Monday Morning Uni Watch

JaMarcus’ QB radio reciever/speaker is showing in the picture.

Paul linked to a couple of my pics of the Winter Classic jerseys in today’s post, but there are more link as well (in case you weren’t reading yesterday’s comments).

Correct me if I’m wrong here, but aren’t the 49ers the only one of pro football’s “dynasties” of the past 50 years or so (Packers, Dolphins, Steelers and Cowboys being the others) that isn’t wearing essentially the same unis as their glory years? Yes, I know…Dolphins have screwed around with orange jerseys and aqua pants, but basically the look is the same.

So there it is. That’s why they’ve been on a downhill plunge since the change; they’ve offended the uni gods.

Change ’em back, Niners. For another thing, they just LOOK better. And go back to white shoes, too. Not every team should wear black, not every team should wear white…but white calls to mind Rice-Montana, et al, so go with it.

—Ricko
(Man, when I get to be King, things’ll be different. LOL)

Re: Wash/ND paint chips. What the heck is that on the belt loop of ND halfback Robert Hughes? The offensive playlist or the drive-thru menu at Arby’s? Is it out of the ordinary for a running back to have the playlist instead of the QB?

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Concerning the Boise Arrowhead helmets…many schools make their players “Earn” their decals once they get to Varsity, including the John Jay Patriots whom I posted last week!

hey ricko…don’t forget to include the g-men in that list of football dynasties…

while i love love love the current blue (which is of course a throwback)…you really couldn’t argue with link…(plus, look at that blood on LT’s trou)…not too far from the original, and they won two SB’s in that outfit

“Traditional zebrawear”?!?!

You call orange gussets “traditional”? I can’t imagine what that looks like when the ref raises his arm for a delayed penalty.

The “Getting started” section of this article talks about how the Panthers uniforms came to be.
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Some highlights:
The name was selected by the Richardsons, without the help of a focus group, years before they got the franchise.
The blue is “passion blue”, and is a sort of mix of UNC and Duke blues. (This is odd considering the team represents both NC and SC, and also that Duke has no football tradition.)
The article makes it seem that the blue jerseys existed from the start (or maybe I’m reading it wrong), but I’m sure they only started wearing them in the past 5 years or so.

[quote comment=”296914″]The “Getting started” section of this article talks about how the Panthers uniforms came to be.
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Some highlights:
The name was selected by the Richardsons, without the help of a focus group, years before they got the franchise.
The blue is “passion blue”, and is a sort of mix of UNC and Duke blues. (This is odd considering the team represents both NC and SC, and also that Duke has no football tradition.)
The article makes it seem that the blue jerseys existed from the start (or maybe I’m reading it wrong), but I’m sure they only started wearing them in the past 5 years or so.[/quote]
Sorry, the blue is “process blue”, not “passion blue”.

[quote comment=”296910″]hey ricko…don’t forget to include the g-men in that list of football dynasties…

while i love love love the current blue (which is of course a throwback)…you really couldn’t argue with link…(plus, look at that blood on LT’s trou)…not too far from the original, and they won two SB’s in that outfit[/quote]

‘Tis true, they won two, but those Giants (like the Redskins and Raiders, who also had hot periods) just don’t seem to get put on the level with the teams I mentioned. The current Giants sure do look like they could wind up there, though, I’ll give you that.

When I get to King, you can be court jester. Promise.

I meant threefold, sorry!

Wow. That Chase Utley jersey woke me right up!!!

RE: Russell’s ear hole – I saw that in last week’s game as well. I thought it was either the receiver ear piece or a guard to protect his earrings. I am still amazed that football players can wear those big earrings under their helmet and not get poked in the neck by the stud. Or lose them during a game. One of those diamonds probably cost more than I make in a year.

Should’ve asked this question on Saturday, but I was watching the GA vs. LSU game Saturday and noticed that Knowshon Moreno was wearing on red stocking on one leg. I didn’t notice any other Georgia players wearing them, so I was curious. Anyone know what’s up with that?
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Hey everybody, make sure you stick around until the end of the video of the Winter Classic sweaters. You’ll get a chance to see one of the best personalized hockey sweaters ever!

jarmarcus Russell…how do we know for sure that its the ear piece for the communication device? Does anyone have pics of the device? Id love to see what its all about.

Paul, don’t forget that the Browns wore a memorial sticker for Gene Hickerson, who passed away this week.

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Let’s hope that the wings and hawks wear the appropriate breezers and socks during the winter classic. If so the wings will have white breezers and candy cane striped socks.

I get the feeling that the writer of the college FB uniform article had no input whatsoever on the gallery that got shoehorned at the top of the page. It’s actually a good piece on the different approaches to uniforms (with PSU on one side and Oregon on the other). I’d like to chalk the gallery up to some dipshit in the graphics department.

Dave, PSU class of ’94

I noticed in the 9th that Rollins was sporing the earflaps on the field.

[quote comment=”296928″]Hey everybody, make sure you stick around until the end of the video of the Winter Classic sweaters. You’ll get a chance to see one of the best personalized hockey sweaters ever![/quote]
You talking ’bout link? Yeah, I got a chuckle out of it. Normally, I’m not a fan of unimaginitive “(team/city name here) sucks” taunting, but that was great.

Either the player shown in front of Door #4 in the Swedish-referee picture is a shrimp, or those boards are just unnaturally high. I’ve never seen armpit-high boards before.

Might be the only time in my life, past, present and future, that I would want to own a Chase Utley jersey. Phucking Philthies….grumble, grumble, grumble.

Ray Lewis = controversial individual once tried for murder

Andre Gurode = who?

That NFL Network add made me think of the WAC football conference commercial. It talks about Colt Brennan’s 58 TD passes but shows a highlight of the backup with his number blurred out.

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it is at about the 11 second mark

This bit of the college FB uni article says everything:

While Van Horne tells a story about Paterno not wanting to switch to the latest version of Nike’s sideline jacket because there’s nothing wrong with the old one, Oregon coach Mike Bellotti sits with the designers and makes suggestions on number fonts that might be more slimming for his linemen.

Man, that 1965 Mets highlight film has me all misty-eyed. My first year of following the team as a 7-year-old… wow…

-Jet

[quote comment=”296939″]Quick question for all you footwear gurus out there … What brand is this?:
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Rawlings, I think. A late 70’s shoe. In that era when Brooks, Converse, Mizuno, Acics, Pony–even Spaulding–lept feet first into the cleat business. Right before Nike came along to begin its rise to prominence (dominance?).

—Ricko

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I would also imagine the numbers being very difficult to read, especially from the press Box and Bleachers.

Ramapo also has a very unique situation.

The High School is located within the Town of Ramapo, in Rockland County, New York, about 30 minutes North of Manhattan.

There are also two other High Schools within the Town, Spring Valley and Suffern.

About four years ago, the town built an Athletic Complex, Torne Valley, where the three teams would play their home games. Complete with lights and a Field-Turf playing surface, it was a jewel.

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Since then, Suffern High School has revamped their own facilities, adding a field turf multi-purpose field as well as two soccer/lacrosse fields complete with lights!

Occasionally, Spring Valley and Ramapo play at their school fields but very rarely although SV, my alma mater, plays at SV more frequently, perhaps because Ramapo and SV are in the same district, although because of enrollment differentials they don’t play each other.

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An interesting note for this current season.

Clarkstown North and Clarkstown South both had their fields renovated this year, revamping them with FT. Neither were ready for the start of the season. Thus both teams have played their home games at either Torne Valley or have been forced to rent out fields from the neighboring schools, such as the one in my town, Tappan Zee, who also put in a beautiful new FT field two years ago.

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[quote comment=”296951″][quote comment=”296918″][quote comment=”296910″]hey ricko…don’t forget to include the g-men in that list of football dynasties…

while i love love love the current blue (which is of course a throwback)…you really couldn’t argue with link…(plus, look at that blood on LT’s trou)…not too far from the original, and they won two SB’s in that outfit[/quote]

‘Tis true, they won two, but those Giants (like the Redskins and Raiders, who also had hot periods) just don’t seem to get put on the level with the teams I mentioned. The current Giants sure do look like they could wind up there, though, I’ll give you that.

When I get to King, you can be court jester. Promise.[/quote]

i thought about it too, and i see what you mean by ‘dynasties’…and as much as it pains me to say it…the g-men prolly don’t quite fit…but you DID leave off the patsies…they would certainly qualify (and their current unis in NO WAY resemble the beautiful grogan-era reds)…

when you get to king…heh…no knave for you[/quote]

But the Pats are wearing the unis that they wore when they enjoyed their dynasty success.

And, 2 SB titles do not a dynasty make. Just like one national title in this decade doesn’t make USC a dynasty.

I love seeing how “Throwbacks” get modernized…

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The NFL shield is in clear view of the 68 Jets (which CBS talked about, but didn’t show yesterday)

but a classic Namath Pic shows a clean Jersey with no marks

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(someone mentioned yesterday or the other day that a QB had NO CORPORATE logos on thier sleeve…I miss those)

[quote comment=”296959″][quote comment=”296954″][quote comment=”296939″]Quick question for all you footwear gurus out there … What brand is this?:
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Rawlings, I think. A late 70’s shoe. In that era when Brooks, Converse, Mizuno, Acics, Pony–even Spaulding–lept feet first into the cleat business. Right before Nike came along to begin its rise to prominence (dominance?).

—Ricko[/quote]

Good call, Ricko. Here’s confirmation:
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Same logo on side, familiar Rawlings logo on tongue.[/quote]

I have NEVER seen those before!!!

[quote comment=”296961″][quote comment=”296932″]Paul, don’t forget that the Browns wore a memorial sticker for Gene Hickerson, who passed away this week.

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Pet peeve alert…I would assume that the Browns’ numbers are actually BROWN.

If so, why are they wearing BLACK accented gloves?

[quote comment=”296963″]What’s with Chris Paul’s number link.[/quote]
Someone at SI had a few drinks, and got their hands on Photo Shop

“But the Pats are wearing the unis that they wore when they enjoyed their dynasty success.”

When were the Patriots a dynasty?
Did I sleep through it?

We can debate this til hell is a peachy place to keep frozen orange juice concentrate, I suppose, but the only true NFL dynasties of the TV era (since ’58 or so) generally are considered to be the Packers, Dolphins, Steelers, 49ers and Cowboys.

That’s not me talking, that’s just, I believe, the consensus.

[quote comment=”296967″][quote]2 SB titles do not a dynasty make.[/quote]

well, tis true, but then the dolphins wouldn’t be considered a dynasty (ricko’s definition)

and the boys, with 5 titles, really only won two of those before the 1990’s (but 3 out of 4 in the 1990’s, which certainly qualifies)

and the giants have 3 SB’s (although the last is almost a generation removed from the first too)

/but point well taken[/quote]

Maybe suits shouldn’t be allowed on NFL sidelines.

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[quote]When were the Patriots a dynasty?
Did I sleep through it?[/quote]

so not going there

dy·nas·ty (dÄ«’nÉ™-stÄ“)

1. A succession of rulers from the same family or line.
2. A family or group that maintains power for several generations: a political dynasty controlling the state.

I really only consider the Packers & Steelers to have TRUE dynasties…3 out of 4 is impressive…

but when compared to the Boston Celtics or NY Yankees or the Montreal Canadiens….those are what dynasties consist of…we are so quick to label everything

[quote]I really only consider the Packers & Steelers to have TRUE dynasties…3 out of 4 is impressive…[/quote]

then you’d have to consider the cowboys and pats…since they actually did that in the super bowl era

/steelers won 4 out of 6, but never 3 out of four

As a native Baltimorean who is as old as the Orioles, I am VERY happy to see “Baltimore” return to the uniforms. I know it wasn’t there in the 50’s but it was on the unis in their glory years. It’s easy to tell that they’re talking about putting the city on the uniform, even if you can’t spell and didn’t know that “mor” aren’t part of Orioles. For 30 years, the Orioles only referred to themselves as “the Orioles” and not the “Baltimore Orioles.” The invitation text speaks to the contrary.
As an add on to Saturday’s picture about goalie equipment, and the question about why goalies don’t wear matched equipment (the answer is they wear what they want to) Martin Biron of the Flyers wears Vaughn leg pads, a Vaughn blocker, an Itech trapper (catching glove) and an Itech mask and a Montreal stick. Since none of those companies make skates, it means his skates come from some other company. And that’s just the visible stuff.

[quote comment=”296963″]What’s with Chris Paul’s number link.[/quote]

More importantly, what’s going on with that ball!? I might be, OK I am, way out of touch with ball design, but when was that the MBA’s ball design?

[quote comment=”296982″][quote comment=”296963″]What’s with Chris Paul’s number link.[/quote]

More importantly, what’s going on with that ball!? I might be, OK I am, way out of touch with ball design, but when was that the MBA’s ball design?[/quote]

also…any one else notice the SALE sign on the backboard…by the rim….photoshop is fun!

[quote comment=”296985″][quote comment=”296978″][quote]I really only consider the Packers & Steelers to have TRUE dynasties…3 out of 4 is impressive…[/quote]

then you’d have to consider the cowboys and pats…since they actually did that in the super bowl era

/steelers won 4 out of 6, but never 3 out of four[/quote]

The Browns won the AAFC title from 46-49, NFL titles in 50, 54 and 55, there uniforms have changed very little since then…[/quote]

wow brain fart… their not there

HA! HA-HA!! HA….this is why I hate the term “Dynasty” being applied to ANY Level of sucess…

(cool uni’s though_

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[quote comment=”296984″][quote comment=”296982″][quote comment=”296963″]What’s with Chris Paul’s number link.[/quote]

More importantly, what’s going on with that ball!? I might be, OK I am, way out of touch with ball design, but when was that the MBA’s ball design?[/quote]

also…any one else notice the SALE sign on the backboard…by the rim….photoshop is fun![/quote]

Back in my day we didn’t have any fancy photoshop, we had airburshing…and we liked it!

Is link serious with his pants shorts? I’m not even joking when I ask this…at what point do the length and bagginess of a team’s shorts start to hinder their play?

[quote comment=”296991″][quote comment=”296985″][quote comment=”296978″][quote]I really only consider the Packers & Steelers to have TRUE dynasties…3 out of 4 is impressive…[/quote]

then you’d have to consider the cowboys and pats…since they actually did that in the super bowl era

/steelers won 4 out of 6, but never 3 out of four[/quote]

The Browns won the AAFC title from 46-49, NFL titles in 50, 54 and 55, there uniforms have changed very little since then…[/quote]

Hell, yes, Browns were a dynasty…even if those early titles were in the AAFC. Their subsequent successes in the NFL ratified it. I stuck with period from about ’58 on to make my point simply cuz so many people seem to think that if it wasn’t on TV it doesn’t count.[/quote]

Cool, not that I was alive for any of Cleveland’s championships (born in ’81) but my Dad always brings up how the Browns were such a great franchise. They basically put the AAFC out of business with their dominance. The Browns were supposed to get destroyed when they joined the NFL and kept up the dominance. If you only look at post ’58, well then hey, the Yankees have only won 9 titles that count, of course that’d still be the most…

[quote comment=”296922″]Wow. That Chase Utley jersey woke me right up!!![/quote]

HA! I like the first comment on that page:
“Garment care instructions: hand wash only, lay on flat horizontal surface to dry, do not bleach, do not iron, do not dry clean.”

Sorry, here are the rest of the helmet hats

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Random comment:

Anyone know where to find the pic posted long ago of the names and numbers being embroidered on wedding vests? Need it for one of my friends.

[quote comment=”296998″]Sorry, here are the rest of the helmet hats

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Some mo’:

LSU:
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Oregon:
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PSU:
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The U.:
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MSU:
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Bama:
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[quote comment=”297000″]Random comment:

Anyone know where to find the pic posted long ago of the names and numbers being embroidered on wedding vests? Need it for one of my friends.[/quote]

i believe that’s joe hilsberg (sp?)…the guy who does jersey name frame

Just thought I’d mention…For an old duffer like me, generally speaking last night’s Giants-Steelers game was, uniform-wise, like getting being in ’57 and ’58 and suddenly getting a chance to watch a game in color and HD with closeups, replays and all.

So frickin’ cool.

(and, yes, for any nitpickers out there, I know the Steelers wore black shoes back then…but that’s not the point now, is it.)

—Ricko

englsih soccer-related jersey question…does anyone know where to find more information on jersey numbers/NOBs on 1970’s english soccer jerseys? i want to get a robin friday jersey but haven’t even been able to find even a number, let alone whether he had a NOB. either reading or cardiff city (ideally both.)

Player names did not appear on the backs of English club team’s jerseys until the 90s (I think the first instance was the 1993 FA Cup Final).

For that matter, a player’s number could often be different from game to game. A player’s number was based on his position on the field (starters 1-11). So it is quite possible Friday wore several numbers durinig his years at Cardiff City and Reading.

[quote comment=”297008″][quote comment=”297004″][quote comment=”297000″]Random comment:

Anyone know where to find the pic posted long ago of the names and numbers being embroidered on wedding vests? Need it for one of my friends.[/quote]

i believe that’s joe hilsberg (sp?)…the guy who does jersey name frame[/quote]

joe hilseberg

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Thanks!

Re: Wash/ND paint chips. What the heck is that on the belt loop of ND halfback Robert Hughes? The offensive playlist or the drive-thru menu at Arby’s? Is it out of the ordinary for a running back to have the playlist instead of the QB?

3. Even at an esteemed institution such as ND, sometimes you have players that are quite forgetful, so it’s wearing is to prevent miscues.
With an offense as intricate as Charlie Weis’s, that is probably necessary.

All the skill players (QB, RBs, WRs, TEs) wear the bands. This is because the play calls are color-coded — a color is called, then a hand signal is made. The same hand signal means several things, depending on which color is called.

Too bad, they can’t run it effectively. It’s quite ironic that the only players that ran the Weis offense effectively were the recruits of the former ND and soon to be former Washinton coach, Ty Willingham!

This group does a fairly good job, considering most are freshmen and sophomores. It’s also quite “ironic” that those Willingham players couldn’t run Willingham’s offense properly.

But enough of this. Back to serious matters — more talk about uniforms.

A new hire school is opening in Fargo, ND. They had a contest for people to submit the offical logo to be used for everything, including athletics. The Fargo Forum published the submission. I thought the F/d design towards the end was pretty clever.

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I’ve always wondered how you decide which number to put on Bama’s helmets on merchandise like those helmet hats? Seems like #12 is the most common (because of Namath?), but does the school have a policy on this?

Google image search shows mostly # 12:
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JaMarcus Russell probably had one of those headsets iin his helmet. You know the green dots on both sides of the ball now.

Any Islanders third jersey leaks? I don’t want to wait until 5.

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ROFL…

Found that on the Google search… click the one with the Tide logo on the side and enjoy that page.

[quote comment=”297025″][quote comment=”297018″]I’ve always wondered how you decide which number to put on Bama’s helmets on merchandise like those helmet hats? Seems like #12 is the most common (because of Namath?), but does the school have a policy on this?

Google image search shows mostly # 12:
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Sorta like most all the helmet recreations of early Chargers have “19”. Can’t leave the spot blank; would look dumb (as do current Chargers helmets, btw) so might as well put number of most storied/synonymous-with-team player.[/quote]

CBS, who usually does national broadcasts for Bama games, uses a helmet with 00 on it. I’m thinking it’s because that number looks just oh-so-c00l.

[quote comment=\”296984\”][quote comment=\”296982\”][quote comment=\”296963\”]What\’s with Chris Paul\’s number here.[/quote]

More importantly, what\’s going on with that ball!? I might be, OK I am, way out of touch with ball design, but when was that the MBA\’s ball design?[/quote]

also…any one else notice the SALE sign on the backboard…by the rim….photoshop is fun![/quote]

And in the upper left corner, the New Orleans Arena text is doubled, and the basketball has a weird symbol on it…looks like SI got a photo from one of those \”What\’s different about these two photos\” games.

[quote comment=”297027″][quote comment=”297025″][quote comment=”297018″]I’ve always wondered how you decide which number to put on Bama’s helmets on merchandise like those helmet hats? Seems like #12 is the most common (because of Namath?), but does the school have a policy on this?

Google image search shows mostly # 12:
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Sorta like most all the helmet recreations of early Chargers have “19”. Can’t leave the spot blank; would look dumb (as do current Chargers helmets, btw) so might as well put number of most storied/synonymous-with-team player.[/quote]
Probably because #12 is just a common QB number. In addition to Namath, it has been worn at ‘Bama by Ken Stabler and Brodie Croyle among others.[/quote]

Exactly. But that’s why 12, instead of 10 or 14 or 17 or some other fairly common QB number. Plus, they gotta figure most buyers will be fans, so pick a number with meaning to them, rather than one that would be plainly generic.

Don’t see a lotta off-the-rack Orange Crush jerseys with Gary Kubiak’s number, right?

Check out the shoulder stripe disparity between two members of the Panthers secondary. One has a complete loop and the other has, what, a horseshoe?

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[quote comment=”297030″][quote comment=”297027″][quote comment=”297025″][quote comment=”297018″]I’ve always wondered how you decide which number to put on Bama’s helmets on merchandise like those helmet hats? Seems like #12 is the most common (because of Namath?), but does the school have a policy on this?

Google image search shows mostly # 12:
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Sorta like most all the helmet recreations of early Chargers have “19”. Can’t leave the spot blank; would look dumb (as do current Chargers helmets, btw) so might as well put number of most storied/synonymous-with-team player.[/quote]
Probably because #12 is just a common QB number. In addition to Namath, it has been worn at ‘Bama by Ken Stabler and Brodie Croyle among others.[/quote]

Exactly. But that’s why 12, instead of 10 or 14 or 17 or some other fairly common QB number. Plus, they gotta figure most buyers will be fans, so pick a number with meaning to them, rather than one that would be plainly generic.

Don’t see a lotta off-the-rack Orange Crush jerseys with Gary Kubiak’s number, right?[/quote]

Usually, when Nike decides on their numbers for replicas, they frequently use the number of the most popular player for the upcoming season, for example, Floridas’ would be #15.

In Bama’s case, #12, Greg McElroy does not match that description.

i like that the usc jersey napkin doesn’t have the nike logo while the ucla one is stuck with adidas.

[quote comment=”297009″]englsih soccer-related jersey question…does anyone know where to find more information on jersey numbers/NOBs on 1970’s english soccer jerseys? i want to get a robin friday jersey but haven’t even been able to find even a number, let alone whether he had a NOB. either reading or cardiff city (ideally both.)

Player names did not appear on the backs of English club team’s jerseys until the 90s (I think the first instance was the 1993 FA Cup Final).

For that matter, a player’s number could often be different from game to game. A player’s number was based on his position on the field (starters 1-11). So it is quite possible Friday wore several numbers durinig his years at Cardiff City and Reading.[/quote]

A friend found this site: link That might be helpful, as might link

[quote comment=”297034″][quote comment=”297030″][quote comment=”297027″][quote comment=”297025″][quote comment=”297018″]I’ve always wondered how you decide which number to put on Bama’s helmets on merchandise like those helmet hats? Seems like #12 is the most common (because of Namath?), but does the school have a policy on this?

Google image search shows mostly # 12:
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Sorta like most all the helmet recreations of early Chargers have “19”. Can’t leave the spot blank; would look dumb (as do current Chargers helmets, btw) so might as well put number of most storied/synonymous-with-team player.[/quote]
Probably because #12 is just a common QB number. In addition to Namath, it has been worn at ‘Bama by Ken Stabler and Brodie Croyle among others.[/quote]

Exactly. But that’s why 12, instead of 10 or 14 or 17 or some other fairly common QB number. Plus, they gotta figure most buyers will be fans, so pick a number with meaning to them, rather than one that would be plainly generic.

Don’t see a lotta off-the-rack Orange Crush jerseys with Gary Kubiak’s number, right?[/quote]

Usually, when Nike decides on their numbers for replicas, they frequently use the number of the most popular player for the upcoming season, for example, Floridas’ would be #15.

In Bama’s case, #12, Greg McElroy does not match that description.[/quote]

Alabama also claims to have won 12 national championships (although that figure is much in dispute, as is the case with some schools who point at any random poll that put them on top, especially in the pre-WWII era, and claim it as a title). But of course, I remember the #12 helmet being used long before 1992, when the Tide won what it claims to be #12.

Probably has to do with the whole Namath/Stabler thing, or the “12th Man” thing that another Bryant-coached school made famous.

Though I’m not sure what the inverted ‘K’ is for, but I am sure someone here does

[quote comment=”297042″]Though I’m not sure what the inverted ‘K’ is for, but I am sure someone here does[/quote]

Bill Keightly, who had been the equipment manager for about 60 years, died recently. There will also be a “Mr. Wildcat” patch on the jersey, and there will be a memorial placed at the spot on the Rupp floor where he sat during home games

[quote comment=”297042″]Though I’m not sure what the inverted ‘K’ is for, but I am sure someone here does[/quote]
in baseball, struck out looking

[quote comment=”297046″][quote comment=”297042″]Though I’m not sure what the inverted ‘K’ is for, but I am sure someone here does[/quote]
in baseball, struck out looking[/quote]

He meant on the UK unis, CD. Hope your back feels better. :)

[quote comment=”297047″][quote comment=”297042″]Though I’m not sure what the inverted ‘K’ is for, but I am sure someone here does[/quote]

100 1,000 NCAA titles[/quote]
You’re welcome.

In the midst of the World Series here in Philly, the Inquirer has re-posted (well probably not re-posted since I doubt they were posted to the website in 1993) some pics from the ’93 Phils run, and here’s a great shot of players wearing actual stirrups…excuse the fact that they are also running around in their underwear. Also, the caption doesn’t seem to fit as it appears LA is shoving Schilling out of the way so he get by

[quote comment=”297051″][quote comment=”297050″][quote comment=”297047″][quote comment=”297042″]Though I’m not sure what the inverted ‘K’ is for, but I am sure someone here does[/quote]

100 1,000 NCAA titles[/quote]
You’re welcome.[/quote]

you missed the yellow c stuff, huh[/quote]
No. I knew where you were going with that. I was just trying to tie together the C = 100, K = 1,000 thing.

I guess it didn’t work as well as I had envisioned.

[quote comment=”297037″]Any idea who the player “Anderson” or something like that on the Rays roster who was in Right field shagging fly balls before the game last night, game 4? He was sporting some very nice socks and pants… No pictures but it was nice to see a younger player having the socks in a proper place. Very sharp.[/quote]

Probably this guy link
Is listed as Asst. Pitching Coach (never hear of that)

Well it’s good to know that East Missippi’s horrendous unis actually exist and I didn’t hallucinate when I saw a billboard for the school on a recent business trip.

[quote comment=”296939″]Quick question for all you footwear gurus out there … What brand is this?:
link
You researching the Brewers, Paul?

[quote comment=”297056″][quote comment=”297037″]Any idea who the player “Anderson” or something like that on the Rays roster who was in Right field shagging fly balls before the game last night, game 4? He was sporting some very nice socks and pants… No pictures but it was nice to see a younger player having the socks in a proper place. Very sharp.[/quote]

Probably this guy link
Is listed as Asst. Pitching Coach (never hear of that)[/quote]
Assistant TO THE regional manager pitching coach.

Don’t know if anyone’s seen this, but the Colorado Springs Sky Sox have unveiled a new logo/color scheme. Seems pretty generic minor league kinda stuff:

link

Well, the Ravens haven’t played the Cowboys since 2004. Back then, #24 wasn’t a RB (who appears to be Marion Barber III in this photo), but was S Tony Dixon.

I’m thinking that this is a photoshop job, apparently of link from the 2004 game in Baltimore (featuring Julius Jones leaping over a properly-attired Ray Lewis).

[quote comment=”297067″]If you look closely at the NFL Network ad (as well as the source photo I found), Lewis’ helmet has his correct number. I still have no idea why the graphics person changed the jersey number.[/quote]

Because as things are constituted, they had to, believe it or not, come to a financial arrangement with the players pictured to use their image for advertising purposes, the same is if it were and ad for Chevrolet. With a sort of “in-house” thing such as NFL Network, there’s perhaps a standard minimum dollar figure involved. Barber evidently agreed, Lewis evidently wanted more.

“Oh, photoshop artist! Calling photoshop artist!”

That’s it, guaranteed. No need to speculate any farther. Just the way it is.

[quote comment=”297068″][quote comment=”297067″]If you look closely at the NFL Network ad (as well as the source photo I found), Lewis’ helmet has his correct number. I still have no idea why the graphics person changed the jersey number.[/quote]

Because as things are constituted, they had to, believe it or not, come to a financial arrangement with the players pictured to use their image for advertising purposes, the same is if it were and ad for Chevrolet. With a sort of “in-house” thing such as NFL Network, there’s perhaps a standard minimum dollar figure involved. Barber evidently agreed, Lewis evidently wanted more.

“Oh, photoshop artist! Calling photoshop artist!”

That’s it, guaranteed. No need to speculate any farther. Just the way it is.[/quote]

I think they just half-assed it (hence the helmet number and mostly visible nameplate). I bet they didn’t pay Barber any extra either, they just probably figured he was not identifiable.

No, unless there is some sort of blanket agreement/release to the contrary, you cannot use an identifiable image of a public figure for advertising purposes with the permission of that person. There may, or may not, be compensation involved, but the fact that one player prominent in the photo has been altered is clear evidence that that individual did not have an agreement with the advertiser. Been in advertising agency work for 30 years. That IS the way it is.

[quote comment=”297061″][quote comment=”297059″][quote comment=”297055″][quote comment=”296957″][quote comment=”296954″][quote comment=”296939″]Quick question for all you footwear gurus out there … What brand is this?:
link

Rawlings, I think. A late 70’s shoe. In that era when Brooks, Converse, Mizuno, Acics, Pony–even Spaulding–lept feet first into the cleat business. Right before Nike came along to begin its rise to prominence (dominance?).

—Ricko[/quote]

Oh, yeah, Wilson tried to get in there, too.

Shown here on Ken Stabler for football, but I remember Bernie Carbo wearing a pair of red onces (with royal trim) with the Red Sox. Carbo was big on off-brands. Wore those Rawlings in red while a Cardinal.

link

Never knew those were Wilson. You can see the top part is a “W” and the stripe looks like a modified swoosh or an upside-down puma stripe.

Another “off” baseball brand, New Balance: link

Pro-Keds took a shot at the cleat marketplace, too. Check Joe Theismann during ’83 and Jeffrey Leonard of the Giants in ’83 or ’84.[/quote]

Spaulding (no Caddyshack quotes, please): link

Those bring back some memories! Had a pair those when I played football in junior high. The molded cleats were “all-purpose”.

[quote comment=”297075″][quote comment=”297068″]Because as things are constituted, they had to, believe it or not, come to a financial arrangement with the players pictured to use their image for advertising purposes, the same is if it were and ad for Chevrolet. With a sort of “in-house” thing such as NFL Network, there’s perhaps a standard minimum dollar figure involved. Barber evidently agreed, Lewis evidently wanted more.

“Oh, photoshop artist! Calling photoshop artist!”

That’s it, guaranteed. No need to speculate any farther. Just the way it is.[/quote]
[quote comment=”297070″]

Two quick questions:

1) If this is an image of Julius Jones they alter to appear like Marion Barber, then who should get paid?

2) Does this mean that Andre Gurode may be the only person with a clear claim for compensation?[/quote]

Did they alter it to look like Barber?

There are all kinds of murky areas in something like this, such as active players still with the team shown, players no longer in the league, etc., that may be in NFL players contracts or the league’s deals with its licensed vendors.

Since Jones no longer a Cowboy, that’s not how he’s publicly identified. If it isn’t Barber, don’t need his permission. If Gurode is still with Ravens they, yeah, he may have been paid a little, or at least gave permission. I really don’t have time to go back up and reread everything. Just saying, when there in an obvious alteration it almost always has to do with usage rights. Otherwise, why bother?

I had to redo a portion of a Redskins montage painting for Green Giant once, replacing John Riggins with Mark Moseley because Riggo said no to the deal. Everyone else in it (Jurgensen, C.Taylor, Theismann, Jacoby and Moseley) all signed off on it.

I was just saying that they made the absolute minimal change to Ray Lewis (swapping his two uni numbers), while not changing his helmet number or nameplate, which is mostly visible. If that met the standard for this particular artist/agency, I don’t know why they would bother changing anyone else in the photo.

I am not saying it is proper, or industry practice, or anything else. I was just commenting on what appears to be the threshold of what is identifiable and what is not in this picture based on what they did to Lewis.

[quote comment=”297077″][quote comment=”297021″][quote comment=”296982″][quote comment=”296963″]What’s with Chris Paul’s number link.[/quote]

More importantly, what’s going on with that ball!? I might be, OK I am, way out of touch with ball design, but when was that the MBA’s ball design?[/quote]

That’s so obviously photoshopped… someone’s f***ing with SI.[/quote]

Am I just being linked to the wrong photo? I don’t see anything wrong with link.[/quote]

Dammit! SI snuffed it out and the photo is now fixed.

[quote comment=”297076″]
Did they alter it to look like Barber?

There are all kinds of murky areas in something like this, such as active players still with the team shown, players no longer in the league, etc., that may be in NFL players contracts or the league’s deals with its licensed vendors.

Since Jones no longer a Cowboy, that’s not how he’s publicly identified. If it isn’t Barber, don’t need his permission. If Gurode is still with Ravens they, yeah, he may have been paid a little, or at least gave permission. I really don’t have time to go back up and reread everything. Just saying, when there in an obvious alteration it almost always has to do with usage rights. Otherwise, why bother?
[/quote]

They changed the running back in the photo from Julius Jones (#21) to appear to be Barber (#24, but without the signature dreads). Andre Gurode is the OL at the bottom of the pile, and his image does not appear to have been altered (#65, nameplate OK), although the unaltered reference photo had cropped Gurode out. No other players appear to be definitively identifiable in either pic (although the OL to the left side of the ad is probably T Torrin Tucker, #77).

[quote comment=”297078″]I was just saying that they made the absolute minimal change to Ray Lewis (swapping his two uni numbers), while not changing his helmet number or nameplate, which is mostly visible. If that met the standard for this particular artist/agency, I don’t know why they would bother changing anyone else in the photo.

I am not saying it is proper, or industry practice, or anything else. I was just commenting on what appears to be the threshold of what is identifiable and what is not in this picture based on what they did to Lewis.[/quote]

Here’s probably kinda what happened.

They sent the piece to the players pictured who would be covered because they DO need their permission. In advance. Cheaper than paying lawyers afterward.

“Uh-oh, Ray Lewis said No. He wants more money.”
“Screw him. We’ll just change the number to 25.”
“Ravens have a 25, not as well known, though.”
“Well, maybe HE’d like to be featured.”
“He would. I already have his permission.”

Know what happened next? The artist didn’t notice the helmet number. He SCREWED UP. Nobody noticed it; they ALL screwed up, and it went to press that way.

How much recourse does Lewis have? Who knows. If the the agreements talk about players identified by their “jersey number,” but don’t say anything about by “helmet number,” he may have none.

Or, if he complains they’re maybe stuck sending him money to away.

See, I think the REAL issue here is catching an artist’s oversight in what is not a unique situation. Nobody DECIDED anything, except to go to Plan B because Lewis was a dork.

[quote comment=”296985″][quote comment=”296978″]
The Browns won the AAFC title from 46-49, NFL titles in 50, 54 and 55, their uniforms have changed very little since then…[/quote]

Up to a point. In fact, the early Browns wore white helmets [commonly leather, perhaps through 1950 or so] and, usually but not always, white jerseys.

[quote comment=”297071″]Thanks for the clip of the Fish unveiling those beautiful teal uniforms. I know it was all about teal being the in-color in the early 1990s and all, but damn, those hold up well. Much better than the current black-dominated unis, and also much better than the similarly trendy 1990s black-and-purple uniforms in Colorado, Arizona, and Tampa Bay.[/quote]

The Marlins are a prime example of how a great design can be whittled away into a lousy one.

No huge re-brand, just a lot of little changes that ruined the design.

[quote comment=”297083″]My favorite ‘off’ brand was ‘Roos, as sported by Walter Payton. Wonder if he kept his house key in the little pocket during games.[/quote]
Roos: link.

Text book pants and stirrups: link

[quote comment=”297089″][quote comment=”297083″]My favorite ‘off’ brand was ‘Roos, as sported by Walter Payton. Wonder if he kept his house key in the little pocket during games.[/quote]

Good one. Ozzie wore ’em too: link
In addition to Payton, a bunch of other Bears wore Roos.
link
link
link

[quote comment=”297023″]I didn’t check the site over the weekend so I’ll respond to the goalie equipment question as I am one myself.

The goalie in the all Vaughn equipment is simple – Vaughn goalie sticks suck. They’re fine for the recreational player, but for a competitive or pro, they don’t stand up to the rigors of play.

A goalie using a Nike/Bauer stick is feasable as Bauer sticks have been around a long time and goalie could get used the that style, but Reebock equipment hasn’t been around as long, therefore a goalie not being as used to the pattern. I’ve also noticed that the Reebock sticks aren’t as strong.

Goalies tend to use different gloves from their leg pads or simply 2 different brand gloves this is because they’re ore worried about the feel of the glove than the graphics or name on it.

As a goalie I shopped for equipment based on how it felt, not who it was made by. Granted the manufacter was important in my descision as some have better quality. I always liked Vaughn because it is fine crafsmanship and their customer service is great if there is a defect. TPS goalie equipment always seemed cheep to me and rather than hand made, was machine made. I hope this helps.[/quote]

Two problems with your argument –

1 – Vaughn’s sticks are made by Montreal (now Warrior) and quite a few of Vaughn pad-wearers such as Kiprusoff, Backstrom, Biron, and now Price use the exact spec (graphite-reinforced foamcore) Montreal/Warrior stick that Vaughn sells at retail with their name on it. The reason why you don’t see any of the Vaughn goal sticks in the NHL is because they don’t want to pay the category fee for sticks – it’s not a market they really go after. Hell, they don’t even pay the IIHF category fee (which is why whenever there’s an international tournament Vaughn pads are always blacked out.)

2 – The Reebok sticks are essentially the old Koho foam-cores from the late 90s. The Nike/Bauer sticks that you are seeing in the NHL are composite and debuted two years ago. Not to be extremely nit-picky, but the argument can be made the other way around about what guys are used to. That, and goalies were tossed quite a bit of coin by NBH to use the comps (remember that they never really caught on in the pros until last year.)

[quote comment=”297095″][quote comment=”297091″]”Doesn’t Curtis Management Group out of Indianapolis still rep the Babe? I did a story on them when his 100th birthday was coming up. They had James Dean, Marylin Monroe, and others. An empire built on dead celebs.”

Anyone who does such things works with, and has made deals with, the estates of those folks to handle such things.[/quote]

Don’t let star status go to your head.[/quote]

Is that really necessary?

[quote comment=”297093″]I think we all love SI for the treasure trove of photos they have given us, but the caption accuracy often leave something to be desired: link

what’s wrong with the caption larry? (i see the title says ‘kc royals’ but it id’s schmiddy and brett correctly in the photo cap)

/been a long day, am i missing something obvious?

[quote comment=”297101″][quote comment=”297093″]I think we all love SI for the treasure trove of photos they have given us, but the caption accuracy often leave something to be desired: link

what’s wrong with the caption larry? (i see the title says ‘kc royals’ but it id’s schmiddy and brett correctly in the photo cap)

/been a long day, am i missing something obvious?[/quote]

Location. They had a 50% chance to be right and guessed wrong. S/b Ft. Myers. The Jack (as it was referred to here) never had turf.

[quote]Location.[/quote]

location…location

yes

it is everything

Did anyone see the clip of the dummy sideline reporter interviewing Mike Singletary before yesterday’s game? In her question, she refers to Singletary’s conversation with “(his) mentor Bill Walsh” after being named head coach last week.

Singletary had the best “WTF?” face I’ve seen in a long time. (For the uninitiated, Walsh passed away fourteen months ago.)

[quote comment=”297104″][quote comment=”297097″][quote comment=”297023″]I didn’t check the site over the weekend so I’ll respond to the goalie equipment question as I am one myself.

The goalie in the all Vaughn equipment is simple – Vaughn goalie sticks suck. They’re fine for the recreational player, but for a competitive or pro, they don’t stand up to the rigors of play.

A goalie using a Nike/Bauer stick is feasable as Bauer sticks have been around a long time and goalie could get used the that style, but Reebock equipment hasn’t been around as long, therefore a goalie not being as used to the pattern. I’ve also noticed that the Reebock sticks aren’t as strong.

Goalies tend to use different gloves from their leg pads or simply 2 different brand gloves this is because they’re ore worried about the feel of the glove than the graphics or name on it.

As a goalie I shopped for equipment based on how it felt, not who it was made by. Granted the manufacter was important in my descision as some have better quality. I always liked Vaughn because it is fine crafsmanship and their customer service is great if there is a defect. TPS goalie equipment always seemed cheep to me and rather than hand made, was machine made. I hope this helps.[/quote]

Two problems with your argument –

1 – Vaughn’s sticks are made by Montreal (now Warrior) and quite a few of Vaughn pad-wearers such as Kiprusoff, Backstrom, Biron, and now Price use the exact spec (graphite-reinforced foamcore) Montreal/Warrior stick that Vaughn sells at retail with their name on it. The reason why you don’t see any of the Vaughn goal sticks in the NHL is because they don’t want to pay the category fee for sticks – it’s not a market they really go after. Hell, they don’t even pay the IIHF category fee (which is why whenever there’s an international tournament Vaughn pads are always blacked out.)

2 – The Reebok sticks are essentially the old Koho foam-cores from the late 90s. The Nike/Bauer sticks that you are seeing in the NHL are composite and debuted two years ago. Not to be extremely nit-picky, but the argument can be made the other way around about what guys are used to. That, and goalies were tossed quite a bit of coin by NBH to use the comps (remember that they never really caught on in the pros until last year.)[/quote]

Looks like you know more about the sticks than I do. I’d love to learn more. I know the composits are knew, but it’s my understanding that the basic patterns the pros used from the wood/foam core days were replicated with the compsit sticks.

Having played through the college ranks and knowing some guys in the show I’m embarrised to say I have never head about catagory fees – enlighten me.[/quote]

The wood goal stick is a thing of the past. The foamcores are lighter and don’t get waterlogged – matter of fact, I believe only TPS and Nike/Bauer still makes an all-wood stick at retail – that is it. Everyone else is either foamcore or composite. The major knock on composite sticks were rebound control and vibration.

Manufacturers have to pay a fee to display their logo in the NHL. It is $50k per piece.

The Islanders unvieled their 3rd Jersey: link

[quote comment=”296904″]Correct me if I’m wrong here, but aren’t the 49ers the only one of pro football’s “dynasties” of the past 50 years or so (Packers, Dolphins, Steelers and Cowboys being the others) that isn’t wearing essentially the same unis as their glory years? Yes, I know…Dolphins have screwed around with orange jerseys and aqua pants, but basically the look is the same.

So there it is. That’s why they’ve been on a downhill plunge since the change; they’ve offended the uni gods.

Change ’em back, Niners. For another thing, they just LOOK better. And go back to white shoes, too. Not every team should wear black, not every team should wear white…but white calls to mind Rice-Montana, et al, so go with it.

—Ricko
(Man, when I get to be King, things’ll be different. LOL)[/quote]

The Dolphins have added navy blue to their color skeem since the 70’s, I wouldn’t call them basically the same.

[quote comment=”297109″][quote comment=”297104″][quote comment=”297097″][quote comment=”297023″]I didn’t check the site over the weekend so I’ll respond to the goalie equipment question as I am one myself.

The goalie in the all Vaughn equipment is simple – Vaughn goalie sticks suck. They’re fine for the recreational player, but for a competitive or pro, they don’t stand up to the rigors of play.

A goalie using a Nike/Bauer stick is feasable as Bauer sticks have been around a long time and goalie could get used the that style, but Reebock equipment hasn’t been around as long, therefore a goalie not being as used to the pattern. I’ve also noticed that the Reebock sticks aren’t as strong.

Goalies tend to use different gloves from their leg pads or simply 2 different brand gloves this is because they’re ore worried about the feel of the glove than the graphics or name on it.

As a goalie I shopped for equipment based on how it felt, not who it was made by. Granted the manufacter was important in my descision as some have better quality. I always liked Vaughn because it is fine crafsmanship and their customer service is great if there is a defect. TPS goalie equipment always seemed cheep to me and rather than hand made, was machine made. I hope this helps.[/quote]

Two problems with your argument –

1 – Vaughn’s sticks are made by Montreal (now Warrior) and quite a few of Vaughn pad-wearers such as Kiprusoff, Backstrom, Biron, and now Price use the exact spec (graphite-reinforced foamcore) Montreal/Warrior stick that Vaughn sells at retail with their name on it. The reason why you don’t see any of the Vaughn goal sticks in the NHL is because they don’t want to pay the category fee for sticks – it’s not a market they really go after. Hell, they don’t even pay the IIHF category fee (which is why whenever there’s an international tournament Vaughn pads are always blacked out.)

2 – The Reebok sticks are essentially the old Koho foam-cores from the late 90s. The Nike/Bauer sticks that you are seeing in the NHL are composite and debuted two years ago. Not to be extremely nit-picky, but the argument can be made the other way around about what guys are used to. That, and goalies were tossed quite a bit of coin by NBH to use the comps (remember that they never really caught on in the pros until last year.)[/quote]

Looks like you know more about the sticks than I do. I’d love to learn more. I know the composits are knew, but it’s my understanding that the basic patterns the pros used from the wood/foam core days were replicated with the compsit sticks.

Having played through the college ranks and knowing some guys in the show I’m embarrised to say I have never head about catagory fees – enlighten me.[/quote]

The wood goal stick is a thing of the past. The foamcores are lighter and don’t get waterlogged – matter of fact, I believe only TPS and Nike/Bauer still makes an all-wood stick at retail – that is it. Everyone else is either foamcore or composite. The major knock on composite sticks were rebound control and vibration.

Manufacturers have to pay a fee to display their logo in the NHL. It is $50k per piece.[/quote]

I think the revived Christian still makes a log of a stick. I actually used them in college when they came back, but not sure if they’re still the all wood with the fiberglass wrap.

I remember going from a Christian log to a CCM foam core. It was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I do not like the compsit sticks as they’re too light (I like to know I’m holding onto something), too slick – almost causing the stick to slide right out of my hand at times, and vibrate lick heck when the puck hits it. And the huge rebounds they give up. Foam core goalie sticks are the best.

I noticed when checking out things for the new logo an gear for the Oklahoma City Redhawks a lot of the stuff is made by Nike. Never saw Nike minor league baseball gear before. Is that a new segment of the sports biz they are getting into??

[quote comment=”297116″][quote comment=”297112″]It may be me(colorblind) but is the jersey and socks a darker blue than the helmet and pants. I also don’t see a reason for the socks to be broken up in the back.[/quote]
Just the difference in materials I think…

But why did they do that to the socks? Dear lord, most every team has a normal striped sock that’s not cut up in the back….

Interesting that they went with the cup winning jerseys rather then the original ones with orange numbers that were rumored.[/quote]

The cup year were these: link
I believe the new unis are based most on the ’75 edition” link
Where’s Teebz

[quote comment=\”297116\”][quote comment=\”297112\”]It may be me(colorblind) but is the jersey and socks a darker blue than the helmet and pants. I also don\’t see a reason for the socks to be broken up in the back.[/quote]
Just the difference in materials I think…

But why did they do that to the socks? Dear lord, most every team has a normal striped sock that\’s not cut up in the back….

Interesting that they went with the cup winning jerseys rather then the original ones with orange numbers that were rumored.[/quote]

Nah, it can be done –

link

The Isles just chose not to expand the stripes.

[quote comment=”296998″]Sorry, here are the rest of the helmet hats

link
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link
link
link
link
link
link
link
link

…anyone else think that it’s ironic that all but PSU’s and questionably WV’s hat’s are schools that get cold weather? I would expect a bigger BigTen showing for realism with the marketing.

Does anyone have a link to when Paul did the piece on the Light Blue / Pink color combo? I think it was about a year ago. Or if anyone knew what month it was I could look in the archive myself. Thanks.

[quote comment=”297125″]Does anyone have a link to when Paul did the piece on the Light Blue / Pink color combo? I think it was about a year ago. Or if anyone knew what month it was I could look in the archive myself. Thanks.[/quote]

I mean Light Blue and BROWN, sorry about that.

Just showed Jimmy Rollins wearing the Fudd Cap in the game.

[quote comment=”297129″]Just showed Jimmy Rollins wearing the Fudd Cap in the game.[/quote]

Looks like Crawford is also wearing one.

[quote comment=”297131″][quote comment=”297129″]Just showed Jimmy Rollins wearing the Fudd Cap in the game.[/quote]

Looks like Crawford is also wearing one.[/quote]

And Bartlett, so it looks like a number of players are wearing them.

I’m watching the Bruins vs Oilers and the Oilers are in their retro third jerseys. They look very, very nice and Mathieu Garon is wearing a retro mask and retro vaughn pads with a gaudy (but still so beautiful!) bright orange blocker glove. No pictures yet, but if i can grab any I will.

Whoops, Roloson’s in net, not Garon.

no link because if the phils hold on tonight it will be gone, but mlb.com is preselling ws champion tees for both teams. they have a tee canvas with a question mark on them for the photo and if you read this in time you can see it at the mlb.com shop or it is in the rotation of ads on the mlb.com home page

I realize that I am probably in the minority, but I actually like the Elmer Fudd caps!

[quote comment=”297142″][quote comment=”297141″]I realize that I am probably in the minority, but I actually like the Elmer Fudd caps![/quote]

I like ’em too- style is important, but ya gotta do something when it’s cold, and I think that of all the choices, this looks the best.

I’d actually like mlb to sell them; my dad would love it- and he’d probably stop wearing actual elmer fudd hats.[/quote]

link, this is gonna be a MUST HAVE for holiday 08 shopping

twenty eight bucks aint that bad

[quote comment=”297142″][quote comment=”297141″]I realize that I am probably in the minority, but I actually like the Elmer Fudd caps![/quote]

I like ’em too- style is important, but ya gotta do something when it’s cold, and I think that of all the choices, this looks the best.

I’d actually like mlb to sell them; my dad would love it- and he’d probably stop wearing actual elmer fudd hats.[/quote]
I’d totally wear one. It would be perfect for “cold” San Francisco nights and skiing at Lake Tahoe! If anybody finds out where to buy them, be sure to let us know.

[quote comment=”297143″][quote comment=”297142″][quote comment=”297141″]I realize that I am probably in the minority, but I actually like the Elmer Fudd caps![/quote]

I like ’em too- style is important, but ya gotta do something when it’s cold, and I think that of all the choices, this looks the best.

I’d actually like mlb to sell them; my dad would love it- and he’d probably stop wearing actual elmer fudd hats.[/quote]

link, this is gonna be a MUST HAVE for holiday 08 shopping

twenty eight bucks aint that bad[/quote]

ok, only 6 teams? They gotta add the royals for me!

[quote comment=”296904″]Correct me if I’m wrong here, but aren’t the 49ers the only one of pro football’s “dynasties” of the past 50 years or so (Packers, Dolphins, Steelers and Cowboys being the others) that isn’t wearing essentially the same unis as their glory years? Yes, I know…Dolphins have screwed around with orange jerseys and aqua pants, but basically the look is the same.

So there it is. That’s why they’ve been on a downhill plunge since the change; they’ve offended the uni gods.

Change ’em back, Niners. For another thing, they just LOOK better. And go back to white shoes, too. Not every team should wear black, not every team should wear white…but white calls to mind Rice-Montana, et al, so go with it.

—Ricko
(Man, when I get to be King, things’ll be different. LOL)[/quote]

Yeah I agree with this, but we need Rice and Montana back, too.

[quote comment=”297061″][quote comment=”297059″][quote comment=”297055″][quote comment=”296957″][quote comment=”296954″][quote comment=”296939″]Quick question for all you footwear gurus out there … What brand is this?:
link

Rawlings, I think. A late 70’s shoe. In that era when Brooks, Converse, Mizuno, Acics, Pony–even Spaulding–lept feet first into the cleat business. Right before Nike came along to begin its rise to prominence (dominance?).

—Ricko[/quote]

Oh, yeah, Wilson tried to get in there, too.

Shown here on Ken Stabler for football, but I remember Bernie Carbo wearing a pair of red onces (with royal trim) with the Red Sox. Carbo was big on off-brands. Wore those Rawlings in red while a Cardinal.

link

Never knew those were Wilson. You can see the top part is a “W” and the stripe looks like a modified swoosh or an upside-down puma stripe.

Another “off” baseball brand, New Balance: link

Pro-Keds took a shot at the cleat marketplace, too. Check Joe Theismann during ’83 and Jeffrey Leonard of the Giants in ’83 or ’84.[/quote]

Spaulding (no Caddyshack quotes, please): link

You are all dead on right. I pride myself on sports footwear knowledge. Rawlings, Wilson, Spalding, they were all there. The one that came from NOWHERE is Brooks. Early 70s it was all Puma and Adidas, they had taken over for Riddell in the NFL..then Brooks came from nowhere. Pony was huge, too.

I was the first guy in an otherwise Puma and Adidas dominated Mariemont HS in Cincinnati..to wear Nike. (the white canvas/power blue ‘All-Court’ and leather ‘Wimdledon.’ At the time, they’d go, “Nike? (as in Mike.) Sounds dated now, I know. The BB team soon switched to the “Bruin.”

[quote] was the first guy in an otherwise Puma and Adidas dominated Mariemont HS in Cincinnati..to wear Nike. (the white canvas/power blue ‘All-Court’ and leather ‘Wimdledon.’ At the time, they’d go, “Nike? (as in Mike.) Sounds dated now, I know. The BB team soon switched to the “Bruin.”[/quote]

right there with ya brinke…i somehow convinced my ‘rents i played better in tacchini clothes and nik(e)s…had the leather for the hards, and the canvas for teh clay…and kramer autographs

[quote comment=”297136″]Ugh… Titans should be wearing their dark blue pants. Yuk.[/quote]I really think they should always be wearing the white pants no matter which jerseys they go with, but for some reason, I don’t hate this powder blue on powder blue look. I feel like I should be hating it, though.

They need to abandon the dark blues, though.

If the Fudd nomenclature doesn’t work, how about the Floyd R. Turbo (with a cap tip to the late Johny Carson.)

The “Elmer Fudds” are 39/30s that makes a lot of sense the brims looked to be pre-curved and the material did not look the same as the traditional 59/50s but with the caps being wet it was hard to tell..I like the ear flap look a lot better than stocking caps overtop of or underneath the regular cap…it may not be a traditional look but its doesn’t take away from the uniform and as a Buffalo native if this is a new trend that brings some revenue to the Buffalo based New Era Company I’m all for it

[quote comment=”297157″]If the Fudd nomenclature doesn’t work, how about the Floyd R. Turbo (with a cap tip to the late Johny Carson.)[/quote]
Or the ‘Grumpy Old Man’, which applies to Maddon’s feelings about the umps tonight.
link

Carlos Pena just bailed out MLB.

[quote comment=”297148″]just google “Downflap 39THIRTY Cap” and you should hit the motherlode[/quote]
the only problem is that those aren’t what the players are wearing, but they are close.

[quote comment=”297166″][quote comment=”297163″]Carlos Pena just bailed out MLB.[/quote]

no shit larry…i was just thinking the same thing

/oh goodie, my local news is on…sure hope this game ends at 1:48 am…it’s not like i have to work in the morning[/quote]

[quote comment=”297163″]Carlos Pena just bailed out MLB.[/quote]

I swear I posted that before McCarver said it.

This is the double-edged sword of the drain-thru fields. They kept playing because the condition of the field was “playable” but the overall condition certainly was not. To think they could have gotten in 9 was absurd. Don’t know what you do, decide the world championship in a six inning game or worse have it decided by someone dropping a fly ball. They are still going to get destroyed but at least they have a day to do damage control.

[quote comment=”297168″][quote comment=”297156″][quote comment=”297154″][quote comment=”297152″]while i totally agree with the “fudd” nomenclature, link, right? ;)[/quote]
I disagree. I think those red panels on the side are the flaps. His hat’s even got the laces at the top to secure the flaps in the up position like link.[/quote]

link?

i’ll grant you that they are flaps, but i cannot find ANY pics of him link tho[/quote]
Here ya go…
link
Whoa! That’s like the holy grail of, uh, Elmer Fudd pics.

[quote]Apparently the announcers don’t get it…they kept saying that if Pena hadn’t batted in that run, then that would’ve been it for the Rays cuz MLB would’ve called it and the Phils would’ve run. Obviously, MLB would have NEVER called the game if one team had the lead…they were just praying for a tie at the end of the inning.[/quote]

either that or you would have had the longest rain delay in history…no way were they gonna decide a world series in a six inning game

[quote]They are still going to get destroyed but at least they have a day to do damage control.[/quote]

yup…officially suspended till tomorrow

[quote]you can’t change the rules on the fly. It would be tantamount to fraud. They are RULES not suggestions. There is nothing in the book that says “these are the rules, except when it’s the last game of the World Series”.[/quote]

while i agree with you, much like the 2000 election, you’d have half the nation thinking they wuz robbed…even after they went back and counted all the votes after the supreme court decision (and bush still won), mlb would have had a HUGE black eye

i think they would have tried to get a full 9 innings in even if it meant restarting the game at 2 am

[quote comment=”297177″][quote]you can’t change the rules on the fly. It would be tantamount to fraud. They are RULES not suggestions. There is nothing in the book that says “these are the rules, except when it’s the last game of the World Series”.[/quote]

while i agree with you, much like the 2000 election, you’d have half the nation thinking they wuz robbed…even after they went back and counted all the votes after the supreme court decision (and bush still won), mlb would have had a HUGE black eye

i think they would have tried to get a full 9 innings in even if it meant restarting the game at 2 am[/quote]

And thus my original statement, Carlos Pena MVP. Terri, everyone with a ticket gets to come back. Lost of flights are being changed right now!

[quote comment=”297178″]they did not count all votes in 2000[/quote]

link…it just wasn’t widely reported because it confirmed a bush victory…something the media has, to this day, neither forgotten nor forgiven

from that article:

[quote] the analysis concluded that … even if the Supreme Court had not stepped in to block a statewide manual recount, Mr. Bush would have won.[/quote]

So they’re going to start at 8pm, no matter what day it is…tentatively tommorrow, but the weather is still supposed to be terrible. According to Selig “We’ll stay here even if we have to celebrate Thanksgiving here.”

So what are the odds that weather.com crashes from so many hits on Philly’s forecast?

Phil, Paul:
link

[quote comment=”297174″][quote comment=”297173″][quote]Apparently the announcers don’t get it…they kept saying that if Pena hadn’t batted in that run, then that would’ve been it for the Rays cuz MLB would’ve called it and the Phils would’ve run. Obviously, MLB would have NEVER called the game if one team had the lead…they were just praying for a tie at the end of the inning.[/quote]

either that or you would have had the longest rain delay in history…no way were they gonna decide a world series in a six inning game[/quote]

There is nothing in the book that says “these are the rules, except when it’s the last game of the World Series”.[/quote]

Apparently there is.

So if the Phillies lose this two-day game because of the rain and the city’s fans need to call it a “scandal” to make themselves feel better, can we call it “Floodgate?”

[quote comment=”297187″][quote comment=”297174″][quote comment=”297173″][quote]Apparently the announcers don’t get it…they kept saying that if Pena hadn’t batted in that run, then that would’ve been it for the Rays cuz MLB would’ve called it and the Phils would’ve won. Obviously, MLB would have NEVER called the game if one team had the lead…they were just praying for a tie at the end of the inning.[/quote]

either that or you would have had the longest rain delay in history…no way were they gonna decide a world series in a six inning game[/quote]

There is nothing in the book that says “these are the rules, except when it’s the last game of the World Series”.[/quote]

Apparently there is.[/quote]
Yeah, apparently there is. Check near the end of link for this tidbit: “Selig said he determined [before the game] Saturday in consultation with the two general managers, Philadelphia’s Pat Gillick and Tampa Bay’s Andrew Friedman, that the Series would not end on a yellow, as the NASCAR kids like to say.”