange “D” helmets on the road?[/quote]

    From what I remember, the Tigers went with an orange d and a white outline when they switched to the pullovers in 1972

    link

    They switched to the solid orange D in 83

    link

    And then there were these beauties from 1994 to 1997

    link

    [quote comment=”343649″][quote comment=”343647″][quote comment=”343646″][quote comment=”343645″][quote comment=”343640″]Does anyone know when the Tigers went to the orange “D” on the road batting helmets? These photos aren’t dated, but both seem to be mid-1980s; one has a white “D” and the other orange.

    link

    link
    /23/UOA5rkFX.jpg[/quote]

    The first picture could be from a chilly February/March day in Lakeland. The Tigers always wear the white D cap in ST, no matter home or away.[/quote]

    well, it wouldn’t be Lakeland, since they have the away unis on…but you know what I mean.[/quote]

    Good point. Like the Cards always wear their home caps in spring training, whether home or away.

    Any idea when they went to the orange “D” helmets on the road?[/quote]

    From what I remember, the Tigers went with an orange d and a white outline when they switched to the pullovers in 1972

    link

    They switched to the solid orange D in 83

    link

    And then there were these beauties from 1994 to 1997

    link

    Yes, but what about the helmets? Did they match? They do know, but when did they start?

    Thought I’d share some Pitt info on new unis. Nothing yet unveiled, but their online store has begun to sell Nike gear:

    link

    link

    link

    As far as unis, I was told by someone pretty high up on the food chain at the athletic department that media day is August 10 so stay tuned.

    One last thing, this is a funny look at the new unis from Panther Rants, which is pretty much The Onion for Pitt sports:

    link

    [quote comment=”343650″][quote comment=”343649″][quote comment=”343647″][quote comment=”343646″][quote comment=”343645″][quote comment=”343640″]Does anyone know when the Tigers went to the orange “D” on the road batting helmets? These photos aren’t dated, but both seem to be mid-1980s; one has a white “D” and the other orange.

    link

    link
    /23/UOA5rkFX.jpg[/quote]

    The first picture could be from a chilly February/March day in Lakeland. The Tigers always wear the white D cap in ST, no matter home or away.[/quote]

    well, it wouldn’t be Lakeland, since they have the away unis on…but you know what I mean.[/quote]

    Good point. Like the Cards always wear their home caps in spring training, whether home or away.

    Any idea when they went to the orange “D” helmets on the road?[/quote]

    From what I remember, the Tigers went with an orange d and a white outline when they switched to the pullovers in 1972

    link

    They switched to the solid orange D in 83

    link

    And then there were these beauties from 1994 to 1997

    link

    Yes, but what about the helmets? Did they match? They do know, but when did they start?[/quote]

    I believe they did. I can’t remember a time where they wore orange D hats and white d helmets outside of ST.

    [quote comment=”343653″]flip through the mitchell report… i think we got another one!

    link

    haha[/quote]

    George Costanza was juicing!?!?!?!?!?!?

    [quote comment=”343596″][quote comment=”343589″]That Bills uniform would be awesome-ER if they used the white 1980’s helmet instead of the boring Buffalo.[/quote]

    This one?

    link

    link

    YES! YES! Love em. This is coming from a diehard Dolphan. ;)

    First, kudos to Jerry Adams for the old Bullets look on his membership card. I LOVED those uniforms when I was a kid, and still do.

    Second, I love those stripeless Eagle jerseys: simple, but classy. Would love to see those brought back. And speaking of early ’70s unis, IIRC, my Niners briefly/occasionally sported red jerseys w/o sleeve stripes (or TV numbers?) in the early/mid-’70s, too – not sure of the year(s).

    Here’s Ken Willard in action, coincidentally vs. the Eagles: link

    (Sorry, not much of a photo, but it’s the best I could find at short notice.)

    Ricko and I commented on this topic yesterday, so for those who missed it, here’s my compromise proposal: As much as I’d hate to have jersey ads, if they’re inevitable I say put them where the NOB is. That way the old saying still rings true, “You play for the name on the front of the jersey, not the back.” What do ya think?

    FOX, IBM, BUD, MCD, UPS, TWA, etc.
    There is something about this idea I find appealing

    [quote comment=”343655″][quote comment=”343596″][quote comment=”343589″]That Bills uniform would be awesome-ER if they used the white 1980’s helmet instead of the boring Buffalo.[/quote]

    This one?

    link

    link

    YES! YES! Love em. This is coming from a diehard Dolphan. ;)[/quote]

    I recall reading at the time that the reason the Jets switched to kelly helmets and the Bills to red was that prior to change all five teams in the AFC East wore white helmets (Baltimore Colts were still in the division).

    Not saying I agree, just giving some “old guy” background.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”343651″]Thought I’d share some Pitt info on new unis. Nothing yet unveiled, but their online store has begun to sell Nike gear:

    link

    link

    link

    As far as unis, I was told by someone pretty high up on the food chain at the athletic department that media day is August 10 so stay tuned.

    One last thing, this is a funny look at the new unis from Panther Rants, which is pretty much The Onion for Pitt sports:

    link

    Ugh. Is there anyone else who dislikes this uniform? I prefer the old color scheme. When they made this change, it reminded me of the Rams after they one the Super Bowl. Let’s be Super Gold!

    [quote comment=”343658″][quote comment=”343655″][quote comment=”343596″][quote comment=”343589″]That Bills uniform would be awesome-ER if they used the white 1980’s helmet instead of the boring Buffalo.[/quote]

    This one?

    link

    link

    YES! YES! Love em. This is coming from a diehard Dolphan. ;)[/quote]

    I recall reading at the time that the reason the Jets switched to kelly helmets and the Bills to red was that prior to change all five teams in the AFC East wore white helmets (Baltimore Colts were still in the division).

    Not saying I agree, just giving some “old guy” background.

    —Ricko[/quote]
    you probably remember when all cars were black, too :)

    [quote comment=”343658″][quote comment=”343655″][quote comment=”343596″][quote comment=”343589″]That Bills uniform would be awesome-ER if they used the white 1980’s helmet instead of the boring Buffalo.[/quote]

    This one?

    link

    link

    YES! YES! Love em. This is coming from a diehard Dolphan. ;)[/quote]

    I recall reading at the time that the reason the Jets switched to kelly helmets and the Bills to red was that prior to change all five teams in the AFC East wore white helmets (Baltimore Colts were still in the division).

    Not saying I agree, just giving some “old guy” background.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I read that as well, (actually, on this site) and you know what…bring on the all-White-Helmet Eastern Division!!

    Ricko, what did you think of the Jets ‘fauxback’ green helmet (1994). ( is it a fauxback?)

    [quote comment=”343661″][quote comment=”343658″][quote comment=”343655″][quote comment=”343596″][quote comment=”343589″]That Bills uniform would be awesome-ER if they used the white 1980’s helmet instead of the boring Buffalo.[/quote]

    This one?

    link

    link

    YES! YES! Love em. This is coming from a diehard Dolphan. ;)[/quote]

    I recall reading at the time that the reason the Jets switched to kelly helmets and the Bills to red was that prior to change all five teams in the AFC East wore white helmets (Baltimore Colts were still in the division).

    Not saying I agree, just giving some “old guy” background.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I read that as well, (actually, on this site) and you know what…bring on the all-White-Helmet Eastern Division!!

    Ricko, what did you think of the Jets ‘fauxback’ green helmet (1994). ( is it a fauxback?)[/quote]

    I remember that too. The Bills wanted to cut down on their interceptions, and a red helmet would be distinguishable in the AFC East. And those unis and helmets looked good too (as did the previous unis and helmets).

    [quote comment=”343659″][quote comment=”343651″]Thought I’d share some Pitt info on new unis. Nothing yet unveiled, but their online store has begun to sell Nike gear:

    link

    link

    link

    As far as unis, I was told by someone pretty high up on the food chain at the athletic department that media day is August 10 so stay tuned.

    One last thing, this is a funny look at the new unis from Panther Rants, which is pretty much The Onion for Pitt sports:

    link

    Ugh. Is there anyone else who dislikes this uniform? I prefer the old color scheme. When they made this change, it reminded me of the Rams after they one the Super Bowl. Let’s be Super Gold![/quote]
    I’m with you, but I just don’t think it’s going to happen. Early speculation is that while Nike will put out a new football uni, it will still be the navy/gold theme.

    Notice they will pick up where Adidas left off, still selling script gear, probably without any intentions of that logo getting on the field again.

    [quote comment=”343630″]Roman Gabriel wearing the single bar facemask probably is playing with a broken nose. Would only make sense.[/quote]

    Every time I hear of this injury I think of Jon Lovitz’ character on SNL who was a compulsive liar. One of his lines was, “I onced played an entire year with a broken nose. We couldn’t afford a real football…”

    [quote comment=”343661″][quote comment=”343658″][quote comment=”343655″][quote comment=”343596″][quote comment=”343589″]That Bills uniform would be awesome-ER if they used the white 1980’s helmet instead of the boring Buffalo.[/quote]

    This one?

    link

    link

    YES! YES! Love em. This is coming from a diehard Dolphan. ;)[/quote]

    I recall reading at the time that the reason the Jets switched to kelly helmets and the Bills to red was that prior to change all five teams in the AFC East wore white helmets (Baltimore Colts were still in the division).

    Not saying I agree, just giving some “old guy” background.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I read that as well, (actually, on this site) and you know what…bring on the all-White-Helmet Eastern Division!!

    Ricko, what did you think of the Jets ‘fauxback’ green helmet (1994). ( is it a fauxback?)[/quote]

    No, it was just WRONG. The Jets had never worn that helmet. Hard to believe the Jets couldn’t even get their Super Bowl III unis right, isn’t it. Not like images from that game are hard to find.

    Although it DID do a nice job of giving the ’94 Jets the overall look of the 1980s Saskatchewan Roughriders.

    What that had to do with NFL throwbacks I’ll never know…

    —Ricko

    That green monster article, I cannot believe the city has not said anything about it. Forget about it being possibly unsightly or offending, has anyone checked the structural integrity of it? That thing is like a giant sail when the wind starts blowing, then it fails and you have sheets of plywood blowing around? Bad news.

    [quote comment=”343666″]That green monster article, I cannot believe the city has not said anything about it. Forget about it being possibly unsightly or offending, has anyone checked the structural integrity of it? That thing is like a giant sail when the wind starts blowing, then it fails and you have sheets of plywood blowing around? Bad news.[/quote]

    lighten up, you buzzkill! don’t you know the good karma that is redsocks nation would overpower the reality of metaphysics. furthermore, shouldn’t a resident of detroit be throwing up a model of briggs stadium in his front yard? (possibly usightly?) next you’ll be complaining if he doesn’t mow his infield! move to russia if you don’t like freedom!

    Kek:

    Thanks for the updates on the Pitt uni search….I’ve been looking anxiously everyday to see if anyone has leaked a picture of them. They are still the same colors from what I am told, but the gold may be more of a matte finish (i.e. flat, not flashy). Also, I think I said this earlier, but the are going to have stripes on the pants too. The tops will be very classic looking which is really encouraging. Also, the numbers are not going to be the 3D version they are now. I think I am going to really like them. Nevertheless, I’d love to go back to the old gold color….HTP

    [quote comment=”343658″]
    I recall reading at the time that the reason the Jets switched to kelly helmets and the Bills to red was that prior to change all five teams in the AFC East wore white helmets (Baltimore Colts were still in the division).[/quote]

    Ricko, I’m just going to chalk this one up to the “Great minds think alike” factor.

    link

    Comment # Micheal Jordan (#23 for you non oldtimers).

    [quote comment=”343637″]
    No, maybe not, the last thing they need is people talking about “condom patches.”
    [/quote]
    If you used Kentucky you wouldn’t have to think about patching anything….

    [quote comment=”343656″]First, kudos to Jerry Adams for the old Bullets look on his membership card. I LOVED those uniforms when I was a kid, and still do.
    [/quote]

    You know, if they established a “Bullet” train from DC to New York, might they reconsider the now more PCed name; Washington Bullets? Just say it’s short for BulletTrain, as was Sonic’s short for Supersonics. Amtrak would really have to market this as the “bullet train” line.

    link

    Hey, I’ve got no problem with the wall, just that there are building codes for a reason. Imagine that thing comes tumbling down on someone, or you get a strong wind that picks it up and lands on someones car, dudes innocent little project suddenly becomes a lawsuit. Things get nailed down properly for a reason.

    Did you like the Milwaukee Bears throwback uniforms the Crew wore a few weeks ago? I know I did! Want an autographed game-worn jersey? I do!

    Here is the link to bid on them:
    link

    [quote comment=”343671″][quote comment=”343656″]First, kudos to Jerry Adams for the old Bullets look on his membership card. I LOVED those uniforms when I was a kid, and still do.
    [/quote]

    You know, if they established a “Bullet” train from DC to New York, might they reconsider the now more PCed name; Washington Bullets? Just say it’s short for BulletTrain, as was Sonic’s short for Supersonics. Amtrak would really have to market this as the “bullet train” line.

    link

    you might have a hard time overcoming the historical precedent for the type of bullet, unfortunately

    [quote comment=”343668″][quote] what did you think of the Jets ‘fauxback’ green helmet (1994). ( is it a fauxback?)[/quote]

    link is what it was[/quote]

    That was NFL mandated. They wouldn’t let them have different color helemets. The NFL also forced the Seahawks to choose between silver and blue when they updated their logo. Originally the Seahwaks were going to have blue at home and silver on the road.

    Those WWII uniform designs are very well done. Yes they were enemies, but as a design project they are all very nice.

    [quote comment=”343676″][quote comment=”343668″][quote] what did you think of the Jets ‘fauxback’ green helmet (1994). ( is it a fauxback?)[/quote]

    link is what it was[/quote]

    That was NFL mandated. They wouldn’t let them have different color helemets. The NFL also forced the Seahawks to choose between silver and blue when they updated their logo. Originally the Seahwaks were going to have blue at home and silver on the road.[/quote]

    That would explain this mess as well link
    But, and I’m searching for a picture, the Oilers wore a blue helmet that year for a couple of games. Wonder if they got a dispensation from the No Fun League, or they just thumbed their nose and paid the eventual fine.

    [quote comment=”343653″]flip through the mitchell report… i think we got another one!

    link

    haha[/quote]

    If there was a separate report concerning fatasses, I would definitely be mentioned.

    I have been temporarily 20 to 30 pounds too heavy for some time now.

    When does temporary become permanent?

    Completely unrelated to anything, but i just booked to go to Dallas to see the Jerry World opener between the ‘Boys and the Gints.. very excited

    [quote comment=”343679″][quote comment=”343653″]flip through the mitchell report… i think we got another one!

    link

    haha[/quote]

    If there was a separate report concerning fatasses, I would definitely be mentioned.

    I have been temporarily 20 to 30 pounds too heavy for some time now.

    When does temporary become permanent?[/quote]

    When you get as old as I am. Looks like you still got quite a few years before you need to worry.

    [quote comment=”343676″][quote comment=”343668″][quote] what did you think of the Jets ‘fauxback’ green helmet (1994). ( is it a fauxback?)[/quote]

    link is what it was[/quote]

    That was NFL mandated. They wouldn’t let them have different color helemets. The NFL also forced the Seahawks to choose between silver and blue when they updated their logo. Originally the Seahwaks were going to have blue at home and silver on the road.[/quote]
    Well, kinda.

    It’s true that the NFL prohibits home and road helmets. It didn’t have anything to do with “different color helmets”, it’s that the league mandates that teams wear one helmet. Home and road.

    But the NFL has always made an exception for throwbacks. In 1994 the link, link, link and link all wore different color helmets with their throwbacks.

    [quote comment=”343599″][quote comment=”343595″][quote comment=”343590″][quote comment=”343533″]Know what else? We’d best prepare oursleves for advertising patches on game jerseys in the NFL (and probably the other major sports, too). There are just enough NFL people involved with Arena Football—and, of course, NFL Europe—to have learned it’s a source of revenue.

    Not saying it’s good. Just saying…it’s coming.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I don’t think we’ll ever see it in regular season games. Remember how outraged baseball fans were a few years ago when MLB tried to put Spiderman stuff on the field? I think fans would be equally angered to see ads on uniforms as they would be to see ads on playing surfaces.[/quote]

    I remember back in the day it was suggested that the proliferation of artificial surfaces on football fields would lead to them becoming giant billboards especially visible on tv.[/quote]

    Instead, TV simply figured out how to do it with computer graphics. Must less work, and you can change the ad during the game.

    Ever notice the rotating ads behind the hitter in baseball are sometimes plain green? That’s the computer is deleting the ad that’s actually there (electronic or otherwise)…for whatever reason.

    Within five years, ad patches on NFL game unis. Write it down. The fans won’t like it? You think they care? The thing with the bases and Spider-Man was too billboardy to fly. But patches? Aw, hell, unis are so patch-littered these days who’s really gonna notice. It’s just becoming relatively commonplace and they’ll figure they can get away with it.

    Besides, if your fan jersey doesn’t have the current ad patch, well, you’ll be “so last year.”

    Ka-ching.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    you got that backward, sometimes you see the plain green because they didn’t insert the graphic, mostly on replays. For local broadcasts they have the rotating billboards, for national games they just leave a blank green one up cor the chromakey (or whatever the current version is called).

    [quote comment=”343683″][quote comment=”343676″][quote comment=”343668″][quote] what did you think of the Jets ‘fauxback’ green helmet (1994). ( is it a fauxback?)[/quote]

    link is what it was[/quote]

    That was NFL mandated. They wouldn’t let them have different color helemets. The NFL also forced the Seahawks to choose between silver and blue when they updated their logo. Originally the Seahwaks were going to have blue at home and silver on the road.[/quote]
    Well, kinda.

    It’s true that the NFL prohibits home and road helmets. It didn’t have anything to do with “different color helmets”, it’s that the league mandates that teams wear one helmet. Home and road.

    But the NFL has always made an exception for throwbacks. In 1994 the link, link, link and link all wore different color helmets with their throwbacks.[/quote]

    Then why did Buffalo, Dallas, the Rams and the Jets wear current helmets with old school decals?

    [quote comment=”343684″][quote comment=”343599″][quote comment=”343595″][quote comment=”343590″][quote comment=”343533″]Know what else? We’d best prepare oursleves for advertising patches on game jerseys in the NFL (and probably the other major sports, too). There are just enough NFL people involved with Arena Football—and, of course, NFL Europe—to have learned it’s a source of revenue.

    Not saying it’s good. Just saying…it’s coming.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    I don’t think we’ll ever see it in regular season games. Remember how outraged baseball fans were a few years ago when MLB tried to put Spiderman stuff on the field? I think fans would be equally angered to see ads on uniforms as they would be to see ads on playing surfaces.[/quote]

    I remember back in the day it was suggested that the proliferation of artificial surfaces on football fields would lead to them becoming giant billboards especially visible on tv.[/quote]

    Instead, TV simply figured out how to do it with computer graphics. Must less work, and you can change the ad during the game.

    Ever notice the rotating ads behind the hitter in baseball are sometimes plain green? That’s the computer is deleting the ad that’s actually there (electronic or otherwise)…for whatever reason.

    Within five years, ad patches on NFL game unis. Write it down. The fans won’t like it? You think they care? The thing with the bases and Spider-Man was too billboardy to fly. But patches? Aw, hell, unis are so patch-littered these days who’s really gonna notice. It’s just becoming relatively commonplace and they’ll figure they can get away with it.

    Besides, if your fan jersey doesn’t have the current ad patch, well, you’ll be “so last year.”

    Ka-ching.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    you got that backward, sometimes you see the plain green because they didn’t insert the graphic, mostly on replays. For local broadcasts they have the rotating billboards, for national games they just leave a blank green one up cor the chromakey (or whatever the current version is called).[/quote]

    Six of one…
    The point was, they can control what you see and what you don’t see at home on TV.

    [quote comment=”343675″][quote comment=”343671″][quote comment=”343656″]First, kudos to Jerry Adams for the old Bullets look on his membership card. I LOVED those uniforms when I was a kid, and still do.
    [/quote]

    You know, if they established a “Bullet” train from DC to New York, might they reconsider the now more PCed name; Washington Bullets? Just say it’s short for BulletTrain, as was Sonic’s short for Supersonics. Amtrak would really have to market this as the “bullet train” line.

    link

    you might have a hard time link the link for the link, unfortunately[/quote]

    I hear ya Phil, yet, a clever sort could maybe take the Washington Bullets logo, and replace the hands throwing the ball with maybe say the front of a locomotive, basketball, and some motion slashes(to form the two lls)? Think Purdue Boilermakers meet Washington Bullet(trains).

    [quote comment=”343685″][quote comment=”343683″][quote comment=”343676″][quote comment=”343668″][quote] what did you think of the Jets ‘fauxback’ green helmet (1994). ( is it a fauxback?)[/quote]

    link is what it was[/quote]
    I don’t think that the Cowboys and Rams did anything to their helmets.

    That was NFL mandated. They wouldn’t let them have different color helemets. The NFL also forced the Seahawks to choose between silver and blue when they updated their logo. Originally the Seahwaks were going to have blue at home and silver on the road.[/quote]
    Well, kinda.

    It’s true that the NFL prohibits home and road helmets. It didn’t have anything to do with “different color helmets”, it’s that the league mandates that teams wear one helmet. Home and road.

    But the NFL has always made an exception for throwbacks. In 1994 the link, link, link and link all wore different color helmets with their throwbacks.[/quote]

    Then why did Buffalo, Dallas, the Rams and the Jets wear current helmets with old school decals?[/quote]

    [quote comment=”343688″][quote comment=”343685″][quote comment=”343683″][quote comment=”343676″][quote comment=”343668″][quote] what did you think of the Jets ‘fauxback’ green helmet (1994). ( is it a fauxback?)[/quote]

    link is what it was[/quote]
    I don’t think that the Cowboys and Rams did anything to their helmets.

    That was NFL mandated. They wouldn’t let them have different color helemets. The NFL also forced the Seahawks to choose between silver and blue when they updated their logo. Originally the Seahwaks were going to have blue at home and silver on the road.[/quote]
    Well, kinda.

    It’s true that the NFL prohibits home and road helmets. It didn’t have anything to do with “different color helmets”, it’s that the league mandates that teams wear one helmet. Home and road.

    But the NFL has always made an exception for throwbacks. In 1994 the link, link, link and link all wore different color helmets with their throwbacks.[/quote]

    Then why did Buffalo, Dallas, the Rams and the Jets wear current helmets with old school decals?[/quote][/quote]

    Woops.
    I don’t think the Rams and Cowboys did anything to their helmets.

    [quote comment=”343667″][quote comment=”343666″]That green monster article, I cannot believe the city has not said anything about it. Forget about it being possibly unsightly or offending, has anyone checked the structural integrity of it? That thing is like a giant sail when the wind starts blowing, then it fails and you have sheets of plywood blowing around? Bad news.[/quote]

    lighten up, you buzzkill! don’t you know the good karma that is redsocks nation would overpower the reality of metaphysics. furthermore, shouldn’t a resident of detroit be throwing up a model of briggs stadium in his front yard? (possibly usightly?) next you’ll be complaining if he doesn’t mow his infield! move to russia if you don’t like freedom![/quote]

    What’s worse is that he named his kids “Gino” and “Vinnie”. It’s only a matter of time before that turns ugly.

    Well, gonna cover three subjects here.
    First, I was going to mention earlier that I thought the Eagles had gone to the white helmets and no-stripe jerseys (at home) in ’69, rather than ’70. And it appears so. Note the ’69 patch on the jerseys.
    Second, Kelly green Spot Bilts on the artificial turf at home.
    link
    link
    The roads, also with that ’69 patch. Don’t think they wore the green cleats on the road, though. Rmember noticing they were still black.
    Third, what ALSO is interesting since it just came up, is that ’69 Eagles were the last two-helmet NFL team (not counting throwbacks), wearing their green with silver wings from previous years on the road, and the new white with kelly wings at home.
    link
    Starting in 1970, they wore only the white helmet and the stripeless jerseys, the color flip-flop of the homes, on the road.
    Don’t know when they switched but for at least the final season of those unis before silver returned (the ’81 Super Bowl set), they wore white cleats.
    link

    —Ricko

    Also (I should have noted) they added a black outline to the numbers, both home and road for ’70.

    —Rcik

    Stupid computer problems for a week. Now I have to try and catch up on what I missed here.

    i think ill go ahead and change the subject…a little while back, someone mentioned something (a groundbreaking logo?) associating the marlins with orange, and wondering aloud, was this a sign of things to come? i do not know if this is news to everybody else, but it is to me, so i figure i will share:

    link

    About the Detroit batting helmets here is Alan Trammell in 1984

    link

    and here is Ron LeFlore. I blew it up to 400 percent and it is a white D on the helmet

    link

    He played from 74-79. So that narrows it down some.

    [quote comment=”343662″]
    I remember that too. The Bills wanted to cut down on their interceptions, and a red helmet would be distinguishable in the AFC East. And those unis and helmets looked good too (as did the previous unis and helmets).[/quote]
    And wasn’t the result of that (correct me if I’m wrong) an increase in team interceptions the first year of the red helmets?

    Regarding stripe-less NFL sleeves, isn’t there some correlation between those and the new mesh jerseys that were coming in circa the early ’70s? I’m sure we’ve addressed this before… certain teams like the Dolphins even let players choose either striped Durene (?) or unstriped mesh jerseys within the same game… other teams simply chose one style or the other for the whole team depending on the weather.

    [quote comment=”343547″]Pete Rose wore a helmet in the field when the Mets fans were throwing bottles at him after the Harrelson fight.
    Also, George “Boomer”Scott wore one with Milwaukee and his 2nd stint with Boston 77-79. I don’t know about KC or NYY.[/quote]

    Love all the Gabriel / Eagles comments today. Roman also wore the single bar with the Rams. The Eagles usually look good regarless of thier uni. The current model is my least favorite.

    Roman played for Philly when gasoline was being rationed…on odd/even days based on tag number. He went to get gas, and was asked what his number was. He replied \”five\”. Luckily it was an odd day of the month.

    Is Joe Skiba wearing an old NFL shield? It certainly looks like an old version to me. I would’ve thought he’d have snagged himself some of the new swag when they switched to the new version.

    So they got Rickey’s jersey wrong but they got so much right that day.

    Rickey always meant a lot to me as a fan. He was the first player my dad pointed out to me as being someone special to watch. Later I got to do the same for my brother. On Saturday I got to take my son to see the end of Rickey’s journey through the majors. My son was born in April, Rickey Henderson Day came almost exactly a year since my father passed. Anyway, it was a special day for A’s fans and my family.

    If anyone’s curious about Rickey’s speech a posted most of it here

    link

    Like his HOF speech it was very nice. And he did break into third person for us.

    [quote comment=”343696″][quote comment=”343662″]
    I remember that too. The Bills wanted to cut down on their interceptions, and a red helmet would be distinguishable in the AFC East. And those unis and helmets looked good too (as did the previous unis and helmets).[/quote]
    And wasn’t the result of that (correct me if I’m wrong) an increase in team interceptions the first year of the red helmets?

    Regarding stripe-less NFL sleeves, isn’t there some correlation between those and the new mesh jerseys that were coming in circa the early ’70s? I’m sure we’ve addressed this before… certain teams like the Dolphins even let players choose either striped Durene (?) or unstriped mesh jerseys within the same game… other teams simply chose one style or the other for the whole team depending on the weather.[/quote]
    I wanna say the new mesh fabric is the reason the Bears had link and link in the early ’70s.

    Maybe Ricko will chime in here, since those pictures are from his files.

    [quote comment=”343700″]So they got Rickey’s jersey wrong but they got so much right that day.

    Rickey always meant a lot to me as a fan. He was the first player my dad pointed out to me as being someone special to watch. Later I got to do the same for my brother. On Saturday I got to take my son to see the end of Rickey’s journey through the majors. My son was born in April, Rickey Henderson Day came almost exactly a year since my father passed. Anyway, it was a special day for A’s fans and my family.

    If anyone’s curious about Rickey’s speech a posted most of it here

    link

    Like his HOF speech it was very nice. And he did break into third person for us.[/quote]

    It may be too late but I should add the qualifier that the vid of Rickey’s speech is part of a vid I made about my son’s first ball game so there’s pics of the fam in there too. Rickey’s speech is in the middle (~5:15) if you’d rather skip ahead.

    [quote comment=”343703″]As a watcher of World Futbol, I’ve become immune to jersey ads.

    If it means helping to pay salaries for a small to mid market team, go for it.[/quote]

    But if a rising tide carries all ships then there’s still the same disparity between small and large market teams neh?

    [quote comment=”343685″][quote comment=”343683″][quote comment=”343676″][quote comment=”343668″][quote] what did you think of the Jets ‘fauxback’ green helmet (1994). ( is it a fauxback?)[/quote]

    link is what it was[/quote]

    That was NFL mandated. They wouldn’t let them have different color helemets. The NFL also forced the Seahawks to choose between silver and blue when they updated their logo. Originally the Seahwaks were going to have blue at home and silver on the road.[/quote]
    Well, kinda.

    It’s true that the NFL prohibits home and road helmets. It didn’t have anything to do with “different color helmets”, it’s that the league mandates that teams wear one helmet. Home and road.

    But the NFL has always made an exception for throwbacks. In 1994 the link, link, link and link all wore different color helmets with their throwbacks.[/quote]

    Then why did Buffalo, Dallas, the Rams and the Jets wear current helmets with old school decals?[/quote]

    And why would the NFL be against home and away helmets?

    More helmets….mean more merch sales.
    The NFL likes merch sales.

    with regard to ad revenues, luxury boxes, publicly funded stadia, salaries, etc. etc. etc…ad nauseum … versus the (perceived) need to sully the uniform … and i spose, appropos of nothing and everything…

    PTI announced the highest paid public employee in the state of florida … here’s a hint, it’s not the governor, it’s not the secretary of state, it’s not a us senator

    give a guess who it is…and what that salary is

    [quote comment=”343706″]with regard to ad revenues, luxury boxes, publicly funded stadia, salaries, etc. etc. etc…ad nauseum … versus the (perceived) need to sully the uniform … and i spose, appropos of nothing and everything…

    PTI announced the highest paid public employee in the state of florida … here’s a hint, it’s not the governor, it’s not the secretary of state, it’s not a us senator

    give a guess who it is…and what that salary is[/quote]
    Well, Urban Meyer just got a raise, didn’t he? Somewhere in the neighborhood of $4 million a year?

    I’ve always been kind of a fan of the eagles 69-73 getups, incuding the white helmet. Not only elegantly simple but crisp and modern too. (also, born in 1968, my childhood helmet was white with green wings) However, their record of 20-45-5 over that period actually sounds more successful than I remember it and thus a bit counterproductive of the effect of throwbacks to evoke nostalgia for the glory days.

    but if they wanna bring back the Vermeil era, I’m all in.
    Matter of fact, if i had to tweak the Birds uni’s, i’d simply make a set of pants in the grey color of the current pant’s stripe. it is darker than the silver pants they wore ’74-’94 just like kelly green was turned to midnight green. (and for the record, i am not now, nor have i ever favored, endorsed, or even officially recognized midnight green)

    i might also use that grey on the shoulder much like the seahawks uniforms.

    Oh and maybe on the pants, giant orange arrows pointing up at the jersey…y’know to try and keep 5’s passes away from the ankles.

    The biggest problem with the current Eagles look–among many–is the bastardization of the wing helmet logo. It was perfect, then they cartoonized it, gave some weird…action. It looks awful.

    [quote comment=”343705″][quote comment=”343685″][quote comment=”343683″][quote comment=”343676″][quote comment=”343668″][quote] what did you think of the Jets ‘fauxback’ green helmet (1994). ( is it a fauxback?)[/quote]

    link is what it was[/quote]

    That was NFL mandated. They wouldn’t let them have different color helemets. The NFL also forced the Seahawks to choose between silver and blue when they updated their logo. Originally the Seahwaks were going to have blue at home and silver on the road.[/quote]
    Well, kinda.

    It’s true that the NFL prohibits home and road helmets. It didn’t have anything to do with “different color helmets”, it’s that the league mandates that teams wear one helmet. Home and road.

    But the NFL has always made an exception for throwbacks. In 1994 the link, link, link and link all wore different color helmets with their throwbacks.[/quote]

    Then why did Buffalo, Dallas, the Rams and the Jets wear current helmets with old school decals?[/quote]

    And why would the NFL be against home and away helmets?

    More helmets….mean more merch sales.
    The NFL likes merch sales.[/quote]

    I think it’s more that they (and vendors) want all merchandise to look alike..pennants, sweathshirts, etc. (don’t need to produce two different ones for a team or two). Besides, I doubt helmet sales among the largest revenue generators, so it’s probably not a priority. Might rev up the mini-helmet sales, though.

    —Ricko

    [quote comment=”343703″]As a watcher of World Futbol, I’ve become immune to jersey ads.

    If it means helping to pay salaries for a small to mid market team, go for it.[/quote]

    If doesn’t change anything in the end, it just raises the prices for everybody.

    Look at the English Premier League – same handful of teams have a chance at winning, another handful have a shot at playing in the European tournament, the rest are still fighting to keep from being relegated.

    It amazes me how all the socialist (or highly liberal) countries in Europe have soccer leagues with fiercely captialistic means of signing players, while the NFL, playing in the bastion of capitalism that is the USA, utilizes revenue sharing and a salary cap.

    I like watching European soccer, but that’s because I’ve given up on the notion that anyone can win the tiltle. My favorite English team is West Bromwich Albion, and I know from the get-go they don’t have a shot at winning when they make it up to the Premier League. I just hope they play entertaining soccer and win a few games.

    On the other hand, anyone in the NFL with the exception of the Lions and Browns ;) has a chance of winning the Super Bowl. There’s a lot more drama involved and it’ll make me watch even when my teams are out of the playoffs.

    Bottom line, jersey ads don’t change anything for the better, it just feeds the greed. Both owners and players need to realize it’s pretty cool to be making a living doing something fun. Who cares if you’re richer than the next guy?

    [quote]Well, Urban Meyer just got a raise, didn’t he? Somewhere in the neighborhood of $4 million a year?[/quote]

    ding ding ding!!!

    that’s right…the football coach of a public institution makes $4M per annum…can you imagine the public outcry if the governor (or anyone in government for that matter) even approached that? there’d be riots

    why isn’t there even a peep over meyer’s salary? because the football program makes so much money they’re able to transfer more than $6M per annum into the university’s general fund

    think there might be a professor or three whose work is maybe as important to the university, such that he/she could justify such a salary?

    i s’pose when the geology department starts turning over that kind of bank to the university you’d have an argument

    our priorities are so seriously fucked that way…of course the booster and alumni donations don’t flow as freely when professor smith cracks the genetic code, but win 2 national championships?

    it’s not just florida…jim calhoun is the highest paid employee of the state of connecticut

    and those are just public colleges

    the problem is that we’re so worried that our favorite professional team won’t be able to pay that star pitcher $20 million per that we’re willing to grant the “poor” owners the right to sell the space on the uniform to a multi-million (billion?) corporation so they can “compete”

    don’t get me wrong, im a free-marketeer…if someone is willing to pay tom cruise $30 million per film or a “supergroup” $50 million for two dozen concerts or a guy who (to paraphrase bull durham) when he was born had the gods come down and turn his right arm into a thunderbolt $30 million a year…good for them

    but please don’t ask me to support ads on the jerseys so that billionaires can employ millionaires while we sit back and let taxpayer funded stadia be built and we happily pay 20 bucks for a dog and a brew…with 2,000 ads already splashed throughout the stadium…because without ads on uniforms the whole entire sporting world’s parity will suddenly go down the shitter

    as the mets have proven all too well, a new stadium and a huge payroll don’t guarantee shit…im sure if they got just a few dollars more out of taxpayer field citibank, they’d be in first place by now

    and im sure if the cubs had sported ads on their uniforms for the past 100 years, they’d have won at least one world series, right?

    yeah…

    i know the soccer defenders will point out that “sponsorships on jerseys” allow the game to go on without commercial interruption…well, the day we get ads on jerseys WITHOUT commercials for the major sports will be a cold day in hell

    /sorry, end rant

    //don’t give up the fight against ads, paul…ever

    Embrace the Rant Phil. Love the Rant.

    Good points abound there. The thing is, American sports are built for commercials. Pitchers warming up between innings, quarter/half time breaks, time outs etc.

    Soccer and rugby are continuous so commercials are tough. Ads make a little more sense in those sports. Have you ever watched a major rugby match from outside the US? Someone mentioned ads painted on the fields earlier and yo see them all the time in rugby

    [quote comment=”343713″]Embrace the Rant Phil. Love the Rant.

    Good points abound there. The thing is, American sports are built for commercials. Pitchers warming up between innings, quarter/half time breaks, time outs etc.

    Soccer and rugby are continuous so commercials are tough. Ads make a little more sense in those sports. Have you ever watched a major rugby match from outside the US? Someone mentioned ads painted on the fields earlier and yo see them all the time in rugby[/quote]

    Yes, great rant. And yeah, I know our country’s sports seem tailor-made for commercials, but do they have to be so long? Maybe I’m just a beaten-down man, but I can put up with a sponsor name on the back of a jersey if we can get rid of the “extra point, go to commercial, kickoff, go back to commercial, run two plays, oops, end of quarter, go back to commercial” crap we have now.

    In the end, though, it comes down to us. How many of us are willing to say enough is enough? I got the NFL Sunday Ticket program about ten years ago, just as the league started increasing the amount of commercials. The freaky thing was, all the good games seemed to go to commercial at the same time. I wasn’t getting much benefit to having the package. Between that and the rising price, I quit getting it. I’d rather go to a single game (or an entire season of Division II football – same price) than pay for Sunday Ticket again. Who’s with me?

    [quote comment=”343714″][quote comment=”343713″]Embrace the Rant Phil. Love the Rant.

    Good points abound there. The thing is, American sports are built for commercials. Pitchers warming up between innings, quarter/half time breaks, time outs etc.

    Soccer and rugby are continuous so commercials are tough. Ads make a little more sense in those sports. Have you ever watched a major rugby match from outside the US? Someone mentioned ads painted on the fields earlier and yo see them all the time in rugby[/quote]

    Yes, great rant. And yeah, I know our country’s sports seem tailor-made for commercials, but do they have to be so long? Maybe I’m just a beaten-down man, but I can put up with a sponsor name on the back of a jersey if we can get rid of the “extra point, go to commercial, kickoff, go back to commercial, run two plays, oops, end of quarter, go back to commercial” crap we have now.

    In the end, though, it comes down to us. How many of us are willing to say enough is enough? I got the NFL Sunday Ticket program about ten years ago, just as the league started increasing the amount of commercials. The freaky thing was, all the good games seemed to go to commercial at the same time. I wasn’t getting much benefit to having the package. Between that and the rising price, I quit getting it. I’d rather go to a single game (or an entire season of Division II football – same price) than pay for Sunday Ticket again. Who’s with me?[/quote]

    Sorry, I just finally entered a tax bracket where I could afford Sunday Ticket. I can’t figure on boycotting it without ever experiencing its 13 games per week goodness.

    baaaa I am sheep.

    [quote comment=”343710″][quote comment=”343705″][quote comment=”343685″][quote comment=”343683″][quote comment=”343676″][quote comment=”343668″][quote] what did you think of the Jets ‘fauxback’ green helmet (1994). ( is it a fauxback?)[/quote]

    link is what it was[/quote]

    That was NFL mandated. They wouldn’t let them have different color helemets. The NFL also forced the Seahawks to choose between silver and blue when they updated their logo. Originally the Seahwaks were going to have blue at home and silver on the road.[/quote]
    Well, kinda.

    It’s true that the NFL prohibits home and road helmets. It didn’t have anything to do with “different color helmets”, it’s that the league mandates that teams wear one helmet. Home and road.

    But the NFL has always made an exception for throwbacks. In 1994 the link, link, link and link all wore different color helmets with their throwbacks.[/quote]

    Then why did Buffalo, Dallas, the Rams and the Jets wear current helmets with old school decals?[/quote]

    And why would the NFL be against home and away helmets?

    More helmets….mean more merch sales.
    The NFL likes merch sales.[/quote]

    I think it’s more that they (and vendors) want all merchandise to look alike..pennants, sweathshirts, etc. (don’t need to produce two different ones for a team or two). Besides, I doubt helmet sales among the largest revenue generators, so it’s probably not a priority. Might rev up the mini-helmet sales, though.

    —Ricko[/quote]

    Bingo.

    The NFL is the only league where a piece of uniform equipment is regularly used as team logos.

    Sure, sometimes you might see baseball teams represented by caps in the paper or on a website. It happens. But with the NFL, such things are commonplace.

    They want to protect the integrity of the brand. That’s why they killed Seattle’s home/road experiment.

    [quote comment=”343685″][quote comment=”343683″][quote comment=”343676″][quote comment=”343668″][quote] what did you think of the Jets ‘fauxback’ green helmet (1994). ( is it a fauxback?)[/quote]

    link is what it was[/quote]

    That was NFL mandated. They wouldn’t let them have different color helemets. The NFL also forced the Seahawks to choose between silver and blue when they updated their logo. Originally the Seahwaks were going to have blue at home and silver on the road.[/quote]
    Well, kinda.

    It’s true that the NFL prohibits home and road helmets. It didn’t have anything to do with “different color helmets”, it’s that the league mandates that teams wear one helmet. Home and road.

    But the NFL has always made an exception for throwbacks. In 1994 the link, link, link and link all wore different color helmets with their throwbacks.[/quote]

    Then why did Buffalo, Dallas, the Rams and the Jets wear current helmets with old school decals?[/quote]

    I can only presume.

    We know it wasn’t a league mandate, so it must have been a choice. I daresay that the Jets et all were just more conservative, not having tried alternate uniforms before. They wanted to keep their players in one helmet throughout the season, rather than risk injuries if their team took the field in helmets that weren’t “broken in.”

    It’s not unusual to see teams wearing their alternate helmets in training camp, for much the same reason.

    [quote comment=”343714″][quote comment=”343713″]Embrace the Rant Phil. Love the Rant.

    Good points abound there. The thing is, American sports are built for commercials. Pitchers warming up between innings, quarter/half time breaks, time outs etc.

    Soccer and rugby are continuous so commercials are tough. Ads make a little more sense in those sports. Have you ever watched a major rugby match from outside the US? Someone mentioned ads painted on the fields earlier and yo see them all the time in rugby[/quote]

    Yes, great rant. And yeah, I know our country’s sports seem tailor-made for commercials, but do they have to be so long? Maybe I’m just a beaten-down man, but I can put up with a sponsor name on the back of a jersey if we can get rid of the “extra point, go to commercial, kickoff, go back to commercial, run two plays, oops, end of quarter, go back to commercial” crap we have now.[/quote]

    If one would guarantee the other, I’d be with you.

    More likely, though, is that the teams would pocket the sponsorship cash without any actual impact on the pace of the game.

    Jersey sponsors and TV commercial time….

    Change for the A’s? ark Ellis and Rajai Davis both have the Giambiesque cap logo on their helmets tonight. Pics tomorrow eh?

    I agree that commercial after the kickoff is the most useless break ever. Please get rid of it.

    As for coaches’ salaries, I know they bring money into the school, but it does spiral out of control for no reason. LSU gave Les Miles a deal where he automatically gets a raise to have a higher salary than anyone else in the SEC. Nice gig if you can get it, but the school must be as dumb as bricks to agree to that. Just because Meyer has received this raise, LSU has to add another few hundred thousand to keep up. That money might come from boosters, but I’m sure that money could be put to better use elsewhere. The schools obviously have budget problems, and professors and programs suffer because of that. I have no idea how to solve that, but I do know that it takes money to generate those big ticket revenues. At a school like Florida, sports may get the headlines, but the academics are up there too.

    Go Gators!

    D2 football fan here so I’ll save a spot for you.

    btw…Roman Gabriel’s face reminds me of the movie Better Off Dead.

    “Sorry your quarterback blew up, Ricky.”

    [quote comment=”343715″][quote comment=”343714″][quote comment=”343713″]Sorry, I just finally entered a tax bracket where I could afford Sunday Ticket. I can’t figure on boycotting it without ever experiencing its 13 games per week goodness.

    baaaa I am sheep.[/quote]

    Save your money. Save your time. Just watch the highlights on Football Night In America.

    I think the NFL sees you as the sheep you say you are, seeing what they can get away with as opposed to wondering what the average fan really thinks. Don’t get me wrong, I still love football. I just want the NFL to know I want some love in return.

    If you don’t mind almost-4-hour games, rising prices and the eventual onslaught of sponsor ads on uniforms, then I apologize for wasting your time. On the other hand, if you’re tired of paying more and getting less in return, give the money to a food bank. Or…you could sponsor a local little league team and stipulate that your name is not to go on the jerseys. Be the example, not the sheep.

    [quote comment=”343722″]D2 football fan here so I’ll save a spot for you.

    btw…Roman Gabriel’s face reminds me of the movie Better Off Dead.

    “Sorry your quarterback blew up, Ricky.”[/quote]

    Gotta see that movie again. Thanks for the reminder!

    Which D2 school do you follow? I live in Ohio but my ultimate football fantasy would be to see an entire season of PSAC football. That’s the conference with Slippery Rock. Do any big time schools still announce Slippery Rock scores?

    [quote comment=”343723″][quote comment=”343715″][quote comment=”343714″][quote comment=”343713″]Sorry, I just finally entered a tax bracket where I could afford Sunday Ticket. I can’t figure on boycotting it without ever experiencing its 13 games per week goodness.

    baaaa I am sheep.[/quote]

    Save your money. Save your time. Just watch the highlights on Football Night In America.

    I think the NFL sees you as the sheep you say you are, seeing what they can get away with as opposed to wondering what the average fan really thinks. Don’t get me wrong, I still love football. I just want the NFL to know I want some love in return.

    If you don’t mind almost-4-hour games, rising prices and the eventual onslaught of sponsor ads on uniforms, then I apologize for wasting your time. On the other hand, if you’re tired of paying more and getting less in return, give the money to a food bank. Or…you could sponsor a local little league team and stipulate that your name is not to go on the jerseys. Be the example, not the sheep.[/quote]

    I give my time to the homeless shelter on Sundays before church, I coach U19 sports and I ref D3-Low Internationals. I’m not worried about setting an example for the NFL.

    I spend the money where I spend it. My money, my choice. Maybe I don’t mind 4 hour games. If I’m going to spend a day “watching” football any way why stress it?

    Battles chosen.

    I graduated from Northwest Missouri State so I try to get to a couple of their games each year. The Northwest/Pittsburg State game at Arrowhead Stadium every year is a must see.

    When I can’t get to a game, I check out the Penn Atlantic website. They usually show a live (or nearly live) stream of the games synched up with the radio broadcast.

    link

    [quote comment=”343726″][quote comment=”343723″][quote comment=”343715″][quote comment=”343714″][quote comment=”343713″]Sorry, I just finally entered a tax bracket where I could afford Sunday Ticket. I can’t figure on boycotting it without ever experiencing its 13 games per week goodness.

    baaaa I am sheep.[/quote]

    Save your money. Save your time. Just watch the highlights on Football Night In America.

    I think the NFL sees you as the sheep you say you are, seeing what they can get away with as opposed to wondering what the average fan really thinks. Don’t get me wrong, I still love football. I just want the NFL to know I want some love in return.

    If you don’t mind almost-4-hour games, rising prices and the eventual onslaught of sponsor ads on uniforms, then I apologize for wasting your time. On the other hand, if you’re tired of paying more and getting less in return, give the money to a food bank. Or…you could sponsor a local little league team and stipulate that your name is not to go on the jerseys. Be the example, not the sheep.[/quote]

    I give my time to the homeless shelter on Sundays before church, I coach U19 sports and I ref D3-Low Internationals. I’m not worried about setting an example for the NFL.

    I spend the money where I spend it. My money, my choice. Maybe I don’t mind 4 hour games. If I’m going to spend a day “watching” football any way why stress it?

    Battles chosen.[/quote]

    Fair enough, you ARE the example then.

    I dropped it because not every game appealed to me, but I felt beholden to watch since I plunked down all that money. I wasn’t suggesting you weren’t already generous, btw.

    Enjoy your games.

    [quote comment=”343727″]I graduated from Northwest Missouri State so I try to get to a couple of their games each year. The Northwest/Pittsburg State game at Arrowhead Stadium every year is a must see.

    When I can’t get to a game, I check out the Penn Atlantic website. They usually show a live (or nearly live) stream of the games synched up with the radio broadcast.

    link

    That website looks interesting. Thanks.

    About those stripeless-sleeved uniforms: Most of them (not Gabriel-era Philadelphia) were warm-weather versions of the regular jerseys. I’m positive that this was true for the Niners, Jets, and Bears. The Vikings had them, too — but for about a year in there, they went stripeless for most of the season — so perhaps they made the change for esthetic reasons. At season’s end, however, they usually went back to the striped sleeves (and gold-outlined numbers, too).

    The strange one was the Dolphins. In their undefeated year, you can see both striped and stripeless jerseys on the field at the same time. Morris had the stripes, while Csonka didn’t. Weird.

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