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Apparently they were voting for something or other in Michigan yesterday. But the bigger election story came, as election stories so often do, from Washington. Only this one had nothing to do with the White House.

Here’s the deal: About a year and a half ago, Major League Baseball randomly selected about 20,000 of MLB.com’s registered users and invited them to join a huge virtual focus group called Fans at Bat (further background info, much of it somewhat sick-making, is here). The focus group members — several of whom happen to be Uni Watch readers — have periodically been prompted to fill out online questionnaires and give feedback regarding various MLB policies and decisions. One of the early questionnaires involved getting feedback on the U.S. national team’s uniforms (I’m pretty sure I ran a Ticker item on that back at the time, but at the moment I can’t find it), but apparently none of the others have been uni-related.

Until now, that is. Several readers checked in yesterday to inform me that the latest Fans at Bat survey had just kicked into gear and that it involved the Nationals’ uniforms. Kim Kolb explains how the questionnaire began:

[The survey started by asking] if I had any MLB wearable merch (hats, jerseys, sweatshirts, T-shirts, etc.), and who my favorite team was. I answered “Phillies,” but the survey didn’t seem to care. It basically said, “We’re going to ask you about the Nationals…”

Ben Park picks up the sequence from there:

The survey started by asking what my favorite team was (I’m a Cardinals fan). Then it told me there were several questions concerning the Nationals uniforms that they wanted info about, regardless of how I felt about the team, which I thought was very interesting. ”¦ I’ve learned in the past that once the web link is used, it can’t be used again, so this time I made sure to get screen grabs of the questions so I could send them to you.

Thanks to Ben’s quick thinking, we can all see that the survey asks for a basic assessment of the Nats’ home whites, then asks a squishy follow-up question, and then repeats the process for the road grays, the alt reds, and the cap logos. Then there’s an overall assessment and a chance to make suggestions.

The most interesting questions, of course, aren’t the ones in the survey. They’re more along the lines of “Are the Nats thinking of a uni revision?” and “Is this because the team’s merch sales are in the toilet?” and “How soon can I cast my vote against the Mets’ black jersey?”

Todd Radom, who designed the Nats’ threads, says this is all news to him and that he doesn’t know anything about any planned changes (not that they’d necessarily tell him anyway), and I’m too busy with other stuff right now to pester the MLB people about this (not that they’d tell me anything either), but I hope we can revisit this topic in more detail at a later date. Uni design via referendum doesn’t strike me as the smartest idea in the world.

Meanwhile, just to bring things full circle, I caught a quick glimpse of a Mitt Romney campaign rally on TV yesterday and noticed that many of the people in the crowd were holding up signs shaped like baseball gloves — mitts, get it? Only problem is, a regular fielder’s glove is not a mitt, because “mitt” is short for “mitten” and only applies to the fingerless gloves worn by catchers and first basemen. Do we really want a president whose campaign makes this sort of mistake? I think not.

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Uni Watch Calendar: Coupla events coming up that NYC-area readers will want to know about. The first one is next Tuesday evening, January 22nd, when I’m going to be participating in a performance/presentation thingie at Union Hall in Park Slope.
The event is called Adult Education (the name wasn’t my idea, believe me), and the topic is “Micro-genres,” which in my case means I’ll be talking about the largely hidden realm of trade magazines — American Funeral Director, Elevator World, Hay & Forage Grower, etc. Each of these industry-specific magazines is a little world unto itself, full of really weird articles and ads for solutions to problems you never thought of. An oddly compelling little corner of the media world. In addition, my pal Liz Clayton will discuss fast-food restaurants that have been repurposed into other sorts of businesses (a topic she also explores on this excellent site), Jim Hanas will discuss meta-tourism (photos of tourists taking photos), Heidi Cody will talk about depictions of Eskimos and Indians on food packaging, and Russell Scholl will examine TV commercials for personal hygiene products. I’m fairly certain it’ll be fun. Plus it’s free. Festivities begin at 8 p.m.

And just like last year, I’ve decided to convene a Brooklyn Uni Watch party on the day before the Super Bowl, which is February 2nd. Venue and starting time are still being finalized, but figure mid-afternoon in the Park Slope-ish vicinity. Further details to follow shortly.

Uni Watch News Ticker: The Bridgeport Sound Tigers wore camouflage jerseys the other night. Additional pics and info here (with thanks to Tom Liodice). ”¦ Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: Prior to the release of Revenge of the Sith, George Lucas sponsored a Formula 1 race car, complete with storm trooper helmets for the pit crew (with thanks to Sarah Schneider). ”¦ You know how some players have their uni numbers written on their socks and/or stirrups? Four-time New York governor and 1928 Democratic presidential nominee Al Smith took things a bit further than that (nice find by Eric Trager). ”¦ During the Cowboys/Giants broadcast, the announcers mentioned Brandon Jacobs’s extra-large thigh pads,” writes Nate Budziszewski. “Sure enough, they are huge.” ”¦ On Monday I wrote that several of the Packers like to tuck their collar trim into their pads, resulting in a lower placement for the NFL Equipment logo. But Alex Ramirez says this is a matter of tailoring, not tucking: “I got some screen caps of Donald Driver [without his pads],” he writes. “As you can see, the collar trim is cut differently. I wonder if this is something Marge Switzer would have done.” Good question, although I’m fairly certain she won’t say. ”¦ Major cleavage alert at the Australian Open, where Austrian phenom Tamira Paszek was pulling a Serena the other day. ”¦ Interesting note from Will Radie, who writes: “While reading Messier (a great read by the way), I discovered that When Messier came to the Rangers, he missed the first game of the season because the trade hadn’t yet been finalized. Adam Graves took Messier’s No. 11 for that first game in honor of his former teammate (Messier was still technically an Oiler). So are there pictures of Graves wearing an No. 11 jersey out there?” ”¦ Good views here of the paisley-trimmed design that UNC’s women’s hoops team wore in the early ’90s (with thanks to Todd Krvanchi). ”¦ Yesterday’s comments included some pics of a phenomenon with which I’d previously been unfamiliar: ski jumping at sports stadiums, as seen here at Soldier Field and Dodger Stadium. Bizarre. ”¦ Also from yesterday: Cam Ward has his surname engraved into his mask. ”¦ The Chicago Fire have taken on Best Buy as a jersey sponsor. More pics and details here. ”¦ Nowadays, of course, NFL waistband towels feature the NFL and Wilson logos. Too bad they can’t go back to this (nice spot by Dan Herr). ”¦ If you download this PDF, you’ll get a little style guide for the University of North Dakota’s graphics (with thanks to Jay Danbom). ”¦ Jeremy Brahm found some great old photos of Japanese Olympic attire, including 1932 gymnastics; 1924 marathon (toe shoes!); 1908 speed skating (check out the skates); 1936 figure skating; 1912 track and field; and 1952 wrestling. ”¦ Also from Jeremy: the latest outfit from Japanese table tennis fashion plate Naomi Yotsumoto. “It’s based on Joan of Arc because Yotsumoto wants to make a revolution in table tennis,” he explains. ”¦ This photo is part of a Flash sequence on the Pistons’ web site. Not sure of the date, but here’s my question: When did NBA refs stop wearing zebra stripes? ”¦ The Cincy Bearcats football team is switching to Adidas (with thanks to Matt Lesser). ”¦ Jay Swenson reports that the Great Falls White Sox have become the Great Falls Voyagers, thanks in part to a viral marketing campaign that included phony UFO sightings. ”¦ Each day seems to bring a better photo of the muff sack play (this one courtesy of Geoff Poole). … Apparently you really can find anything on craigslist (good spot by Erik Koper). … Possibly the biggest bowl patches ever, worn by Auburn in the 1990 Hall of Fame Bowl (good find by Jeffrey Lindquist). ”¦ Not uni-related, but two great bits at HomerDerby.com: Harry Caray going on a truly hilarious anti-Cracker Jack rant (he compares the product to corrupt Congressmen, among other things), and a series of stadium demolition videos.

 
  
 
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    Not quite uni related but did anybody notice that the footballs in the cowboy-giants game had what looked like a gold spot on the tip of the ball.

    That Voyagers marketing campaign is genius, i love it! The NHL needs to talk to these people to get some GOOD ideas on their marketing efforts.

    The Star Wars tie-in was not the only time that Red Bull Racing has done movie promotion at the Grand Prix of Monaco. They did similar branding for the release of link. David Coulthard finished third in the race, and had to continue the promotion on the link.

    I was at the Capitals-Senators game last night and noticed each goalie had a small uni issue. the Capitals had back -up goalie Brent Johnson in goal and he wore simple white cotton socks, not the tight fitting red ones the rest of the team wears. On the other side, Senators goalie, Ray Emery was wearing last seasons cotton red and black striped socks. Of course I did not have my camera….but the question remains: can goalies wear any sock they want since they are mostly covered with their pads? Is there some sort of fine for not wearing the full uniform which matches the rest of the team?

    It seems odd that MLB would ask questions about the Nationals uniforms now. The new ballpark is set to open in 74 days and it is full of curly W’s and the existing logos.

    For the record, I love the curly W. I understand why people want to see the DC logo used more, but it is too clunky on the cap for my taste.

    And as I have mentioned in a post awhile back, John Erskine of the Caps still does not zip up his pants (breezers, whatever).
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    [quote]Good views here of the paisley-trimmed design that UNC’s women’s hoops team wore in the early ’90s (with thanks to Todd Krvanchi). [/quote]

    Left out the link in there.

    [quote comment=”203748″][quote]Good views here of the paisley-trimmed design that UNC’s women’s hoops team wore in the early ’90s (with thanks to Todd Krvanchi). [/quote]

    Left out the link in there.[/quote]

    Oops. Now fixed.

    Good views where of the paisley-trimmed design that UNC’s women’s hoops team wore in the early ’90s (with thanks to Todd Krvanchi)?!

    The trade mags I get (Healthcare Financial Management being the best of the bunch) are sadly boring – even to those in the field. Offbeat trade mags are lots of fun, though.

    [quote comment=”203751″]Good views where of the paisley-trimmed design that UNC’s women’s hoops team wore in the early ’90s (with thanks to Todd Krvanchi)?![/quote]

    Woops. Sorry a little late on that. Thanks.

    I’ve asked Post writers on chats about potential Nats’ uni changes and they usually answer that the Lerners aren’t planning anything except an emphasis on the curly W. Maybe next year?

    gloves for romney…i think not

    [quote]Four-time New York governor and 1928 Democratic presidential nominee Al Smith took things a bit further than that (nice find by Eric Trager).[/quote]

    al smith link…who’s the fat dude?

    its surprising that they focus on just the nationals…
    2 years ago, i would have thought it to be appropriate as MLB owned the nationals then.
    but now, arent they overstepping their bounds?
    can they really go to a team with a recommendation to change their branding?

    I remember watching the Vet demolition on link (ABC) here in Philly. The link came out to do a speech (got booed, of course) and botched the countdown.
    They had a plunger that Greg Luczynski and the link pushed down on that had already fallen down during the course of the proceedings.
    To top it all off, somebody in the crowd yelled link at the top of their lungs as the Vet was link live over the air.
    A perfect ending, I’d say.

    [quote comment=”203745″]I die a little inside everytime I watch the video of link coming down.[/quote]

    Just imagine how we’ll feel when they take down the Spectrum for a Mall. There are fifteen warehouse/parking lots that would be better suited for that mall then the spectrum.

    [quote comment=”203739″]It seems odd that MLB would ask questions about the Nationals uniforms now. The new ballpark is set to open in 74 days and it is full of curly W’s and the existing logos.

    For the record, I love the curly W. I understand why people want to see the DC logo used more, but it is too clunky on the cap for my taste.[/quote]

    I never did like the curly W with the modern “Nationals” font, either make the Nationals scripted to match the W or vice-versa. Plus, I think Fans at Bat needs to address a more pressing issue, that is, getting players to wear the pants properly.
    On another note, I love that Storm trooper pit crew!

    [quote comment=”203755″]gloves for romney…i think not

    [quote]Four-time New York governor and 1928 Democratic presidential nominee Al Smith took things a bit further than that (nice find by Eric Trager).[/quote]

    al smith link…who’s the fat dude?[/quote]

    The Babe was known as a big Smith supporter in 1928. I have seen pics of him wearing Smith campaign material, but can’t track it down at the moment.

    [quote comment=”203759″][quote comment=”203745″]I die a little inside everytime I watch the video of link coming down.[/quote]

    Just imagine how we’ll feel when they take down the Spectrum for a Mall. There are fifteen warehouse/parking lots that would be better suited for that mall then the spectrum.[/quote]

    We’re lucky that the Spectrum is still standing as/is the way things go these days.
    Sure we’ll have memories, but I, along with most of the Philly area, haven’t been there in about 10 years.

    That whole are needs revitalization, if it has to start with taking down “the rectum”, so be it.

    I was at that 1990 Hall of Fame Bowl (now Outback Bowl) between Auburn and Ohio State. Largest bowl patches ever vs. largest tv numbers ever…good matchup. BTW, Auburn won easily (remember Ohio St. is winless against SEC foes) 31-14. :)

    [quote comment=”203760″][quote comment=”203739″]It seems odd that MLB would ask questions about the Nationals uniforms now. The new ballpark is set to open in 74 days and it is full of curly W’s and the existing logos.

    For the record, I love the curly W. I understand why people want to see the DC logo used more, but it is too clunky on the cap for my taste.[/quote]

    I never did like the curly W with the modern “Nationals” font, either make the Nationals scripted to match the W or vice-versa. Plus, I think Fans at Bat needs to address a more pressing issue, that is, getting players to wear the pants properly.
    On another note, I love that Storm trooper pit crew![/quote]

    Even though I prefer the “DC” design I respected the decision to have a link past with the curly “W”. Like you, I wish they had gone with a uniform that complemented the script, as long as they went with that style.

    [quote comment=”203738″]I was at the Capitals-Senators game last night and noticed each goalie had a small uni issue. the Capitals had back -up goalie Brent Johnson in goal and he wore simple white cotton socks, not the tight fitting red ones the rest of the team wears. On the other side, Senators goalie, Ray Emery was wearing last seasons cotton red and black striped socks. Of course I did not have my camera….but the question remains: can goalies wear any sock they want since they are mostly covered with their pads? Is there some sort of fine for not wearing the full uniform which matches the rest of the team?[/quote]

    No pics, but I’ve seen Carolina goalie Cam Ward up close, and this year, he wears these awful tan or khaki colored socks, so I guess there is no rule, since the socks can only be seen from the back anyway…..

    [quote comment=”203735″]link of Tamira Paszek’s truly amazing outfit engineering[/quote]

    Whoa, wait, she’s 17!?!?!

    The most interesting questions, of course, aren’t the ones in the survey. They’re more along the lines of “Are the Nats thinking of a uni revision?” and “Is this because the team’s merch sales are in the toilet?”

    I say it is time to revisit the uniwatch design contest that had readers design the new Washington unis as the Expos headed to DC! And I’m not saying this just because I won. (OK, maybe I am.)

    link

    [quote comment=”203773″]The most interesting questions, of course, aren’t the ones in the survey. They’re more along the lines of “Are the Nats thinking of a uni revision?” and “Is this because the team’s merch sales are in the toilet?”

    I say it is time to revisit the uniwatch design contest that had readers design the new Washington unis as the Expos headed to DC! And I’m not saying this just because I won. (OK, maybe I am.)

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    Ok…but shouldn’t it be for a different team…

    A couple of things:

    1. I’m looking forward to Adult Education as well as the Brooklyn Uni-Gathering.

    2. In the pic of Jacobs’ thigh pad, the Cowboy defender on the left must be wearing a Schutt helmet for there is no nose bumper.

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    This dates back to the 90’s when Aikman, Haley, Norton, Erik Williams and Moose all wore Schutt AiR helmets without bumpers.

    Aikman actually with the AiR logo that Schutt used to use:
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    Aikman without:

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    Haley Cowboys without:

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    Haley 49ers with:

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    Slightly OT, but only because I can’t seem to register for ESPN page 2.

    There is an earlier NHL memorial patch than the one given to Pelle Lindberg. Same team, though — the Flyers put a 4 inside a small circle at the top of the shoulder in the mid-70s to remember Barry Ashbee, who died of leukemia. Very small, very subtle. Have to look for it to even see it.

    As for the 17-year-old Austrian — meh. Mary Pierce in her prime was, ah, pretty. Oh, so pretty. And witty. And bright.

    The reports of Romney’s intelligence and attention to sports are greatly exaggerated:

    “I’m an English literature major. When we say I saw the Patriots win the World Series, it doesn’t necessarily mean you were there.” (Mitt Romney, Dec. 20th)

    [quote comment=”203772″][quote comment=”203735″]link of Tamira Paszek’s truly amazing outfit engineering[/quote]

    Whoa, wait, she’s 17!?!?![/quote]

    a remember hearing a man once say…
    “if theres grass on the field play ball. if not, sod it.”
    i think that man is in jail now…

    [quote comment=”203773″]The most interesting questions, of course, aren’t the ones in the survey. They’re more along the lines of “Are the Nats thinking of a uni revision?” and “Is this because the team’s merch sales are in the toilet?”

    I say it is time to revisit the uniwatch design contest that had readers design the new Washington unis as the Expos headed to DC! And I’m not saying this just because I won. (OK, maybe I am.)

    link

    Several entrants lamented that the White House’s current occupant has turned the letter W into a rather loaded proposition. So why not base the cap logo on “D.C.” instead? Here’s the best such submission (whose creator also runs BallWonk, an excellent blog devoted to Washington-area baseball).
    Doesn’t this design appear to give reference to the president before “W”?

    [quote comment=”203793″][quote comment=”203773″]The most interesting questions, of course, aren’t the ones in the survey. They’re more along the lines of “Are the Nats thinking of a uni revision?” and “Is this because the team’s merch sales are in the toilet?”

    I say it is time to revisit the uniwatch design contest that had readers design the new Washington unis as the Expos headed to DC! And I’m not saying this just because I won. (OK, maybe I am.)

    link

    Several entrants lamented that the White House’s current occupant has turned the letter W into a rather loaded proposition. So why not base the cap logo on “D.C.” instead? Here’s the best such submission (whose creator also runs BallWonk, an excellent blog devoted to Washington-area baseball).
    Doesn’t this design appear to give reference to the president before “W”?
    [/quote]

    I still can’t believe that anybody thinks people will think their Nats hat is a political statement. Seems ridiculous to me.

    Although I like to refer to the DC hat as the Dick Cheney hat, because I think it is funny that people would choose that because the W gives them the willies.

    More photos of Tamira Paszek’s truly amazing outfit engineering

    Whoa, wait, she’s 17!?!?!

    a remember hearing a man once say…
    “if theres grass on the field play ball. if not, sod it.”
    i think that man is in jail now…

    Hopefully, that isn’t why your former career was only four years long!

    Paul, the Rio Grande Killer Bees also held a promotional night for Star Wars when Revenge of the Sith came out. While there was no mention made of George Lucas personally sponsoring the Central Hockey League team or the event, they clearly link for the event.

    Personally, it’s kind of a neat looking jersey.

    [quote comment=”203756″]its surprising that they focus on just the nationals…
    2 years ago, i would have thought it to be appropriate as MLB owned the nationals then.
    but now, arent they overstepping their bounds?
    can they really go to a team with a recommendation to change their branding?[/quote]

    how is it odd? The Nats contacted MLB and asked them to send out the questions.

    Louisiana Tech will eventually release a new Athletic wordmark and Bulldog logo (“New Logos Soon!” on right side of the link). Tech has used the link design for decades, and will continue to use it, but the link has been link throughout the school’s link. Tech has already sent a survey to fans/alumni asking their opinions on current logos and using the term “LaTech” in an official way (this has many fans split, currently the school discourages the use of anything but “Tech” or “Louisiana Tech”).

    how is it odd? The Nats contacted MLB and asked them to send out the questions.

    Maybe the Rays should have thought about that!

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    The other day, Paul included a photo of an Indians jersey with a “Progressive” nameplate. I am not sure the first picture in link is any different. Even so, it is cool that the AAA Braves club will be so close. As a resident of Gwinnett County, it should be interesting.

    ~E~

    [quote comment=”203806″]how is it odd? The Nats contacted MLB and asked them to send out the questions.

    Maybe the Rays should have thought about that!

    link

    The Rays did. They sent a letter to the MLB office and they responded…”link?”

    Paul, the FansAtBat survey isn’t a ‘Design by referendum’ … it’s more of a recall vote. Hopefully, the Design by Referendum stage never occurs, though that may be fun, too.

    Other than being red, white and blue, I don’t think there’s an element of the Nats uniforms that I do like. A big problem was probably that it was designed by committee when MLB owned them.

    And all credit to Ben Park for being quicker than me in realizing when a UniWatch moment was happening.

    [quote comment=”203807″]Those pictures of Tamira now gives me twoo more reasons to watch tennis!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

    At least they’re something to take my eyes off her butter face…..

    Yeah, I said it.

    [quote comment=”203802″][quote comment=”203756″]its surprising that they focus on just the nationals…
    2 years ago, i would have thought it to be appropriate as MLB owned the nationals then.
    but now, arent they overstepping their bounds?
    can they really go to a team with a recommendation to change their branding?[/quote]

    how is it odd? The Nats contacted MLB and asked them to send out the questions.[/quote]

    where did it say that the nationals contacted mlb about this? the article mentions nothing that the nationals are working with MLB on this issue.
    plus, isnt it the nationals responsibility to take care of the focus group, the survey, etc. and not MLB’s?

    [quote comment=”203738″]I was at the Capitals-Senators game last night and noticed each goalie had a small uni issue. the Capitals had back -up goalie Brent Johnson in goal and he wore simple white cotton socks, not the tight fitting red ones the rest of the team wears. On the other side, Senators goalie, Ray Emery was wearing last seasons cotton red and black striped socks. Of course I did not have my camera….but the question remains: can goalies wear any sock they want since they are mostly covered with their pads? Is there some sort of fine for not wearing the full uniform which matches the rest of the team?[/quote]
    Since goalies tend to be “quirky”, (see Gilles Gratton’s link, link habit of throwing up before every game, etc.) the operative rule is “whatever the goalie wants”… I suspect the cotton socks are simply more comfortable than whatever crap RBK is using now; and it takes a sharp-eyed observer to notice any difference between the goalie’s mostly-hidden socks and the visible uniform socks of the skaters.

    My “quirk”? I used a belt to hold my pants up… I never could get used to the suspenders!

    [quote comment=”203792″][quote comment=”203772″][quote comment=”203735″]link of Tamira Paszek’s truly amazing outfit engineering[/quote]

    Whoa, wait, she’s 17!?!?![/quote]

    a remember hearing a man once say…
    “if theres grass on the field play ball. if not, sod it.”
    i think that man is in jail now…[/quote]

    no…im out, but i still have to wear the ankle bracelet and im not allowed within 100 feet of any school or day care center

    /carry on

    The Nationals definitely need to make an update of link jersey. The ultra-modern gold/red or gold/blue lettering just looks ridiculous when put next to the hat. I’d also like to see the block W from the way-old-school Senators hats (1920’s), but it wouldn’t fit with the script jerseys.

    Regarding the Red Bull Racing Star Wars thingy, I believe that came out for the Monaco Grand Prix in the same year that Episode III came out. Red Bull and the old owners of the team, Jaguar, have a bit of a history with promotions at Monaco, with some going better than link

    Harry Carey’s rant on Cracker Jacks was great. And to show what kind of a pro he was, he never missed a pitched while ranting away. That’s what makes baseball announcers more special than the other sports. Lots of built-in down time when you can rift on subjects. You’d never hear that anywhere else.

    I saw the new Gatorade “League of Clutch” magazine ad yesterday. Does anyone know why Derek Jeter isn’t wearing a real link even though Manning and D-Wade are wearing their team unis? Is there some type of copyright issue between the Yanks and Gatorade?

    [quote comment=”203828″]I saw the new Gatorade “League of Clutch” magazine ad yesterday. Does anyone know why Derek Jeter isn’t wearing a real link even though Manning and D-Wade are wearing their team unis? Is there some type of copyright issue between the Yanks and Gatorade?[/quote]

    Good question.

    I’m glad to see my favorite women’s beach volleyball team of Walsh and May-Treanor made the ad also! Coincidentally, they frequently wear Gatorade temporary tattoos on their upper arms, but Gatorade decided against putting them in the picture.

    link

    [quote comment=”203821″][quote comment=”203802″][quote comment=”203756″]its surprising that they focus on just the nationals…
    2 years ago, i would have thought it to be appropriate as MLB owned the nationals then.
    but now, arent they overstepping their bounds?
    can they really go to a team with a recommendation to change their branding?[/quote]

    how is it odd? The Nats contacted MLB and asked them to send out the questions.[/quote]

    where did it say that the nationals contacted mlb about this? the article mentions nothing that the nationals are working with MLB on this issue.
    plus, isnt it the nationals responsibility to take care of the focus group, the survey, etc. and not MLB’s?[/quote]

    Something like this likely happened
    MLB: “hi teams we entered into agreement with a survey company, if you ever want to do a survey you can contact us to use the service, heres the details…”
    time passes
    Washington: “MLB offices? this is the nationals, we’d like to do a survey and you guys are set up for it, here are the questions.”
    MLB: “OK, no problem, we’ll send it out.”

    I saw the new Gatorade “League of Clutch” magazine ad yesterday. Does anyone know why Derek Jeter isn’t wearing a real Yankees Uniform even though Manning and D-Wade are wearing their team unis? Is there some type of copyright issue between the Yanks and Gatorade?

    Not between the Yankees and Gatorade, but MLB and Gatorade, I think.

    [quote comment=”203757″]I remember watching the Vet demolition on link (ABC) here in Philly. The link came out to do a speech (got booed, of course) and botched the countdown.
    They had a plunger that Greg Luczynski and the link pushed down on that had already fallen down during the course of the proceedings.
    To top it all off, somebody in the crowd yelled link at the top of their lungs as the Vet was link live over the air.
    A perfect ending, I’d say.[/quote]

    Veterans Stadium link complete with ex-Mayor (about time) Street’s infamous countdown.

    long time reader, first time commenter (commentator?) here…

    just thought you’d all like to know that the University of Dayton men’s hoops team will be wearing some bad-ass powder blue alternates tonight when they take on UMass.

    The Flyers will also wear some 1970s-era(?) throwbacks next Wednesday when they host St. Louis.

    link

    Saw some dugout pictures on the Yankees web galleries and there are very clearly Powerade coolers in plain site. I would say that the Yankees have a deal with Powerade and so the Yankees won’t allow Jeter to be in a Gatorade ad in a true uniform. I see this all the time around Atlanta with Airtran ads featuring prominent Atlanta athletes in generic uniforms because either the league or team has a deal with Delta.

    [quote comment=”203764″]I was at that 1990 Hall of Fame Bowl (now Outback Bowl) between Auburn and Ohio State. Largest bowl patches ever vs. largest tv numbers ever…good matchup. BTW, Auburn won easily (remember Ohio St. is winless against SEC foes) 31-14. :)[/quote]

    Remeber this:
    link

    He was on the ground for a half hour. I think it was Pat Dye that told him he had to get up and walk off the field or else…

    As for the Nats, I appreciate the effort that went into the current design, however, it does not work at all with the script “W”.

    eith go all modern, or go back to the old script.

    Either way, no pinsptripes, please.

    [quote comment=”203847″][quote comment=”203757″]I remember watching the Vet demolition on link (ABC) here in Philly. The link came out to do a speech (got booed, of course) and botched the countdown.
    They had a plunger that Greg Luczynski and the link pushed down on that had already fallen down during the course of the proceedings.
    To top it all off, somebody in the crowd yelled link at the top of their lungs as the Vet was link live over the air.
    A perfect ending, I’d say.[/quote]

    Veterans Stadium link complete with ex-Mayor (about time) Street’s infamous countdown.[/quote]

    Here’s the link with the F-U at about 1:22.

    It was mentioned a few weeks back Caps Defenseman John Erskine ties his shirt down in the front so it won’t get pulled up in a fight. Now, photographic evidence:
    link

    [quote comment=”203852″]long time reader, first time commenter (commentator?) here…

    just thought you’d all like to know that the University of Dayton men’s hoops team will be wearing some bad-ass powder blue alternates tonight when they take on UMass.

    The Flyers will also wear some 1970s-era(?) throwbacks next Wednesday when they host St. Louis.

    link[/quote]

    An interesting side note on these uniforms. When they were announced about two months ago it was also mentioned that a limited number of replicas if each were going to be on sale at Korporate Kasuals, who do all of the merchandising for UD. When I went home to visit my family for Christmas, I stopped in because I wanted a pair of the throwback shorts. I was disappointed to see no shorts and only 4 of the baby blue alts on the rack. I spoke with one of the owners to find out about the shorts and he told me that he hadn’t brought any in as the $150 price tag would have made them tough to sell. He went on to say that they were not replicas, but they were in fact authentic jerseys direct from Nike. When the school placed their order they added 6 extra jerseys to each order to be sold at Korporate Kasuals and at the spirit shop during the games. The cost of the jersey was $200, so alas I left empty handed.

    As if the Bridgeport Sound Tigers’ camo jersey wasn’t vile enough… they had to put Mastercard logos on them!??!?!?!

    While the Nats jersey needs work, I’m on the fence regarding the cap designs. I like the nod to the old Senators “W” but I also like the interlocking “DC”.

    Yeah, I think I could learn to become a tennis fan…

    -Jet

    The All-Star Player Edition Nike Zoom BB2 shoes that Steve Nash have surfaced on the Web.
    link

    I’m wondering if pics of the game uniforms are out anywhere!

    [quote comment=”203887″]Lots of cool NHL Winter Classic gear up for auction …
    link
    Arrggghhhh! Those bee-yoo-ti-ful Penguins throwback-style jerseys RUINED by the arced cut of the waistline!!!!!

    Oh, the humanity…

    -Jet

    The All-Star Player Edition Nike Zoom BB2 shoes that Steve Nash will be wearing have surfaced on the Web.

    link….

    I’m wondering if pics of the game uniforms are out anywhere?

    Regarding Adam Graves, I’m going strictly from memory here, but I believe 11 was his number since he joined the team, until which point he happily surrendered it to Messier upon his joining the team. If anyone here can locate a 91-92 or 92-93 hockey card of him, his two seasons with the Rangers before Messier joined them, I’d be willing to bet he has number 11.

    On another note, it’s interesting that the ebay auction with UNC jersey makes no mention of the fact that it was the *women’s* uniform. It’s listed as Gender: Male, and yet the description says it’s an authentic jersey that was like the ones used in games. One of those must be incorrect. :)

    Paul – What makes you sure the person with the striped shirt in that old Pistons photo is a ref?

    [quote comment=”203921″]Paul – What makes you sure the person with the striped shirt in that old Pistons photo is a ref?[/quote]

    Well, if he’s NOT a ref, what’s your theory regarding who he is? Some dude in a heavily striped shirt who happens to be at courtside?

    [quote comment=”203921″]Paul – What makes you sure the person with the striped shirt in that old Pistons photo is a ref?[/quote]
    It’s a Foot Locker employee dropping off an order of Chuck Taylors.

    [quote comment=”203735″]link of Tamira Paszek’s truly amazing outfit engineering[/quote]

    And a nice shot link of her forehand

    [quote comment=”203937″]Re: Adam Graves #11

    Apparently the 1992 NHL pro set has a card with him in a #11 jersey.[/quote]

    Quoting myself but according to the link, they list Graves as first wearing #11 and then #9. It’s halfway down under “MISCELLANEOUS”.

    [quote comment=”203921″]Paul – What makes you sure the person with the striped shirt in that old Pistons photo is a ref?[/quote]

    link

    [quote comment=”203804″]Louisiana Tech will eventually release a new Athletic wordmark and Bulldog logo (“New Logos Soon!” on right side of the link). Tech has used the link design for decades, and will continue to use it, but the link has been link throughout the school’s link. Tech has already sent a survey to fans/alumni asking their opinions on current logos and using the term “LaTech” in an official way (this has many fans split, currently the school discourages the use of anything but “Tech” or “Louisiana Tech”).[/quote]

    You posted this before I could. I am not one for LaTech/LATech but it looks like I will have to learn to like it.

    On the topic of goalies wearing different colored socks…

    Going by foggy memory here, but I vaguely recall one or more netminders in the 60’s or 70’s wearing different socks. I think there may have been a Bruins goalie who wore the road yellow socks while the rest of the team had the home white jerseys and white socks on (or vice versa if it was before 1970, meaning the dark colors were the home colors). This will be tough to find pictures of though…

    -Jet

    [quote comment=”203934″][quote comment=”203735″]link of Tamira Paszek’s truly amazing outfit engineering[/quote]

    And a nice shot link of her forehand[/quote]

    She does tend to cover up as well….

    link

    [quote comment=”203946″][quote comment=”203921″]Paul – What makes you sure the person with the striped shirt in that old Pistons photo is a ref?[/quote]

    link[/quote]
    What is going on in that pic? Is a player-coach turning in and signing a lineup card? Is it an autograph for the scorers table? Why is the foreground guy wearing lighter colored shorts?

    As another Washington area resident, I’ve had plenty of thoughts on the Nationals’ uniform. I’ve never cared for the team nickname, mostly because I feel like “Nationals” and “Nats” lacks any character. Uniform-wise, I didn’t like the curly “W” at first, but it’s grown on me. The only reason I like the “DC” logo is it matches the jersey lettering better than the curly “W, but I really don’t like the clunky block lettering they picked for the jerseys. I’d rather they came up with a new jersey design.

    But I do have to say that the red alternate uniforms can look pretty sharp, especially when the players wear the pants right.

    As far as uni by referendum goes didn’t Charles Comiskey pull something like that back in the 70’s? He actually let fans submit unis for consideration. I remember them being pretty freaking hideous.

    I was rethinking the Seahawks third color “snot” accessories, gloves, cleats, infamous hand warmers. Have any other teams, besides the Bengals with the orange, and Giants with the red, so prominently featured their accent color?

    For example, imagine the Packers players wearing yellow gloves and cleats!

    link

    [quote comment=”203973″]link is doing a pole on the Team name and colors[/quote]

    WNBA and pole do not exactly go together…..for a couple of reasons….

    [quote comment=”203869″][quote comment=”203847″][quote comment=”203757″]I remember watching the Vet demolition on link (ABC) here in Philly. The link came out to do a speech (got booed, of course) and botched the countdown.
    They had a plunger that Greg Luczynski and the link pushed down on that had already fallen down during the course of the proceedings.
    To top it all off, somebody in the crowd yelled link at the top of their lungs as the Vet was link live over the air.
    A perfect ending, I’d say.[/quote]

    Veterans Stadium link complete with ex-Mayor (about time) Street’s infamous countdown.[/quote]

    Here’s the link with the F-U at about 1:22.[/quote]

    YouTube is the greatest.

    As far as uni by referendum goes didn’t Charles Comiskey pull something like that back in the 70’s? He actually let fans submit unis for consideration. I remember them being pretty freaking hideous.

    No, the Comiskey family had sold their interest in the White Sox by the mid-60s. It was Jerry Reinsdorf and Eddie Einhorn who staged the design-the-uniform contest.

    [quote comment=”203836″]I saw the new Gatorade “League of Clutch” magazine ad yesterday. Does anyone know why Derek Jeter isn’t wearing a real Yankees Uniform even though Manning and D-Wade are wearing their team unis? Is there some type of copyright issue between the Yanks and Gatorade?

    Not between the Yankees and Gatorade, but MLB and Gatorade, I think.[/quote]

    Actually since MLB has had a sponsorship deal with Pepsi since 1999, this would include all Pepsi drinks such as Gatorade(Pepsi owns Gatorade). Jeter is most likely not wearing a Yankees Jersey because of the Coca-Cola’s sponsorship of the Yankees (Coke makes rival Powerade). To my knowledge Coke has sponsored the Yankees since the mid 1990’s.

    This reminds of the time they had the 2000 MLB All Star Game in Atlanta. The All Star Gala and festivities were sponsored by Pepsi and sold Pepsi at the gala and out side the stadium. However, Coca Cola having very stong ties to the Atlanta(where Coke originated) area is the ONLY Cola served at Braves games.
    Only at Turner Field was Coca-Cola served since the Braves had an exsisting contract, while all other MLB sanctioned events sold Pepsi.

    But, what do I know? I’m die hard New York Mets and Dr. Pepper fan.

    IIRC, I think it was in the 1970-71 season that the NBA reds switched from the zebra stripes to the gray shirts to commemorate the NBA’s silver anniversary season.

    [quote comment=”203973″]link is doing a poll on the Team name and colors.”[/quote]

    Fixed on the fly to correct misspellings and misconceptions.

    [quote comment=”203991″]IIRC, I think it was in the 1970-71 season that the NBA reds switched from the zebra stripes to the gray shirts to commemorate the NBA’s silver anniversary season.[/quote]

    fckn commies

    I’ve been a part of Fans at Bat and never got this Nationals survey. I wonder if they rotate who they send it to? I like the curly W and the logos/fonts, but I wish they kept blue as the primary color because there are way too many red baseball teams now.

    I attended the implosion of Atlanta Fulton County Stadium and quite enjoyed it.

    Also enjoyed the Clone Trooper helmets and partial coverage of tennis.

    I have to do it, I’m sorry to all:

    It was Jerry Reinsdorf and Eddie Einhorn who staged the design-the-uniform contest.

    Einhorn/Finkel, Finkel/Einhorn. Finkel is Einhorn!

    [quote comment=”203991″]IIRC, I think it was in the 1970-71 season that the NBA reds switched from the zebra stripes to the gray shirts to commemorate the NBA’s silver anniversary season.[/quote]

    When I was a high school hoops ref, we had the stripes, of course, but there was this one facility where I’d do youth games that wanted you to wear link, which was more comfortable and less geeky looking.

    I haven’t done basketball in a couple of years, but I keep it just in case.

    [quote comment=”203895″][quote comment=”203852″]long time reader, first time commenter (commentator?) here…

    just thought you’d all like to know that the University of Dayton men’s hoops team will be wearing some bad-ass powder blue alternates tonight when they take on UMass.

    The Flyers will also wear some 1970s-era(?) throwbacks next Wednesday when they host St. Louis.

    link[/quote]

    An interesting side note on these uniforms. When they were announced about two months ago it was also mentioned that a limited number of replicas if each were going to be on sale at Korporate Kasuals, who do all of the merchandising for UD. When I went home to visit my family for Christmas, I stopped in because I wanted a pair of the throwback shorts. I was disappointed to see no shorts and only 4 of the baby blue alts on the rack. I spoke with one of the owners to find out about the shorts and he told me that he hadn’t brought any in as the $150 price tag would have made them tough to sell. He went on to say that they were not replicas, but they were in fact authentic jerseys direct from Nike. When the school placed their order they added 6 extra jerseys to each order to be sold at Korporate Kasuals and at the spirit shop during the games. The cost of the jersey was $200, so alas I left empty handed.[/quote]

    there’s always chance they could have some replica throwbacks/alternates (at least the shorts) at the UD Bookstore.

    [quote comment=”203967″]As far as uni by referendum goes didn’t Charles Comiskey pull something like that back in the 70’s? He actually let fans submit unis for consideration. I remember them being pretty freaking hideous.[/quote]

    The old Roman died in 1931.

    His grandson, Charles, sold out (bitterly) in 1961.

    [quote comment=”203951″][quote comment=”203934″][quote comment=”203735″]link of Tamira Paszek’s truly amazing outfit engineering[/quote]

    And a nice shot link of her forehand[/quote]

    She does tend to cover up as well….

    link

    Here’s link of her before…ahem…a growth spurt, shall we say?

    [quote comment=”204013″][quote comment=”203967″]As far as uni by referendum goes didn’t Charles Comiskey pull something like that back in the 70’s? He actually let fans submit unis for consideration. I remember them being pretty freaking hideous.[/quote]

    The old Roman died in 1931.

    His grandson, Charles, sold out (bitterly) in 1961.[/quote]

    fckn commie

    [quote comment=”203735″]link of Tamira Paszek’s truly amazing outfit engineering.”[/quote]

    Ah, a wardrobe malfunction just waiting to happen.

    Regarding the Nationals uniforms, I do not think I have ever heard a decent explanation from Todd Radom as to why, knowing that the curly W cap was a must, he chose to design a uniform that does not go with the cap logo at all? Does he have an explanation? Nothing against him, but the unis are ugly and that is why the sales stink. The remind me of the mid 90’s Brewers unis, which I also hated and I am pretty sure he designed.

    [quote comment=”204021″][quote comment=”203735″]link of Tamira Paszek’s truly amazing outfit engineering.”[/quote]

    Ah, a wardrobe malfunction just waiting to happen.[/quote]
    Why would she wear that? I’m just thinking from a comfort standpoint. In the page 2 article about Kerri Walsh she talksa bout fearing a wardrobe malfunction constantly but that’s the uniform. Tennis players get to pick their outfits so why pick one that might “malfunction”?

    [quote comment=”204024″]Regarding the Nationals uniforms, I do not think I have ever heard a decent explanation from Todd Radom as to why, knowing that the curly W cap was a must, he chose to design a uniform that does not go with the cap logo at all? Does he have an explanation? Nothing against him, but the unis are ugly and that is why the sales stink. The remind me of the mid 90’s Brewers unis, which I also hated and I am pretty sure he designed.[/quote]

    Radom said his “first big break” was when Occi hired him to weave his ideas into the fabric of the Milwaukee Brewers, who finished the 1993 season 24 games below .500.

    Built around an interlocking “M” and “B” diamond design, the Brewers wore Todd’s logo and uniform combination from 1994 to 1999.

    from link

    [quote comment=”204028″][quote comment=”204021″][quote comment=”203735″]link of Tamira Paszek’s truly amazing outfit engineering.”[/quote]

    Ah, a wardrobe malfunction just waiting to happen.[/quote]
    Why would she wear that? I’m just thinking from a comfort standpoint. In the page 2 article about Kerri Walsh she talksa bout fearing a wardrobe malfunction constantly but that’s the uniform. Tennis players get to pick their outfits so why pick one that might “malfunction”?[/quote]

    Who knows? But now that she’s been link of the Open…….

    [quote comment=”204016″]Of course there is always link hockey intermission entertainment.[/quote]

    Ummm, good grief… she looks to be about 15. I hope I’m not in trouble for watching that

    [quote comment=”204001″]14:57, 14:59, 14:59….

    link

    I think she looks like Carrie Underwood more than Jessica Simpson anyway…..[/quote]
    I think she looks more like Homer Simpson…

    [quote comment=”204028″] In the page 2 article about Kerri Walsh she talksa bout fearing a wardrobe malfunction constantly [/quote]

    Don’t know why. She’s built like a 15-year-old boy. Nothing to see there. Move along.

    [quote comment=”204044″][quote comment=”204001″]14:57, 14:59, 14:59….

    link

    I think she looks like Carrie Underwood more than Jessica Simpson anyway…..[/quote]
    I think she looks more like Homer Simpson…[/quote]
    or, as mentioned before regarding her chin – Jay Leno in drag

    [quote comment=”204050″][quote comment=”204028″] In the page 2 article about Kerri Walsh she talksa bout fearing a wardrobe malfunction constantly [/quote]

    Don’t know why. She’s built like a 15-year-old boy. Nothing to see there. Move along.[/quote]
    Agreed….now if Misty May had a wardrobe malfunction…..va-va-va-voom!

    [quote comment=”203854″]damn, thought i could get the link to work…

    whatever, there’s pictures at link
    The center picture uni was worn in the late 70s/early 80s. It included a shooter shirt that looked like the Houston Astros ‘Tequila Sunrise’ unis in shades of blue. I used to have one, and in one of the great tragedies of my life saw it go by the wayside.
    Anyone know if they’ll be wearing the shooter shirts too, or their usual warmups?

    those ski jumping pictures rock!

    Understandably, I’m wondering: “How is Soldier Field wide enough to provide a safe landing area for the skiers?”

    I can understand Wrigley. They’re starting from home plate/pitcher’s mound and they have the enire outfield, but a football field including sidelines isn’t an enormous space!

    [quote comment=”204033″][quote comment=”204016″]Of course there is always link hockey intermission entertainment.[/quote]

    Ummm, good grief… she looks to be about 15. I hope I’m not in trouble for watching that[/quote]
    [quote comment=”204050″][quote comment=”204028″] In the page 2 article about Kerri Walsh she talksa bout fearing a wardrobe malfunction constantly [/quote]

    Don’t know why. She’s built like a 15-year-old boy. Nothing to see there. Move along.[/quote]

    PEDOWATCH & NAMBLA members viewing this thread increased 100 fold today

    After perusing Todd Radom’s site, he needs to find a way to work his art deco designs into a uniform, patch or something. It’d be a love it or hate it thing, but i’m betting most owuld love it.

    [quote]How is Soldier Field wide enough to provide a safe landing area for the skiers?[/quote]

    you don’t ski, do you matt?

    Of course there is always this hockey intermission entertainment.

    Ummm, good grief… she looks to be about 15. I hope I’m not in trouble for watching that

    In the page 2 article about Kerri Walsh she talksa bout fearing a wardrobe malfunction constantly

    Don’t know why. She’s built like a 15-year-old boy. Nothing to see there. Move along.

    PEDOWATCH & NAMBLA members viewing this thread increased 100 fold today

    This site might become Eunuch-watch soon!

    How is Soldier Field wide enough to provide a safe landing area for the skiers?

    you don’t ski, do you matt?

    And no, I don’t Phil. I would probably resemble this person if I did:

    link

    Adam Graves card from link. (From an ad, so no guarantee it lasts.) Apparently taken 10/3/91, opening night at Boston — note the 75th anniversary throwbacks. The Messier trade was the next day, making this the only time Graves wore 11 in the regular season. I think he had it in the preseason, but not sure about that.

    The picture of Soldier Field and the scaffold built to support the jump seemed to be at the 50 yard line. I would understand if it were one of the end zones!

    [quote comment=”204079″]Adam Graves card from link. (From an ad, so no guarantee it lasts.) Apparently taken 10/3/91, opening night at Boston — note the 75th anniversary throwbacks. The Messier trade was the next day, making this the only time Graves wore 11 in the regular season. I think he had it in the preseason, but not sure about that.[/quote]

    I took link and put it on Flickr so we don’t have to worry about it coming down. Nice work Mike.

    [quote comment=”204080″]The picture of Soldier Field and the scaffold built to support the jump seemed to be at the 50 yard line. I would understand if it were one of the end zones![/quote]

    I think the idea is that the skies will stop link after they jump.

    Adam Graves card from 1991-92 Pro Set. (From an ad, so no guarantee it lasts.) Apparently taken 10/3/91, opening night at Boston – note the 75th anniversary throwbacks. The Messier trade was the next day, making this the only time Graves wore 11 in the regular season. I think he had it in the preseason, but not sure about that.

    I took the photo and put it on Flickr so we don’t have to worry about it coming down. Nice work Mike

    Seriously, Uni-Watch, or Eunuch-Watch, whatever is like the Elias Sports Bureau of Obscure sports tidbits! Awesome find Mike and Shaftman!

    [quote comment=”204085″]http://www.gilcoscaffolding.com/images/SOLDIERS_FIELD_SKIJUMP_lrg.jpg

    The arc of the “warning track” indicates to me that it could be one of the endzones.[/quote]

    But from this link, the pillars that the link is constructed over are at the midfield point.

    Colorado broke out pale gold unis vs. Nebraska last night, for the first time since the Chauncey Billups era.

    link

    Buffs gold uni’s: Awesome
    Dude on his arse with Gold and Black Retro 15’s to match those unis: Awesome
    Ski jumping into the parking lot or the bleachers of Soldier Field: Defintely Not Awesome

    Forgive me, I’m just not getting the set-up!

    [quote comment=”204087″][quote comment=”204080″]The picture of Soldier Field and the scaffold built to support the jump seemed to be at the 50 yard line. I would understand if it were one of the end zones![/quote]

    I think the idea is that the skies will stop link after they jump.[/quote]

    thank you…judging from the height of the jump (it doesn’t appear to be quite as high as modern olympic ski jumps, i.e. link), the skiier in the photo is going to land roughly 1/2 to 2/3rds of the way down, giving the jumper more than enough room to come to a complete stop…even if the infield of soldier field is not graded on an upward incline at the end of the run

    link you can see the jumpers are basically stopping as soon as they hit flat ground…soldier field’s width (40-50 yards at that point???) would be more than ample

    [quote comment=”204089″][quote comment=”204085″]http://www.gilcoscaffolding.com/images/SOLDIERS_FIELD_SKIJUMP_lrg.jpg

    The arc of the “warning track” indicates to me that it could be one of the endzones.[/quote]

    But from this link, the pillars that the link is constructed over are at the midfield point.[/quote]
    well i’m guessing that they were supposed to land on the ramp, not on the field meaning there was plenty of space for them to stop after they landed even if it was at midfield.

    [quote comment=”204088″]Adam Graves card from 1991-92 Pro Set. (From an ad, so no guarantee it lasts.) Apparently taken 10/3/91, opening night at Boston – note the 75th anniversary throwbacks. The Messier trade was the next day, making this the only time Graves wore 11 in the regular season. I think he had it in the preseason, but not sure about that.

    I took the photo and put it on Flickr so we don’t have to worry about it coming down. Nice work Mike

    Seriously, Uni-Watch, or Eunuch-Watch, whatever is like the Elias Sports Bureau of Obscure sports tidbits! Awesome find Mike and Shaftman![/quote]

    Amazing

    I think Uni Watch is better than Google sometimes!

    Paul, you should take Uni Watch public! haha

    [quote comment=”204110″]I think Uni Watch is better than Google sometimes!

    Paul, you should take Uni Watch public![/quote]

    Well, that’s kinda/sorta what the membership program is supposed to be….

    Seriously: The resourcefulness and generosity of Uni Watch readers never cease to amaze me. I know many of you learn plenty from me, but I learn SO much from all of you! Very special thing we’ve got going here.

    Okay, end of mushy sentiments. Just have to express that every so often….

    I remember a couple weeks ago someone posted about G-Town’s mid 90s uni’s that had that intense side paneling (Iverson era). Well, maybe it has been talked about but i was at the pitt G-town game on monday night and they still have that pattern, just a little more subtle, it is just a darker blue. you can barely see it here:

    link

    anyone have a better picture?

    Responding to a comment from yesterday…

    My beloved St. Louis Blues have (until recently) 3 guys named Johnson on their team. Mike Johnson (now injured for the season), Erik Johnson and Ryan Johnson. All 3 wear just plain Johnson on their backs, no first initials.

    I remember in the 80’s and 90’s the Cardinals had their share of Smiths (Ozzie, Lonnie, Bryn and Lee) but they always wore an initial before “Smith”.

    My question is, has any other team with 3 players with the same surname left off the initial for the first name?

    While I don’t have specific photographic evidence, and IIRC, the Steelers have never put first initials for same-surnamed individuals (as with this year’s link and link (sorry, best I could find) Harrison). In 1989-92, there were 3 Williamses on the team: DT Gerald, LB Jerrol, and RB Warren. I remember noticing this when I was a youngster and wondering why they kept the letter off while most teams used the first initial. In checking the years they played together, I noticed that in 1989 they had another threesome in the Johnsons (CB DJ, WR Jason, and DT Tim). Here’s the link showing this.

    [quote comment=”204110″][quote comment=”204088″]Adam Graves card from 1991-92 Pro Set. (From an ad, so no guarantee it lasts.) Apparently taken 10/3/91, opening night at Boston – note the 75th anniversary throwbacks. The Messier trade was the next day, making this the only time Graves wore 11 in the regular season. I think he had it in the preseason, but not sure about that.

    I took the photo and put it on Flickr so we don’t have to worry about it coming down. Nice work Mike

    Seriously, Uni-Watch, or Eunuch-Watch, whatever is like the Elias Sports Bureau of Obscure sports tidbits! Awesome find Mike and Shaftman![/quote]

    Amazing

    I think Uni Watch is better than Google sometimes!

    Paul, you should take Uni Watch public!

    haha[/quote]

    In the spirit of the “public” comment. I noticed that their is a link for UniWatch (with link and link as the administrators).

    Article in today’s Washington Post about a local prep athlete disqualified for Muslim clothing… also check accompanying photo gallery.

    [quote comment=”204115″]I remember a couple weeks ago someone posted about G-Town’s mid 90s uni’s that had that intense side paneling (Iverson era). Well, maybe it has been talked about but i was at the pitt G-town game on monday night and they still have that pattern, just a little more subtle, it is just a darker blue. you can barely see it here:

    link

    anyone have a better picture?[/quote]

    Is link the uni you’re speaking of?

    [quote comment=”204085″]http://www.gilcoscaffolding.com/images/SOLDIERS_FIELD_SKIJUMP_lrg.jpg

    The arc of the “warning track” indicates to me that it could be one of the endzones.[/quote]

    The fact that the collonades were/ and still are only on the sides of the stadium, guarantees that the jump was placed across the field, not down the length of the field.

    [quote comment=”204128″][quote comment=”204085″]http://www.gilcoscaffolding.com/images/SOLDIERS_FIELD_SKIJUMP_lrg.jpg

    The arc of the “warning track” indicates to me that it could be one of the endzones.[/quote]

    The fact that the collonades were/ and still are only on the sides of the stadium, guarantees that the jump was placed across the field, not down the length of the field.[/quote]

    thanks, joe…but that fact has already been established

    [quote comment=”204098″][quote comment=”204087″][quote comment=”204080″]The picture of Soldier Field and the scaffold built to support the jump seemed to be at the 50 yard line. I would understand if it were one of the end zones![/quote]

    I think the idea is that the skies will stop link after they jump.[/quote]

    thank you…judging from the height of the jump (it doesn’t appear to be quite as high as modern olympic ski jumps, i.e. link), the skiier in the photo is going to land roughly 1/2 to 2/3rds of the way down, giving the jumper more than enough room to come to a complete stop…even if the infield of soldier field is not graded on an upward incline at the end of the run

    link you can see the jumpers are basically stopping as soon as they hit flat ground…soldier field’s width (40-50 yards at that point???) would be more than ample[/quote]

    A football field is 53 yards wide, plus you have the extra space around the field for the players. The pic is clearly of the east (lake) side of the stadium looking NNE. The “building” in the background is actually the north end of soldier field. By the time the Bears started playing there, there were seats that cut that area off from view. The original configuation of SF could hold close to 100,000 people. If you look at the areal shot the south and is the round end. The walls on the north end extend past the seats. If you ever sat in the north end of SF, you walked a concourse under the stands that was open to the cut off end of the field. The old wooden bleacher seats were still in place.

    [quote comment=”204135″][quote comment=”204098″][quote comment=”204087″][quote comment=”204080″]The picture of Soldier Field and the scaffold built to support the jump seemed to be at the 50 yard line. I would understand if it were one of the end zones![/quote]

    I think the idea is that the skies will stop link after they jump.[/quote]

    thank you…judging from the height of the jump (it doesn’t appear to be quite as high as modern olympic ski jumps, i.e. link), the skiier in the photo is going to land roughly 1/2 to 2/3rds of the way down, giving the jumper more than enough room to come to a complete stop…even if the infield of soldier field is not graded on an upward incline at the end of the run

    link you can see the jumpers are basically stopping as soon as they hit flat ground…soldier field’s width (40-50 yards at that point???) would be more than ample[/quote]

    A football field is 53 yards wide, plus you have the extra space around the field for the players. The pic is clearly of the east (lake) side of the stadium looking NNE. The “building” in the background is actually the Field Musuem behind the north end of soldier field. By the time the Bears started playing there, there were seats that cut that area off from view. The original configuation of SF could hold close to 100,000 people. If you look at the areal shot the south and is the round end. The walls on the north end extend past the seats. If you ever sat in the north end of SF, you walked a concourse under the stands that was open to the cut off end of the field. The old wooden bleacher seats were still in place.[/quote]
    corrected

    RE: University of North Dakota Style Guide. I have no idea what ‘Sioux Red’ is suposed to mean but it’s not an official school color. Prairie Rose Pink on the other hand is.

    link

    [quote comment=”204138″][quote comment=”204135″][quote comment=”204098″][quote comment=”204087″][quote comment=”204080″]The picture of Soldier Field and the scaffold built to support the jump seemed to be at the 50 yard line. I would understand if it were one of the end zones![/quote]

    I think the idea is that the skies will stop link after they jump.[/quote]

    thank you…judging from the height of the jump (it doesn’t appear to be quite as high as modern olympic ski jumps, i.e. link), the skiier in the photo is going to land roughly 1/2 to 2/3rds of the way down, giving the jumper more than enough room to come to a complete stop…even if the infield of soldier field is not graded on an upward incline at the end of the run

    link you can see the jumpers are basically stopping as soon as they hit flat ground…soldier field’s width (40-50 yards at that point???) would be more than ample[/quote]

    A football field is 53 yards wide, plus you have the extra space around the field for the players. The pic is clearly of the east (lake) side of the stadium looking NNE. The “building” in the background is actually the Field Musuem behind the north end of soldier field. By the time the Bears started playing there, there were seats that cut that area off from view. The original configuation of SF could hold close to 100,000 people. If you look at the areal shot the south and is the round end. The walls on the north end extend past the seats. If you ever sat in the north end of SF, you walked a concourse under the stands that was open to the cut off end of the field. The old wooden bleacher seats were still in place.[/quote]
    corrected[/quote]

    You can see SF in this link with the big building, The Field Museum to the North. The lake is to the east for anyone not familiar with Midwest geography.

    After perusing through the surprise playoff QB photo gallery at si.com, I noticed that the player on the far left of link picture is wearing different pants then Frank Riech or Steve Christie. His pants stripes go from blue-red-blue, and everyone elses are red-blue-red. It looks as if it is #69 Will Wolford who was an offensive lineman during the Super Bowl years.

    Also loved that piece on The Aud.

    I didn’t see this mentioned on here (at least in today’s comments), but with the annual college senior games like the Senior Bowl & East-West Shrine Game, we are once again blessed with images like link of Allen Patrick of Oklahoma practicing for the East-West Shrine Game.

    [quote comment=”204159″]I didn’t see this mentioned on here (at least in today’s comments), but with the annual college senior games like the Senior Bowl & East-West Shrine Game, we are once again blessed with images like link of Allen Patrick of Oklahoma practicing for the East-West Shrine Game.[/quote]

    I link so!

    [quote comment=”204157″]After perusing through the surprise playoff QB photo gallery at si.com, I noticed that the player on the far left of link picture is wearing different pants then Frank Riech or Steve Christie. His pants stripes go from blue-red-blue, and everyone elses are red-blue-red. It looks as if it is #69 Will Wolford who was an offensive lineman during the Super Bowl years.

    Also loved that piece on The Aud.[/quote]

    Sorry the player I’m reffering to is on the far right behind Steve Christie

    The ticker item about Harry Caray today reminded me of a Cubs telecast in probably the early to mid-90s in which Harry was ranting about how the then-new Cub jerseys appeared “to say Cuba instead of Cubs” Looked for a clip on the internet but didn’t find anything.

    And going back to something mentioned in yesterday’s UniWatch about the Walkalloveryou Spectrum, as part of any redevelopment, a new arena (about 12,500 seats total including skyboxes) should be built where The Vet once stood. Thatw ay, the Phantoms and Kixx (as well as the kids shows and circus) would have a new favility to replace the Spectrum with mixed developments (Philly Hall of Fame instead of a hotel IMHO; if they place a hotel there, the Holiday Inn near The Vault closes down.)

    [quote comment=”204170″]Armor of God pajamas.

    link

    Hmm.[/quote]
    I’d be very interested (not really) to see the series of links/searches that were the research for that post. And props to LI phil for a “quick like that” response.

    I hope these uniform drawing are not drawn to scale. I know basket ball players are tall but these pants look like full length dresses.
    link

    Has there ever been a Uni Watch segment on the various uniform designs used in the movies?
    I always found it interesting that the so many helmets in Any Given Sunday (?) and The Last Boy Scout (?) had stripes that were really narrow. And I’m not talking single stripe ala Steelers.
    I put these (?) because I’m not sure if those are the correct movies. They’re not exactly my kind of movies.
    P.S. My new best friends are named Brett and Jemaine. They are from New Zealand.

    [quote comment=”204116″]Responding to a comment from yesterday…

    My beloved St. Louis Blues have (until recently) 3 guys named Johnson on their team. Mike Johnson (now injured for the season), Erik Johnson and Ryan Johnson. All 3 wear just plain Johnson on their backs, no first initials.

    I remember in the 80’s and 90’s the Cardinals had their share of Smiths (Ozzie, Lonnie, Bryn and Lee) but they always wore an initial before “Smith”.

    My question is, has any other team with 3 players with the same surname left off the initial for the first name?

    While I don’t have specific photographic evidence, and IIRC, the Steelers have never put first initials for same-surnamed individuals (as with this year’s link and link (sorry, best I could find) Harrison). In 1989-92, there were 3 Williamses on the team: DT Gerald, LB Jerrol, and RB Warren. I remember noticing this when I was a youngster and wondering why they kept the letter off while most teams used the first initial. In checking the years they played together, I noticed that in 1989 they had another threesome in the Johnsons (CB DJ, WR Jason, and DT Tim). Here’s the link showing this.[/quote]

    Awesome, thank you.

    [quote comment=”204182″]I hope these uniform drawing are not drawn to scale. I know basket ball players are tall but these pants look like full length dresses.
    link[/quote]
    Unfortunately those aren’t off by much scale-wise. I think that seals the deal on the “frocks for jocks” moniker. Would you wear a flat or a heel with those? Stilletto seems a bit much.

    Lebron James’ new “Yankees” inspired link
    Im sure all those Indian fans love him even more after this. I think his little “clap clap clap clap” thing is retarded and the 23 looks like a tribute to Donnie Baseball but overall as a Yankees fan/collector of tons of Yankees stuff theyd fit in with me and I like them

    [quote comment=”203756″]its surprising that they focus on just the nationals…
    2 years ago, i would have thought it to be appropriate as MLB owned the nationals then.
    but now, arent they overstepping their bounds?
    can they really go to a team with a recommendation to change their branding?[/quote]

    Todd,
    Im no sure if this was in baseball or another sport but I recall teams having to submit their design for approval to the league. Since the league is involved in that aspect, as well as merchandise sales, I can understand them doing some sort of deal. Paul didn’t mention where these two uniwatchers were from. I understand they weren’t fans of the nationals, but isn’t it possible that, based on IP address, or server address or something, they were in a designated region that was assigned? Maybe theyre in northeast, or DC metro area. One said Phillies, conceivably could be within their parameters. There’s a lot of tricky things you can do w/an online survey. I work for the online division of a publishing company in the marketing/sales department and its amazing the things they can do.

    [quote comment=”204028″][quote comment=”204021″][quote comment=”203735″]link of Tamira Paszek’s truly amazing outfit engineering.”[/quote]

    Ah, a wardrobe malfunction just waiting to happen.[/quote]
    Why would she wear that? I’m just thinking from a comfort standpoint. In the page 2 article about Kerri Walsh she talksa bout fearing a wardrobe malfunction constantly but that’s the uniform. Tennis players get to pick their outfits so why pick one that might “malfunction”?[/quote]

    Becasue shes not that good and she gets massive coverage on tv/internet because of it.

    OK…You had a break from me for about 4 hours! I still don’t see the feasibility of a ski jump at Soldier Field. I would love to discuss the possibilities this Tuesday night at Adult Education!

    Rebuttal #1. I am as big of a Nike disciple as anyone, but these are assinine:
    link

    Rebuttal #2. Just because it hasn’t been mentioned in a while. I was thinking the same thing on the way home from work today. It was also yellow day at my wife’s school so she asked to wear one of my Oregon tees

    Rebuttal #3: The Will Ferrell Haray Caray skit ranks up there with “Cowbell for Me”:

    link

    Rebuttal #4. Armor of God pajamas.

    Inter Milan unis.

    Hmm.

    rooney These are issued to all incoming Holy Cross freshman.

    I just listened to the Cracker Jack rant and was he ever priceless.

    To those of you living in the New York Tri-State area you can probably recall Phil “Scooter” Rizzuto doing the Yankee games after a few “bucas” going on these incredible diatribes.

    Absolutely Priceless!

    Current weather forecast for the link on Sunday…. Maybe not as cold as the “Ice Bowl” but with the wind chill it will defiantly be below zero.

    I can not wait for this game!

    GO PACK GO!

    [quote]It was also yellow day at my wife’s school so she asked to wear one of my Oregon tees[/quote]

    not your ‘dicks’ shorts?

    [quote comment=”204211″]Current weather forecast for the link on Sunday…. Maybe not as cold as the “Ice Bowl” but with the wind chill it will defiantly be below zero.

    I can not wait for this game!

    GO PACK GO![/quote]

    love it…projected temps keep on fallin…we’ll see how two southern slingers…one from gulfport mississip…and the other from n’awlins…enjoy REAL cold

    while i’ll give more than just an edge to mr. favre…it’ll be fun to watch anyhoo

    ‘defiant’ weather…i never heard that before, but it seems so apropos ;)

    The North Dakota pdf got me wondering about my link. It was pretty unremarkable, but I got a kick out of the small print that allows the use of “fashion” colors – except red and blue, those of the school down the river.

    It was also yellow day at my wife’s school so she asked to wear one of my Oregon tees

    not your ‘dicks’ shorts?

    Good memory, but no,those are for extra-curricular activities!!!

    And they would look like those ridiculous Mountaineer shorts of Mr. Huggins!

    It was also yellow day at my wife’s school so she asked to wear one of my Oregon tees

    not your ‘dicks’ shorts?

    Good memory, but no,those are for extra-curricular activities!!!

    Pun Intended

    Kevin Hamlin, a NASCAR Nationwide Series driver, has one of the coolest racing helmets.

    Hamlin’s ‘Hawks Helmet

    That is cool. Is he related to this former Seahawk:

    link

    And let’s hope Kevin doesn’t use any of these accessories:

    link

    [quote comment=”204242″]Kevin Hamlin, a NASCAR Nationwide Series driver, has one of the coolest racing helmets.

    Hamlin’s ‘Hawks Helmet

    That is cool. Is he related to this former Seahawk:

    link

    And let’s hope Kevin doesn’t use any of these accessories:

    link
    And thanks to the flame-retardant bodysuit, I doubt he needs Josh Brown’s hot pants.

    Kevin Hamlin, a NASCAR Nationwide Series driver, has one of the coolest racing helmets.

    Hamlin’s ‘Hawks Helmet

    That is cool. Is he related to this former Seahawk:

    link….

    And let’s hope Kevin doesn’t use any of these accessories:

    link

    And thanks to the flame-retardant bodysuit, I doubt he needs Josh Brown’s hot pants.

    Very clever, but wouldn’t it work in the opposite way? The suit impedes flames, therefore heat. In essence, if he were kicking at Lambeau, he would look like a jackass but he would still be cold!

    Now I’m all confused! Next you’re all gonna tell me he’s ski jumping in Ken Hamlin’s hot pants at Soldier Field!

    [quote comment=”204206″][quote comment=”204184″]Has there ever been a Uni Watch segment on the various uniform designs used in the movies?[/quote]

    Look link.[/quote]

    Paul, have you had a chance to watch the movie “Major League” yet?

    Tulsa’s men’s basketball team is wearing the worst uniforms of the season by far.

    Marquette’s are ugly because they are yellow and have horrendous piping. Well, Tulsa’s also meet those two criteria.

    Also add…
    Tulsa’s colors are Blue and Gold (with Red). Not yellow, but their logo has actual gold. And they are wearing all yellow, with blue lettering.

    The “Golden Hurricane” is also the worst nickname in sports since there’s no Hurricanes in Tulsa. To add insult to injury, they are playing Tulane; from New Orleans tonight.

    The jersey features “Hurricane” across the front in blue, with a red inlay. It’s also in Kansas’ old fot (I was wondering where that went!)

    Under their arms and down their pant legs, they have a pattern, which if it’s trying to look like a cyclone, has failed.

    This pattern is in white and blue (on yellow), so it looks like the tiger-striping from LSU’s eye logo.

    Actually, it looks like they sewed on remnants from old LSU Zubaz pants. And the stripes get wider at the bottom.

    Top top the look, they’re wearing shoes that are half Royal Blue, even though the blue in their logo and jerseys are navy blue.

    Last week, their head coach went on a profanity laced tired post-game, in which he ‘motherfuck’ed the administration, the fan support and others.

    He should have motherfucked the designer of these monstrosities.

    I will try to grab a pic

    Paul, have you had a chance to watch the movie “Major League” yet?

    “It’s still shitty!”

    Actually, it looks like they sewed on remnants from old LSU Zubaz pants. And the stripes get wider at the bottom.

    “They’re still shitty!”

    Last week, their head coach went on a profanity laced tired post-game, in which he ‘motherfuck’ed the administration, the fan support and others.

    He should have motherfucked the designer of these monstrosities.

    Is their head coach still Buzz Peterson? I believe he was Jordan’s roommate at UNC!

    [quote comment=”204263″]aint link their head coach?[/quote]

    doug wojcik is his name. he is one of matt doherty’s boys, and was part of his staff at carolina. or what i call the lowest point in carolina basketball history. although his players eventually were the structure for the 05 national title under roy williams, they all were ready to transfer had the doherty debacle not been canned.

    [quote comment=”204176″]And going back to something mentioned in yesterday’s UniWatch about the Walkalloveryou Spectrum, as part of any redevelopment, a new arena (about 12,500 seats total including skyboxes) should be built where The Vet once stood. Thatw ay, the Phantoms and Kixx (as well as the kids shows and circus) would have a new favility to replace the Spectrum with mixed developments (Philly Hall of Fame instead of a hotel IMHO; if they place a hotel there, the Holiday Inn near The Vault closes down.)[/quote]

    Great sentiment and the Spectrum is pretty much a pit now, but nobody’s going to build another new arena across the parking lot from where an 11-year old arena stands, even if it’s smaller. First off, it isn’t real cost-effective to build a 12,500-seat arena. Secondly, Philadelphia (and the state) have sunk many millions into facilities right there in the last decade (Wachovia center was largely privately-financed, I know, but still….).

    I reckon the only reason the Spectrum is still standing is because they wanted to have a place for the Phantoms and the KiXX and spillover from other events. They’re lucky they did that (as they did in Dallas with Reunion Arena after American Airlines Center opened) instead of just saying “to hell with it” and razing the place and making the Phantoms and KiXX play on Thursday nights.

    In short, it ain’t gonna happen.

    Noooooo……

    I finally read about a UniWatch party in my area before it actually happens and it’s the one weekend I actually have plans and will be out of the area. I’ve been waiting for this party all year. I already had my burgandy Redskins jersey with matching burgandy sweats to sport a nice or not-so-nice Uni-Tard look. Plus Superbowl XXVI Champs Zubazz hat. Also had cool Buffolo Bills old school cap designed to look exactly like the old white helmets with center stripe and all. Best part of the hat is it’s pre-logo creep era. Have fun, I’ll be there in spirit.

    I know we talked a little bit about that guy who was getting an exact replica of Tom Brady’s helmet tattooed on his scalp… but I didn’t know if it was mentioned that he is also getting the green dot radio identifier on his skull as well.

    Also, does anyone know when the Super Bowl XLIII logo comes out? I know we talked last year about the guy who designs them about a year in advance.

    [quote comment=”204268″]“Instead of just saying ‘to hell with it’ and razing the place and making the Phantoms and KiXX play on Thursday nights.

    “In short, it ain’t gonna happen.”[/quote]

    What about Friday, Saturday and Sunday? Trust me, part of the new agreement will be a privately financed $150 million, 12.5K arena. That is what makes the Phantoms special. They are litterally across the parking lot from the big team.

    Apparently a man was arrested for taping a Packers jersey to his seven-year-old son for last week’s game.

    [quote comment=”204301″][quote comment=”204268″]“Instead of just saying ‘to hell with it’ and razing the place and making the Phantoms and KiXX play on Thursday nights.

    “In short, it ain’t gonna happen.”[/quote]

    What about Friday, Saturday and Sunday?[/quote]

    Uh, the Flyers and 76ers and the actual events that generate lots of revenue get those dates? Do you have any idea how this all works?

    [quote]
    Trust me, part of the new agreement will be a privately financed $150 million, 12.5K arena. [/quote]

    Well, that would be great, because the Spectrum has not aged well. Privately-financed, fine. But that just seems really, really strange to me.

    [quote]That is what makes the Phantoms special. They are litterally across the parking lot from the big team.[/quote]

    And they’ll be across the parking lot whether there’s a new building or not, won’t they?

    Let me tell you. As a life-long Washingtonian the Nat’s uni’s STINK. For the life of Washington baseball, until 1967, we were a blue team. I hated the Red hats in ’68 and I hate them now. We need Blue hats only. The Curly W is fine, but let’s go old school Washington and put the Curly W on the left breast, number on lower right, Washington on the road uni in the same script as the W.

    RE: Notre Dame Letter Sweater- check out the difference between the interlocked “ND” on the old sweater, compared to a current logo. Look at the lower right portion. I like the old one better

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